Ottawa Bypass Corridor

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Or, a new freeway from the 417 connecting to that area. Start thinking like a city and not like a little village. A freeway to the bridge on both sides to existing freeways are needed.

You mean think like a 1970's city not a 2020's city.

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Removing the existing freeway is not going to make the city traffic flow better.

That's an extra benefit. More congestion means more transit use.

[Tesladom]

If NCC would ever allow it, this is the most logical 417-416



https://ibb.co/2vkLLxL

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by acottawa

But it doesn't get heavily congested throughout the day. Just looking at google now, at 3 pm it takes 20 minutes to travel 32 km, that is a 90 kph average speed. It may get briefly congested from about 4:30-5:30 or there might be construction or accident related congestion, but it is not normally in a congested state.

3 pm is not a metric. Try 5 pm.

Originally Posted by roger1818

You mean think like a 1970's city not a 2020's city.

The amount of money needed to build this bypass would be much smaller than the amount of transit needed to actually mitigate the need for the bypass. Having said that, there is a need for more transit, so keep building. And don't build any more BRT. It is not 2020s transit for Ottawa, it is 1980s....

Originally Posted by roger1818

That's an extra benefit. More congestion means more transit use.

Sure, if Ottawa had a reliable and extensive system that would be a good idea. Ottawa has neither,

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Tesladom

If NCC would ever allow it, this is the most logical 417-416



https://ibb.co/2vkLLxL

I suggested that and everyone told me to get it out of the green belt.

[roger1818]

Since we are in Fantasy Land, one bypass that might make sense would be if a Kettle Island Bridge were to be built, a southern connection from the 416 to the eastern 417 to allow trucks (and cars) traveling north on the 416 to bypass downtown for a direct connection to the new bridge.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by roger1818

Since we are in Fantasy Land, one bypass that might make sense would be if a Kettle Island Bridge were to be built, a southern connection from the 416 to the eastern 417 to allow trucks (and cars) traveling north on the 416 to bypass downtown for a direct connection to the new bridge.

With the various problems with using Kettle Island,it would be better to move it further east.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

3 pm is not a metric. Try 5 pm.

Yes, I noted in my post that there would be a brief period of congestion for rush hour. Your earlier post said it was congested "throughout the day," which is demonstrably false. You don't build a bypass for a road that is congested for 90 minutes a day, particularly since the miniscule amount of potential bypass traffic has no particular reason to be hitting Ottawa in that 90 minute period.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

With the various problems with using Kettle Island,it would be better to move it further east.

There are no problems with Kettle Island that wouldn't also be problems further East.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

The amount of money needed to build this bypass would be much smaller than the amount of transit needed to actually mitigate the need for the bypass. Having said that, there is a need for more transit, so keep building. And don't build any more BRT. It is not 2020s transit for Ottawa, it is 1980s....

There is no need for a bypass to mitigate.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Yes, I noted in my post that there would be a brief period of congestion for rush hour. Your earlier post said it was congested "throughout the day," which is demonstrably false. You don't build a bypass for a road that is congested for 90 minutes a day, particularly since the miniscule amount of potential bypass traffic has no particular reason to be hitting Ottawa in that 90 minute period.

Originally Posted by acottawa

There is no need for a bypass to mitigate.

So every time I drive there, those slowdowns are my imagination?

Originally Posted by acottawa

There are no problems with Kettle Island that wouldn't also be problems further East.

The FN land claims exist all the way down the river?

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Don't know about the other villages, but Richmond and Manotick have seen significant growth in the past 15 years.

I was going to say, he must not have driven through Richmond in recent years.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

So every time I drive there, those slowdowns are my imagination?



The FN land claims exist all the way down the river?

The slowdown can be mitigated if and when MTO pushes the 8 lanes all the way to the canal. Sadly there’s one spot where 8-landing isn’t possible and will always create a bottleneck though.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

The slowdown can be mitigated if and when MTO pushes the 8 lanes all the way to the canal. Sadly there’s one spot where 8-landing isn’t possible and will always create a bottleneck though.

And that is why a bypass is needed.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

And that is why a bypass is needed.

The most I can get behind is ROW designation. If the bottleneck is really bad, it just means that it's time to really sit down and fix the LRT's, even if it means making some incompetent people find other jobs.
Even I don't see Ottawa having hopeless gridlock on the 417 at 6 pm any time soon. This is not Toronto after all.
A freeway connection to Gatineau on the west and/or east end makes more sense priority-wise.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

So every time I drive there, those slowdowns are my imagination?



The FN land claims exist all the way down the river?

I don't know how many times you drive through Ottawa, but unless you are timing your trips to hit rush hour or are driving through during times of construction (fairly frequently lately as they have been widening the highway) then I can only think they are your imagination, or your definition of "slowdown" is not being able to speed excessively.

Yes, there are FN land claims all the way down the river. The Brown on this map is the area of the Algonquin land claim.

https://www.ontario.ca/page/map-ontario-treaties-and-reserves

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

The slowdown can be mitigated if and when MTO pushes the 8 lanes all the way to the canal. Sadly there’s one spot where 8-landing isn’t possible and will always create a bottleneck though.

I am not sure it is a bottleneck. Eastbound a lot of traffic exits and at Rochester, Bronson and Kent and isn't really replaced until O'Connor, at which point it is back at 4 lanes. Eastbound it is only 3 lanes between the Metcalfe exit and O'Connor entrance, which again balance each other out pretty well.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by acottawa

I am not sure it is a bottleneck. Eastbound a lot of traffic exits and at Rochester, Bronson and Kent and isn't really replaced until O'Connor, at which point it is back at 4 lanes. Eastbound it is only 3 lanes between the Metcalfe exit and O'Connor entrance, which again balance each other out pretty well.

Okay, as long as traffic pattern stays that way more or less, bob’s our uncle.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

The most I can get behind is ROW designation. If the bottleneck is really bad, it just means that it's time to really sit down and fix the LRT's, even if it means making some incompetent people find other jobs.
Even I don't see Ottawa having hopeless gridlock on the 417 at 6 pm any time soon. This is not Toronto after all.
A freeway connection to Gatineau on the west and/or east end makes more sense priority-wise.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1UK_J7umHSwHHOxdKbP2CNjdQ43udDyI&usp=sharing

There, now it has something. It would make sense to come off there.

Originally Posted by acottawa

I don't know how many times you drive through Ottawa, but unless you are timing your trips to hit rush hour or are driving through during times of construction (fairly frequently lately as they have been widening the highway) then I can only think they are your imagination, or your definition of "slowdown" is not being able to speed excessively.

Yes, there are FN land claims all the way down the river. The Brown on this map is the area of the Algonquin land claim.

https://www.ontario.ca/page/map-ontario-treaties-and-reserves

I drive through/around the city about every 2-3months. Before the pandemic, I used to visit Toronto much more than Ottawa, bu since the pandemic, Ottawa is a regular for me.

[Harley613]

We have the perfect ring route available right now, but certain developments will make it untenable very soon if it's not acted upon. I like public transit and pipe dreams about never building a new highway in a region that didn't have enough highways 20 years ago when it had less than 1 million inhabitants, and that will soon have over 2 million inhabitants, but we have to face reality. The current highways won't even be sufficient for goods and services alone soon, not to mention commuters.

[swimmer_spe]

That looks good.