East Village Rejuvenation Plan

[The Fisher Account]

Is the crappy gas station going anywhere/going to be replaced?

[Chadillaccc]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Is the crappy gas station going anywhere/going to be replaced?

Eventually, definitely. Let's get the parking lots filled before we start trying to tear down more lots that actually already have stuff on them.


Amazing to hear that Verve has their DP finally! So this summer we'll have 800 people moving into First and Fuse+Evolution Lowrise, next spring will have another 350 moving into Pulse, and summer 2017 we'll have 400 moving into Verve and hopefully another 200 into East Village Tower that same year

Also read in a magazine that CMLC is still expecting the RioCan retail block to go ahead this summer.

[*Stardust*]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Eventually, definitely. Let's get the parking lots filled before we start trying to tear down more lots that actually already have stuff on them.


Amazing to hear that Verve has their DP finally! So this summer we'll have 800 people moving into First and Fuse+Evolution Lowrise, next spring will have another 350 moving into Pulse, and summer 2017 we'll have 400 moving into Verve and hopefully another 200 into East Village Tower that same year

Also read in a magazine that CMLC is still expecting the RioCan retail block to go ahead this summer.

RioCan with the towers or no?

[Chadillaccc]

I could see them starting sales on the towers, but considering the original plan didn't even include towers and the fact that the shopping centre has already signed their two anchor tenants, they will probably just proceed with the retail portion. By the time the retail portion is topped out, at least one of the condo towers is likely to have reached enough sales to proceed with construction anyways.

[mwalker_mw]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Is the crappy gas station going anywhere/going to be replaced?

That crappy gas station has both routinely cheap gas and is full-service - not to mention being an interesting old building (complete with doors that open the wrong way for guaranteed death during a fire and endless embarrassment as after 5 years I still keep walking into it).

Leave my gas station alone dammit...

Haven't figured out if the guy who runs it owns the building/land or not... anyone know?

[CorporateWhore]

Yeah, nothing wrong with having a functioning and quirky little independent gas-station in the inner city. Not everything has to be an artisanal bakery or yoga studio.

[Surrealplaces]

Originally Posted by CorporateWhore

Yeah, nothing wrong with having a functioning and quirky little independent gas-station in the inner city. Not everything has to be an artisanal bakery or yoga studio.

Yep, it's the only gas Station around that area. I'm good with it.

As much as I like the whole East Village redevelopment, I wish there were a few more smaller, independent buildings scattered around the area....I would like to see the finished neighbourhood have a more 'organically grown' feel to it.

[hulkrogan]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Eventually, definitely. Let's get the parking lots filled before we start trying to tear down more lots that actually already have stuff on them.


Amazing to hear that Verve has their DP finally! So this summer we'll have 800 people moving into First and Fuse+Evolution Lowrise, next spring will have another 350 moving into Pulse, and summer 2017 we'll have 400 moving into Verve and hopefully another 200 into East Village Tower that same year

Also read in a magazine that CMLC is still expecting the RioCan retail block to go ahead this summer.

Not to be the porcupine at a balloon party...

But I bet what you see under construction now will be about it for a while. I'd imagine there are going to be quite a few people walking away from deposits in the near term, overall softening of prices and Calgary's population numbers are sure to stumble a bit.

The question is just for how long. I hope not long. Something like the 90s where it's a good 10 years until we see any major construction would suck.

Not sure on what condo numbers are looking like, but the market is being flooded with Class A office space at near the price of service and there is still no one picking it up.

[WhipperSnapper]

Don't know a single developer that would let people walk away from their deposits. They will sue. Things would have to take a major dive for purchasers to go through with it.

[lubicon]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Don't know a single developer that would let people walk away from their deposits. They will sue. Things would have to take a major dive for purchasers to go through with it.

One of the dads on my son's hockey team this season works for a home builder and this is a very worrisome item for them at the moment. They are petrified of buyers simply walking away from their deposits if they perceive that home prices are dropping far enough to make it worthwhile. I think one of the things they have done is to increase the deposit which seems a little counter intuitive but I guess it makes sense. Granted this is for SFH, maybe the condo business is different.

[red_179]

Originally Posted by lubicon

One of the dads on my son's hockey team this season works for a home builder and this is a very worrisome item for them at the moment. They are petrified of buyers simply walking away from their deposits if they perceive that home prices are dropping far enough to make it worthwhile. I think one of the things they have done is to increase the deposit which seems a little counter intuitive but I guess it makes sense. Granted this is for SFH, maybe the condo business is different.

People that walk away from their deposits play a very risky game. The deposit is not the full extent of damages that the builder/developer can have against a purchaser that defaults on their purchase contract. If the builder/developer can't sell the unit at the same price, then they can sue the original purchaser for the difference in the purchase price, along with all carrying costs of the property until they can find a new buyer.

[Ramsayfarian]

Originally Posted by CorporateWhore

Yeah, nothing wrong with having a functioning and quirky little independent gas-station in the inner city. Not everything has to be an artisanal bakery or yoga studio.

Nice to see a bunch of support for that gas station. I used to be a regular customer there until I got a car with a turbo and need to run premium. Those guys are the last original business left in the East Village and have endured plenty of hardship due to road closures and construction. Forcing them to leave, would be a shitty move.

When I used to be a customer, I was talking to one of the guys there about how the there didn't seem to be as many crackheads around. Guy told me that they spent years asking the City to do something to no avail. Once the East Village started to come together the cops had the area cleaned up in a couple of days.

[UofC.engineer]

Originally Posted by Ramsayfarian

Nice to see a bunch of support for that gas station. I used to be a regular customer there until I got a car with a turbo and need to run premium. Those guys are the last original business left in the East Village and have endured plenty of hardship due to road closures and construction. Forcing them to leave, would be a shitty move.

When I used to be a customer, I was talking to one of the guys there about how the there didn't seem to be as many crackheads around. Guy told me that they spent years asking the City to do something to no avail. Once the East Village started to come together the cops had the area cleaned up in a couple of days.

I think that area of 8th ave was dubbed "Crack cul-de-sac" not too long ago.

I am really interested to see how the neighborhood progresses with the two homeless shelters close by. Will the future residents of east village and the homeless population live in harmony? Will the residents demand the homeless shelters close/relocate? Can the homeless shelters even be repurposed!?

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

At Suburbia's neighbourhood community centre.

Nope - our community centre is electronic fob accessible only.

[suburbia]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Is the crappy gas station going anywhere/going to be replaced?

Originally Posted by mwalker_mw

... interesting old building (complete with doors that open the wrong way for guaranteed death during a fire and endless embarrassment as after 5 years I still keep walking into it).

Agreed. It sets the tone for that entire portion of the core.

[speedog]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Eventually, definitely. Let's get the parking lots filled before we start trying to tear down more lots that actually already have stuff on them.

Because podiums like St. Johns on 10th Street are apparently filling up so quickly. We need quirky places like that gas station but alas they'll all eventually disappear - 10th Street is a good example of quirky places disappearing, before long it will be but a shadow of it's former quirky self. 10th Street will just feel like a slightly different version of what one can wander past in Chinook Centre or Market Mall. Blah.

[Calgarian]

Originally Posted by UofC.engineer

I think that area of 8th ave was dubbed "Crack cul-de-sac" not too long ago.

Yup, I remember being fascinated watching the crackheads and junkies there from the Ctrain when I was going to SAIT in 2002, definitely had a "Hastings & Main" vibe to it.

I am really interested to see how the neighborhood progresses with the two homeless shelters close by. Will the future residents of east village and the homeless population live in harmony? Will the residents demand the homeless shelters close/relocate? Can the homeless shelters even be repurposed!?

I have been wondering this for a while, I bet the DIC will move eventually, though I have no idea where but that land is way too valuable for a homeless shelter. Not sure about the Salvation Army, that land will be pretty valuable at some point too.

[The Fisher Account]

Never a popular opinion, but the sooner the DIC can be moved, the better for the EV

[Spring2008]

If they get a good enough offer for the site, can see the city willing to move this elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Calgarian

I have been wondering this for a while, I bet the DIC will move eventually, though I have no idea where but that land is way too valuable for a homeless shelter. Not sure about the Salvation Army, that land will be pretty valuable at some point too.

[Tropics]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Never a popular opinion, but the sooner the DIC can be moved, the better for the EV

TBPH I think that "is" the popular opinion, even if many people refrain from voicing it out loud.