Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International Airport (YOW/CYOW) 1.0

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by Stacmon

Thanks very much and I look forward to anything you might learn/post!

In addition to the California/Las Vegas destinations you mentioned, which would be probably the biggest US interest for me, I would love to see Denver, Nashville and/or Atlanta. Those would all "fill in the gaps" we have in large swaths of the U.S., especially if we manage to get a few Western or Southwestern destinations too!

Those would be nice. I will for sure be using California and Vegas routes if they are a thing. I'd also use Phoenix or direct to Miami instead of Fort Lauderdale as well. Here's a fun game, look at their potential route map and count how many potential destinations are hubs for AA. Possible codeshare with AA? That's the dream.

[Stacmon]

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

Those would be nice. I will for sure be using California and Vegas routes if they are a thing. I'd also use Phoenix or direct to Miami instead of Fort Lauderdale as well. Here's a fun game, look at their potential route map and count how many potential destinations are hubs for AA. Possible codeshare with AA? That's the dream.

Speaking of American Airlines, I would be really enthusiastic about that too, especially having a linkage to an airline alliance that isn't the Star Alliance. Star Alliance is definitely my favourite and preferred way to travel for many reasons (including but not limited to Air Canada's coverage in our own country), but being connected in some way to another major Alliance even if it is just code sharing and not as an actual member, would give us some kind of alternative if we need one (some people's personal or work situations may make a Porter/AA combination much better for frequent trips).

Ultimately a lot left to discover!

On the other post about a delay in certification, I really hope that this isn't held up for a reason like that or if it is, that the delay doesn't last very long and doesn't substantially impact Porter's planned roll out of new routes!

[Dominion301]

Today’s departure count: 60

Today’s cancellation count (so far): 0 - did not end up being 0 yesterday

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by Stacmon

Speaking of American Airlines, I would be really enthusiastic about that too, especially having a linkage to an airline alliance that isn't the Star Alliance. Star Alliance is definitely my favourite and preferred way to travel for many reasons (including but not limited to Air Canada's coverage in our own country), but being connected in some way to another major Alliance even if it is just code sharing and not as an actual member, would give us some kind of alternative if we need one (some people's personal or work situations may make a Porter/AA combination much better for frequent trips).

Ultimately a lot left to discover!

On the other post about a delay in certification, I really hope that this isn't held up for a reason like that or if it is, that the delay doesn't last very long and doesn't substantially impact Porter's planned roll out of new routes!

To be honest, I personally would only be using Porter/AA for travel as apposed to AC or WS. I'd rather support the airlines that have focused on YOW (Porter) because we will be getting future direct routes from them, not from the ones that se YOW as a feeder. It would make travel to Pacific destinations (Hawaii, Australia, etc) much easier and quicker (provided they time the flights well). Going with AC via Vancouver for these destinations is a literal triangle, so going through SFO or LAX instead would cut travel time. I also think a direct to Chicago-O'Hare would be access to a very very very important hub.

About the certification, 2-3 weeks ago the Porter CEO said everything is still on track, but also mentioned they are in the later stages of finishing that certification so although they are close to done, it's still not done.

[MountainView]

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

To be honest, I personally would only be using Porter/AA for travel as apposed to AC or WS. I'd rather support the airlines that have focused on YOW (Porter) because we will be getting future direct routes from them, not from the ones that se YOW as a feeder. It would make travel to Pacific destinations (Hawaii, Australia, etc) much easier and quicker (provided they time the flights well). Going with AC via Vancouver for these destinations is a literal triangle, so going through SFO or LAX instead would cut travel time. I also think a direct to Chicago-O'Hare would be access to a very very very important hub.

About the certification, 2-3 weeks ago the Porter CEO said everything is still on track, but also mentioned they are in the later stages of finishing that certification so although they are close to done, it's still not done.

Would it?? Not by as much as you would think:

YOW-YVR-HNL is 4,274 nautical miles (nm)
YOW-SFO-HNL is 4,210 nm

YOW-YVR-SYD is 6,741 nm
YOW-SFO-SYD is 6,445 nm

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by MountainView

Would it?? Not by as much as you would think:

YOW-YVR-HNL is 4,274 nautical miles (nm)
YOW-SFO-HNL is 4,210 nm

YOW-YVR-SYD is 6,741 nm
YOW-SFO-SYD is 6,445 nm

I should have put a disclaimer that I don't know what the distance difference is. I'm going off of what I see on travel sites with similar layover times. I've seen differences of about 1.5-2 hours if going through SFO (from YYZ of course because there is no such option from YOW without more than 1 plane change).

[Dominion301]

Today’s departure count: 67

Today’s cancellation count: 2

Back in June AC 355 YOW-YYC made the avherald: https://avherald.com/h?article=4fb43729&opt=0

[Dominion301]

Today’s departure count: 57

Today’s cancellation count: 1

[Zmonkey]

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

I should have put a disclaimer that I don't know what the distance difference is. I'm going off of what I see on travel sites with similar layover times. I've seen differences of about 1.5-2 hours if going through SFO (from YYZ of course because there is no such option from YOW without more than 1 plane change).

One thing to note is, that connecting in the USA is much worse vs connecting in Canada if you are going international.
Especially clearing customs on way home state side.
Once you have done it a couple times, you try to avoid it as much as possible.

[Dominion301]

Sunday’s departure count: 65

Sunday’s cancellation count (so far): 0

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by Zmonkey

One thing to note is, that connecting in the USA is much worse vs connecting in Canada if you are going international.
Especially clearing customs on way home state side.
Once you have done it a couple times, you try to avoid it as much as possible.

Very true about the Canada-USA-International route. But it will be much easier to clear customs in YOW if your final destination is US if you have to use a Porter route to the US then connect there. I've done YOW-YYZ-HNL and believe me it's a pain. If the flight out of YOW is delayed even by 30 minutes, chances are you're scrambling in YYZ to clear customs (speaking from experience and of course depending on the connection time, mine was 1 hour and 40 minutes). Hopefully they have a codeshare with AA in the works.

[AuxTown]

Clearing customs in Ottawa will always be desirable to doing it in a larger Canadian airport. Our US customs is so chill in comparison. Hence my YOW-EWR-ORD plans for next week. Here's hoping EWR has more of their shit figured out compared to YYZ.....can't be much worse I guess!

[MountainView]

Originally Posted by AuxTown

Clearing customs in Ottawa will always be desirable to doing it in a larger Canadian airport. Our US customs is so chill in comparison. Hence my YOW-EWR-ORD plans for next week. Here's hoping EWR has more of their shit figured out compared to YYZ.....can't be much worse I guess!

Are you on the ~6 am departure to EWR? I've noticed it's rarely delayed... and surprisingly the late morning departure has been fairly consistent as well.

Also, I am assuming you mean MCO (Orlando)... and not ORD (which is Chicago O'Hare). Have a fun trip!

[AuxTown]

Originally Posted by MountainView

Are you on the ~6 am departure to EWR? I've noticed it's rarely delayed... and surprisingly the late morning departure has been fairly consistent as well.

Also, I am assuming you mean MCO (Orlando)... and not ORD (which is Chicago O'Hare). Have a fun trip!

Exactly, 6am flight. I was toying with swapping to the YOW-ORD-MCO route which is why I had ORD on the brain!

[Dominion301]

Today’s departure count: 65

Today’s cancellation count (so far): 1

[MountainView]

Originally Posted by AuxTown

Exactly, 6am flight. I was toying with swapping to the YOW-ORD-MCO route which is why I had ORD on the brain!

I'm sure you've looked into this, but there is a United shuttle connection from the A terminal pier to the B and C terminals.

You're likely to land in the A terminal (where the smaller reginal jets go) and depart to MCO in C terminal. Just hop on the shuttle and it'll take you right over to your departing flight without having to leave & reenter security (you can stay airside).

[AuxTown]

Originally Posted by MountainView

I'm sure you've looked into this, but there is a United shuttle connection from the A terminal pier to the B and C terminals.

You're likely to land in the A terminal (where the smaller reginal jets go) and depart to MCO in C terminal. Just hop on the shuttle and it'll take you right over to your departing flight without having to leave & reenter security (you can stay airside).

I actually haven't looked into it recently but we did similar 13 years ago for our honeymoon in Aruba. All I remember is the 90 minute layover MELTED and they were calling us overhead. I expect nothing less this time!

[YOWflier]

Porter has tweeted about an additional 20 firm E2s (30 prior + 20 = 50). Specific mention of Pearson in the tweet, so safe to assume (most/all of) those 20 frames will be YYZ-based, leaving the initial 30 for other “hubs”.

https://twitter.com/porterairlines/status/1549370991603752960?s=21&t=6QHqsitMelbx022T5jULQA

[MountainView]

Originally Posted by FlyYOW

Porter has tweeted about an additional 20 firm E2s (30 prior + 20 = 50). Specific mention of Pearson in the tweet, so safe to assume (most/all of) those 20 frames will be YYZ-based, leaving the initial 30 for other “hubs”.

https://twitter.com/porterairlines/status/1549370991603752960?s=21&t=6QHqsitMelbx022T5jULQA

It must be Farnborough International Airshow time!

What is interesting is that the job postings for the E2 aircraft are all YYZ-based with other locations "TBC" (to be confirmed). This has not changed since their initial announcement of this aircraft type order.

[MountainView]

More info:

Farnborough – Embraer announced today, July 19, at the Farnborough International Airshow, that Canadian Porter Airlines has placed a firm order for 20 more E195-E2 commercial jets, in addition to the existing 30 firm orders. Porter will use the E195-E2 to extend its award-winning service to destinations across North America.

The agreement, valued at US$1.56 billion, brings Porter's orders to Embraer to a total of up to 100 E195-E2 aircraft, with 50 firm orders and 50 purchase rights.

In 2021, Porter ordered 30 Embraer E195-E2 jets, with the right to purchase another 50 aircraft, worth US$5.82 billion, if all options are exercised.

Porter intends to deploy the E195-E2s to popular business and leisure destinations across Canada, the United States, Mexico and the Caribbean, departing from Ottawa, Montreal, Halifax and Toronto – Pearson International Airport.

First delivery to Porter and entry into service is scheduled for the second half of 2022. The E195-E2 seats between 120 and 146 passengers. Setup plans for Porter's E2s will be revealed soon.

Michael Deluce, President and CEO of Porter Airlines said: “Embraer has an aircraft that has proven itself to be the best in environmental efficiency, operational performance and passenger comfort. We are in final preparations to introduce the E195-E2 to North America, joining other global airlines that already benefit from its use. The aircraft will become essential to our fleet as Porter is reshaping passenger expectations for air travel in the same way we did more than 15 years ago. We will soon announce details on our initial routes, onboard products and other details.”

Arjan Meijer, President and CEO of Embraer Commercial Aviation, said: “Porter Airlines' ambition to grow, while providing an enhanced passenger experience, is expected to impact the industry in North America. With 50 E2s now on firm order, Porter is poised to make an impressive debut as a North American launch customer for the E195-E2. Its commitment to add 20 jets shortly after its first order demonstrates the unbeatable performance and results of the E2 family, the quietest and most economical aircraft in the segment. The E195-E2 also emits 25% less carbon than previous generation aircraft.”

Another 20 aircraft are ordered from Embraer by the largest customer of the E195-E2, worth US$ 1.5 billion