Edmonton Construction 9 (2008-08) - Page 421

Coldrsx · #**8401** Posted **Oct 9, 2009, 8:34 PM**

^from that report a nice EPCOR image:

newfangled · #**8402** Posted **Oct 9, 2009, 8:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Just a reminder for everyone to check out newf's initiative:

http://dedmonton.com/

great work by the way!

Thanks Cold.

I should probably mention:

Miss dEdmonton Finals are next Tuesday the 13th at 6:66PM in the Arts Barns. Admission is free, and all are welcome to come cheer on the contestants. (the videos are at www.youtube.com/dEdmontonchf)

Next Thursday the 15th is the start of DEDfest: Hellberta's Horror Festival. It's running through the weekend in the metro at the citadel. Lesbian Vampire Killers, Nazi Zombies from Norway, Vampire Girl vs Frankenstein Girl from Japan, a movie that made its own editor throw up, local shorts, and Night of the Living Dead cartoonified.

And next Friday the photogs might be interested in the River City Zombie Committee's Zombie Prom II. Starting at Gazebo Park at 7:00, and wandering down Whyte Ave on a Friday night right around exam time. Should be interesting. We're also doing a makeup workshop in the Arts Barns starting at 5:00, so people who don't know how to become a zombie can become one and be part of the walk. So Zombies on Whyte, Zombies on the LRT, and eventually Zombies on Jasper. I'm bringing my camera and hoping my fingers don't fall off.

Airboy · #**8403** Posted **Oct 9, 2009, 8:45 PM**

Ahh one less parking lot.

4th is turning into one interesting (in a good way) street.

oiler-dude · #**8404** Posted **Oct 9, 2009, 9:42 PM**

If we can do office towers with glass, why the hell can't we do residential towers with glass?

As a serious question, is it actually harder / more expensive to do residential towers with curtain wall ala Epcor? I'm fairly new with this kind of stuff.

Coldrsx · #**8405** Posted **Oct 9, 2009, 9:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by oiler-dude

If we can do office towers with glass, why the hell can't we do residential towers with glass?

As a serious question, is it actually harder / more expensive to do residential towers with curtain wall ala Epcor? I'm fairly new with this kind of stuff.

not harder if you have the right trades available

cost is more

newfangled · #**8406** Posted **Oct 9, 2009, 9:50 PM**

A question for Ken though:

has the % of spandrel vs glazing been increased?

In that new rendering the 5 storey box to the back (south) looks like it has the same curtain wall as was shown in the original renderings.

The rest of the building looks different though - less transparent and more like Bell/CWB/ING?

Coldrsx · #**8407** Posted **Oct 9, 2009, 9:52 PM**

one thing i am surprised about though is that EPCOR will not be displayed on all 4 sides at the top.

newfangled · #**8408** Posted **Oct 9, 2009, 9:57 PM**

^ and actually, if someone can explain what's going on with the zeppelin masts at the top? It looks like one is centred on the top, and the other one is...hovering off the SW corner? The angle makes it confusing, but they can't be mirrored E/W like they were originally.

feepa · #**8409** Posted **Oct 9, 2009, 10:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spring2008

I can't believe you guys are wasting my time again, have a big turkey dinner coming up.

Calgary population
1970-385,436
2009-1,065,455

Population gain 680,019

http://www.calgary.ca/DocGallery/BU/cityclerks/city.pdf

Edmonton population
1970-429,750
2009-782,439

Population gain-352,689

http://www.edmonton.ca/business/documents/InfraPlan/Edmonton_Population_Historical(1).pdf

680,019 vs. 352,689- Once again Calgary dominates, Edmonton's increase in population has been minimal over the past 40 years and mainly comes from natural increase almost every year.

You're only wasting your own time, using useless figures. Remembering that Edmonton now has bedroom communities that total nearly 400,000 people, and Calgary has barely any bedroom communities...
By the same margin of error, if you just put Vancouver proper up against Calgary, Calgary would win. But we all know what the truth is. The CMA means a lot more, unless your a unicitizen... like Calgarians are. Try using the CMA numbers, and you'll find it very similar.

Edmonton CMA: 1,104,919
Calgary CMA: 1,263,447

Once again, Calgarians don't really know what they are talking about... Edmonton's CMA growth has basically kept pace with Calgary's CMA... Sure, Calgary has grown slightly faster... but both are still very comparable....

Thanks for playing. You lose.

oiler-dude · #**8410** Posted **Oct 10, 2009, 12:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

not harder if you have the right trades available

cost is more

Thanks Cold.

ue · #**8411** Posted **Oct 10, 2009, 4:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

thanks to a certain someone from ssp for providing these...

Melcor's new little infill, LOVE IT!

Not bad, overall I like it, except that moss crap on it dangling down, which is similar to the BC leg.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spring2008

I can't believe you guys are wasting my time again, have a big turkey dinner coming up.

Calgary population
1970-385,436
2009-1,065,455

Population gain 680,019

http://www.calgary.ca/DocGallery/BU/cityclerks/city.pdf

Edmonton population
1970-429,750
2009-782,439

Population gain-352,689

http://www.edmonton.ca/business/documents/InfraPlan/Edmonton_Population_Historical(1).pdf

680,019 vs. 352,689- Once again Calgary dominates, Edmonton's increase in population has been minimal over the past 40 years and mainly comes from natural increase almost every year.

Edmonton grew a lot in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s, (I guess 80s too?), and Calgary grew a lot from tye 70s onwards.

Cow-garian · #**8412** Posted **Oct 10, 2009, 4:49 AM**

I'm LOVING the render of the Epcor Tower on the first page! it might not be tall but damn.... it looks sexy as heck!

Kevin_foster · #**8413** Posted **Oct 10, 2009, 5:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by newfangled

A question for Ken though:

has the % of spandrel vs glazing been increased?

In that new rendering the 5 storey box to the back (south) looks like it has the same curtain wall as was shown in the original renderings.

The rest of the building looks different though - less transparent and more like Bell/CWB/ING?

It almost looks as if the entire building is on a rise. Something is wrong with that rendering :/

wco · #**8414** Posted **Oct 10, 2009, 6:27 AM**

If you look closely, the new rendering has been superimposed over the original rendering. Kind of a cheap way of doing things. IMO of course. Pay special attention to the spires and you will see it, also the base and west side of the tower.

Keats82 · #**8415** Posted **Oct 10, 2009, 6:53 AM**

^ Ah yes, so it is. You can also see a sliver of the original rendering on the right hand side. Odd.

wco · #**8416** Posted **Oct 10, 2009, 6:57 AM**

^Not odd, as it was deliberate, the question would be why?

newfangled · #**8417** Posted **Oct 10, 2009, 4:55 PM**

^ good catch. That explains the weirdness at the top.

The amount of spandrel panel has definitely increased though, from about 25% in the early renderings to 50% now.

Which gets back to oiler-dude's question about curtainwall.

Even though Manulife is well regarded, it's only 1/3 window:

All of our office towers are like that, although most are closer to the 50% range, but comparing that to a condo tower is apples and oranges.

Coldrsx · #**8418** Posted **Oct 10, 2009, 6:20 PM**

^correct... many modern condos that use curtain wall are upwards of 60-70+% glazing.

Spring2008 · #**8419** Posted **Oct 11, 2009, 12:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by feepa

You're only wasting your own time, using useless figures. Remembering that Edmonton now has bedroom communities that total nearly 400,000 people, and Calgary has barely any bedroom communities...
By the same margin of error, if you just put Vancouver proper up against Calgary, Calgary would win. But we all know what the truth is. The CMA means a lot more, unless your a unicitizen... like Calgarians are. Try using the CMA numbers, and you'll find it very similar.

Edmonton CMA: 1,104,919
Calgary CMA: 1,263,447

Once again, Calgarians don't really know what they are talking about... Edmonton's CMA growth has basically kept pace with Calgary's CMA... Sure, Calgary has grown slightly faster... but both are still very comparable....

Thanks for playing. You lose.

Vancouver's a way different story. The surrounding communities are all directly attached to the city and are very dense. Even places like Burnaby and Richmond are largely more urbanized than Edmonton.

The city of Edmonton is already so spread out as is. I don't see how growth in Redwater, Gibbons and 30+ other hicktowns that are included in Edmonton's CMA really add to the cities urban experience, but hey you guys are always right so.

Perhaps st. Albert and Sherwood park do to a certain extent, but mainly only add more traffic during rush hour.

Keats82 · #**8420** Posted **Oct 11, 2009, 2:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by wco

^Not odd, as it was deliberate, the question would be why?

Mmm..I knew it was deliberate, as it hsa been made available for us to all critique it.

I'm assuming it was hastily done, and they didn't have the original image of the city from that viewpoint, and someone said "well, looks like we'll have to do this..".