[Halifax] Monaghan Square (3000 Monaghan) | 99, 2X54 M | 33, 2x17 FL | Proposed

[ArchAficionado]

Originally Posted by Keith P.

Article by Jen Taplin in the Herald today about this proposal:

https://www.saltwire.com/nova-scotia/hal...han-tower-building-development-peninsula

Has a good recap of what has already been posted but with the extra added attraction of a number of “the sky is falling!” complaints from neighbors.

I think those who voice that the city needs to consider a growth / upgrade to recreational facilities do have a point - these dense new neighborhoods need to have attractive amenities to not end up becoming unpleasant places to live in the long run.

That being said, the "it's too tall" is really becoming quite tiresome. Why the shock and horror at 52 stories? I always repeat this fact, but if a building exceeds about 15 stories in height, it may as well extend to infinity, as that makes no practical difference in feel or street presence.

[worldlyhaligonian]

Originally Posted by terrynorthend

Meh. The same old same old crowd. It's cringey to listen to them, but they are mostly ineffective these days.

Indeed, yet 'infrastructure' is now their new term in obstructionism.

The irony - without significant population... infrastructure is less economically viable.

They think they are smart, but it actually shows how little education they have.

If they mean electrical... The article explains the plans. The power outages in HRM have nothing to to with population, they have to do with NS Power's refusal to property modernize/fix what electrical infrastructure exists and underground going forward.

They are just lying and thinking its slick.

There should be a plan to build LRT on Robie, as it just makes sense as the empty swaths of land are developed for people's homes. And yes, towers are homes!

[worldlyhaligonian]

Originally Posted by ArchAficionado

I think those who voice that the city needs to consider a growth / upgrade to recreational facilities do have a point - these dense new neighborhoods need to have attractive amenities to not end up becoming unpleasant places to live in the long run.

That being said, the "it's too tall" is really becoming quite tiresome. Why the shock and horror at 52 stories? I always repeat this fact, but if a building exceeds about 15 stories in height, it may as well extend to infinity, as that makes no practical difference in feel or street presence.

That's the kicker - there is no actual reason why 52 stories is too tall. It's a random normative judgement. Other excuses in different parts of the city can't be used here, so they just operate on vibes.

Meanwhile, they are implicated in the overall lack of supply. Shame on them.

[OldDartmouthMark]

Originally Posted by archaficionado

i think those who voice that the city needs to consider a growth / upgrade to recreational facilities do have a point - these dense new neighborhoods need to have attractive amenities to not end up becoming unpleasant places to live in the long run.

100%

[OldDartmouthMark]

I think if we can step off of our high horses for a minute and stop looking down upon those who have different views than us, we might notice that any resistance is often the same as any other time we face change. Some will embrace it, some will be fearful of it, and some will understand clearly and simply take a different point of view. It’s not a case where Halifax has a higher percentage of ignorance or lack of education, as some might want us to believe. This sort of thing happens in cities everywhere and it often is associated with a sense of loss or trepidation over potential worst case scenarios.

I understand people on a pro skyscraper forum becoming upset over comments from the public that don’t support their beliefs, but really your fears are unfounded. Things are still being built, and heights are increasing. The Robie/Young area is becoming a bonafide slice of urban pie. Rejoice in that, and be happy to live in a democratic society where people can publicly express their views, and lazy “journalists” can cherry pick comments from public forums, copy/paste and publish them verbatim, and receive a paycheque for it. All’s good in old Halofax town. 😊

[terrynorthend]

Originally Posted by OldDartmouthMark

I think if we can step off of our high horses for a minute and stop looking down upon those who have different views than us, we might notice that any resistance is often the same as any other time we face change. Some will embrace it, some will be fearful of it, and some will understand clearly and simply take a different point of view. It’s not a case where Halifax has a higher percentage of ignorance or lack of education, as some might want us to believe. This sort of thing happens in cities everywhere and it often is associated with a sense of loss or trepidation over potential worst case scenarios.

I understand people on a pro skyscraper forum becoming upset over comments from the public that don’t support their beliefs, but really your fears are unfounded. Things are still being built, and heights are increasing. The Robie/Young area is becoming a bonafide slice of urban pie. Rejoice in that, and be happy to live in a democratic society where people can publicly express their views, and lazy “journalists” can cherry pick comments from public forums, copy/paste and publish them verbatim, and receive a paycheque for it. All’s good in old Halofax town. 😊

Amen.

[worldlyhaligonian]

I'm not convinced. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it doesn't mean that it's informed or that those crying 'too tall' use democratic means to get their points across.

This is a Skyscraper Forum, no matter what.

[LikeCranes]

Originally Posted by ArchAficionado

...That being said, the "it's too tall" is really becoming quite tiresome.

I recall someone calling Point North a "vertical city".

[Keith P.]

Originally Posted by ArchAficionado

That being said, the "it's too tall" is really becoming quite tiresome.

The proper usage of the phrase here is "it's too TALL!!!"

[Keith P.]

Originally Posted by OldDartmouthMark

Rejoice in that, and be happy to live in a democratic society where people can publicly express their views, and lazy “journalists” can cherry pick comments from public forums, copy/paste and publish them verbatim, and receive a paycheque for it. All’s good in old Halofax town. 😊

Thank you for the pontification. However I would suggest to you that Ms. Taplin is far from a "lazy journalist" and is perhaps the one member of the media who consistently covers such development stories in a complete and balanced manner. She earns every dollar Saltwire pays her and we are lucky to still have her here.

[Arrdeeharharharbour]

A public survey regarding this site can be found on the Halifax.ca homepage and is open until August 23rd.

...remember when the point tower at King's Wharf was going to be the tallest tower in the city?

[OliverD]

Originally Posted by Keith P.

The proper usage of the phrase here is "it's too TALL!!!"

Don't forget the inevitable comparison to Toronto.

[miniborder]

Originally Posted by ArchAficionado

I think those who voice that the city needs to consider a growth / upgrade to recreational facilities do have a point - these dense new neighborhoods need to have attractive amenities to not end up becoming unpleasant places to live in the long run.

This neighbourhood is literally on the precipice of having the Forum redeveloped, no?

[Arrdeeharharharbour]

Originally Posted by miniborder

This neighbourhood is literally on the precipice of having the Forum redeveloped, no?

Yes. But...


North End Stadium 1 by A.J. Forsythe, on Flickr


North End Stadium 2 by A.J. Forsythe, on Flickr


Mayor Fillmore was on the tv news the other night suggesting Canada Post selling off their Almon St. property might be a way for them to ease their financial troubles a bit. Imagine combining the post office property with the Forum property what an entertainment facility could be built. Imagine further if the group that considered building a stadium etc. out by the airport built here instead. If only we had movers and shakers to usher stuff like this along.

[OldDartmouthMark]

Originally Posted by worldlyhaligonian

I'm not convinced. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it doesn't mean that it's informed or that those crying 'too tall' use democratic means to get their points across.

This is a Skyscraper Forum, no matter what.

I find myself often disagreeing with the way you portray things here, but it’s all good. We can disagree and still be civil. Forums exist for people to express their opinions.

I did acknowledge that it’s a skyscraper forum, so we agree on that anyhow.

[OldDartmouthMark]

Originally Posted by Keith P.

Thank you for the pontification. However I would suggest to you that Ms. Taplin is far from a "lazy journalist" and is perhaps the one member of the media who consistently covers such development stories in a complete and balanced manner. She earns every dollar Saltwire pays her and we are lucky to still have her here.

Thanks for your opinion and judgement. I don’t know anything about the journalist that you admire, but the practice of including quotes from social media doesn’t leave me with the impression that high-level investigation and writing is involved. I will take your assessment into account and will give her the benefit of the doubt.

Edit: Oh, and for the “pontification” comment… “you be you”.

[Keith P.]

Originally Posted by miniborder

This neighbourhood is literally on the precipice of having the Forum redeveloped, no?

True, but sadly the Forum "redevelopment" is actually downgrading the degree of facilities actually available. The new Forum is approximately the size of the Dartmouth Sportsplex with about 2000 seats, less than half the capacity of the old barn, while the second ice surface has no seating at all. The flea market hall is being kept the same. All for the low low price of what may well be $200 million by the time it gets done (they are claiming a budget of $150 mil but don't hold your breath). And of course reduced parking capacity for the on-site lot. I believe it is a very ill-conceived project. It seems more of a case of the bureaucracy serving themselves instead of the people/taxpayers who are footing the very large bill.

[OldDartmouthMark]

Originally Posted by miniborder

This neighbourhood is literally on the precipice of having the Forum redeveloped, no?

The project that people on the Halifax SSP forum have been wanting to be quashed? It’s too expensive!! 😩

[kzt79]

Originally Posted by Keith P.

True, but sadly the Forum "redevelopment" is actually downgrading the degree of facilities actually available. The new Forum is approximately the size of the Dartmouth Sportsplex with about 2000 seats, less than half the capacity of the old barn, while the second ice surface has no seating at all. The flea market hall is being kept the same. All for the low low price of what may well be $200 million by the time it gets done (they are claiming a budget of $150 mil but don't hold your breath). And of course reduced parking capacity for the on-site lot. I believe it is a very ill-conceived project. It seems more of a case of the bureaucracy serving themselves instead of the people/taxpayers who are footing the very large bill.

No question the final tally will exceed 200M.