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Old Posted Aug 7, 2019, 12:11 AM
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I remember being in Munich, a little over a decade ago, came across an escalator (for a pedestrian underpass on a major intersection) that they had given up on and turned into a flower planter and thinking, man, this is the home of the Bavarian Motorworks (and Audi), one of the fabled homes of legendary German engineering - if even they have given up on making an escalator work reliably, what chance do the rest of us have?
Was it this one?



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Old Posted Aug 8, 2019, 4:40 AM
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Keeping in mind that Legendary German Engineering also includes Porsche and Mercedes, which've been sacrificing reliability for "efficiency" as far back as WW2.
And I would add that the Legendary German Engineering is more precisely "Legendary German Over-Engineering", considering the Germans have a habit of making stuff more complicated than it needs to be, just so it can theoretically work better, no matter how slight the 'improvement' is in real life.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2019, 5:50 AM
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[QUOTE=jollyburger;8651264]Was it this one?

Probably same one, I took a photo from the top side, would upload it if I wasn't too lazy to find a place to store it.

And maybe the Germans over-engineer things, but all over the world I encounter broken down escalators, seems to be an inherently troublesome piece of machinery (vs. say, an elevator), so I wasn't unhappy to see the Canada Line kept them to a minimum.
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Was it this one?

Probably same one, I took a photo from the top side, would upload it if I wasn't too lazy to find a place to store it.

And maybe the Germans over-engineer things, but all over the world I encounter broken down escalators, seems to be an inherently troublesome piece of machinery (vs. say, an elevator), so I wasn't unhappy to see the Canada Line kept them to a minimum.
Funnily enough; at work, the two elevators that give us the most trouble operationally are made by Thyssenkrupp and Kone, as they tend to break down, a lot, at very inopportune moments. Our OTIS elevators, despite being old, work like a charm.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2019, 9:25 AM
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And I would add that the Legendary German Engineering is more precisely "Legendary German Over-Engineering", considering the Germans have a habit of making stuff more complicated than it needs to be, just so it can theoretically work better, no matter how slight the 'improvement' is in real life.
The Panther/Tiger tanks come to mind, as does every other performance car of the last few decades.

Anyway, back to the planter. Is it possible that the underpass in general is underutilized and not worth the maintenance? The Munich U-Bahn doesn't seem to have problems with escalators in other places - some stations' are even motion-sensored!
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Was it this one?



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Now that's just depressing. My favourite German city going to sh!t.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2019, 8:49 PM
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Came across this:

Escalators Destruction
http://www.elevatorbobs-elevator-pics.com/esc_des_p1.html
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Happy 10th Canada Line!

Canada Line changed direction of transit in Metro Vancouver: former councillor

BY LASIA KRETZEL AND ALISON BAILEY

Posted Aug 16, 2019


ANCOUVER (NEWS 1130) – A former Vancouver city councillor says the Canada Line has settled some big issues in the city, as the line celebrates 10 years of service.

There was heated debate in the years leading up to opening day over whether building the line was the right move and whether Vancouver is a city for transit.

Gord Price, who was also on TransLink’s first board, points out ridership targets were met on opening day, adding the line has shown there is greater demand for multi-billion dollar transit investments in a growing Metro Vancouver.

“Now the attitude is why aren’t we doing it faster and bigger?” Price said. “There’s just no doubt when you look at Richmond or you look now along Cambie Street or the possibility of what’s going to happen with other lines that hey, we do it, we do it well, we just have to do more of it and do it faster.”

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As Canada Line turns 10, TransLink looks to future while avoiding past mistakes

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Ten years ago Saturday, SkyTrain riders in Metro Vancouver got a whole new line.

The opening of the Canada Line on Aug. 17, 2009, came after years of squabbles over rising costs, shrinking timelines, lost business revenue and traffic nightmares in Vancouver and Richmond.

But it was popular the moment the trains started running, with lineups snaking around the block at all stations — and ridership has only increased from there.

Projected ridership goals that were seen as unrealistic were met three years early. And the Cambie corridor has largely bounced back from years of construction woes, with high density around stations already adding more riders.

That continued growth means TransLink has little time to celebrate the anniversary of one of its most controversial yet successful projects.

“It needs to expand,” CEO Kevin Desmond said this week. “Our first piece of that is better circulation in the stations and getting more cars out next year.”

Work is already well underway on adding new escalators to some stations to improve passenger flow, with the project set to be completed by the fall.

And early next year, 12 new trains will be added to service, which TransLink spokesperson Ben Murphy says will be able to carry an additional 1,400 people per hour through the line while shaving a minute off wait times.

“Right now in peak hours we see [trains arriving] roughly every three minutes,” he said. “That’s going to come down to every two minutes or so.”

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Flash back more than 15 years ago when the project was approved, and it was rare to find someone who wasn’t a politician who was confident in the 19-kilometre line’s eventual success.

Richmond city council nearly scuttled the project entirely, crying foul over the visual impact of an elevated line.

There was uproar over nearly every detail, from the location of the stations to the additional fee applied at the YVR Airport station, which helped cover some of the project’s cost.

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To top it all off, critics argued the line would only see popularity during the 2010 Winter Olympics, and would otherwise fail to meet the 100,000 daily average ridership TransLink said was needed to break even.

That goal was ultimately surpassed four months in a row after the games left. By the time the first anniversary rolled around that August, 36 million people had boarded the trains.

Desmond, who became TransLink’s CEO well after the dust settled on the project, says the line’s success is due to its speed and connectivity to several major existing hubs in Vancouver, Richmond and beyond.

“You can get downtown to all the activities, you can get out to [Vancouver] City Hall, the Richmond Night Market, to YVR, and further connections to Delta and White Rock,” he said.

“It created so many new mobility opportunities, it opened up lots of ways for the region to develop smartly. It’s really the story of TransLink.”

Looking ahead

As TransLink works to expand service and space ahead of continued development around stations like Marine Drive and Oakridge, it’s also using the Canada Line’s fraught history as an example of what to avoid.

Desmond says the key lesson is to ignore so-called “sticker shock”: the desire to scale back or dump projects entirely after balking at the eventual costs.

“Clearly, they had a mission to build this for the Olympics, and there were only so many dollars available,” he said. “In retrospect, I think everybody could have said, ‘If only there was more money, if only we could build this bigger and really envision the explosion around the corridor.'”

That lack of foresight has been blamed for some of the line’s continued issues — chiefly that the platforms are too small to accommodate longer trains.

It’s also something Desmond wants to avoid as TransLink looks towards two major SkyTrain projects: the Surrey extension to Langley, and building the Millennium Line down Broadway to Arbutus and eventually UBC.

Both projects are already valued at more than what the Canada Line cost, with the Surrey-to-Langley extension topping out at $3.12 billion.

The Mayors’ Council this year voted to move ahead with that project, but only with the money allocated for the earlier plan for light rail transit. That means, for now, the extension will only reach Fleetwood. TransLink is working to secure additional provincial and federal funding for the rest of the project.

But Desmond says the Canada Line stands as proof that projects should be seen through to their full potential.

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Old Posted Aug 18, 2019, 1:59 AM
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TLDR: NEVER have politicians make decisions over transit infrastructure.
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Old Posted Aug 18, 2019, 4:54 AM
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That lack of foresight has been blamed for some of the line’s continued issues — chiefly that the platforms are too small to accommodate longer trains.
I keep this "lack of foresight" in a scrapbook.


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Old Posted Aug 18, 2019, 3:24 PM
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TLDR: NEVER have politicians make decisions over transit infrastructure.
Easy to say, but having unelected "experts" in control of billions of taxpayer dollars isn't always better.
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Old Posted Aug 19, 2019, 11:51 PM
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Easy to say, but having unelected "experts" in control of billions of taxpayer dollars isn't always better.
i.e the ones that favour LRT.
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Old Posted Aug 20, 2019, 4:35 AM
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i.e the ones that favour LRT.
More like one line needing $10 billion CAD, three different departments and a bunch of "consultants," which then over-engineer the crap out of it so it ends up breaking down every week. Remember that narrow-mindedness isn't limited to just LRT supporters, politicians or accountants (though it's pretty common among those groups).
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Old Posted Aug 20, 2019, 8:20 AM
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It's easy to overbuild a system if you have unlimited money to pay for it.
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Old Posted Aug 20, 2019, 9:30 AM
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True. What I was suggesting was that in a scenario where you have an unelected group of experts given a giant budget, some would blow the entire budget on just one or two overbuilt items, then ask for more money. At least with the current system, TransLink needs to be resourceful with what little funding they have.
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...in a scenario where you have an unelected group of experts given a giant budget, some would blow the entire budget on just one or two overbuilt items, then ask for more money. At least with the current system, TransLink needs to be resourceful with what little funding they have.
There's a happy medium in there somewhere, and I think the Canada Line indicates that we may be a little shy of it. But at least it's shown that the money is well spent, and I think that bodes well for the future.

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Old Posted Aug 20, 2019, 9:31 PM
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Yeah, the flip side would be Toronto's Spadina Extension.
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How feasible is it really to increase the Canada Line's headways to 75-60s max instead of 120s?
Has this sort of thing been done before on similar non-LIM lines?
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IIRC the single tracking on the ends of the two branches limits headways to 3 minutes, for a combined 90 seconds north of Bridgeport.
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