Canada Line races toward capacity - Page 40

casper · #**781** Posted **Jul 15, 2019, 5:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

That is a very interesting point you brought up. Would you be willing to share some ideas, give examples?
It's 33 years since Skytrain opened on the Expo Line; before that all diesel or trolley busses Things really do change a lot over time. Alors, any ideas you're willing to share are welcome

When I was in elementary school, skytrain was being built. The lock neighborhood park was at what is now 29th St station. Where the existing skytain line is now were old partially paved over railway tracks form the older interurban. The three story condo block at Earls and Kings is actually an ancient building that housed the power generation and switch gear for the interurban.

The city use to have a much more complex rail network than it has now. It was removed to make way for trolley buses. We then went back.

Back 33 years ago, many of the people who work downtown, actually worked downtown. Today the trend is more and more to a growing percentage of the workforce working from home and only going into the office a few days a week. That makes longer commutes more viable.

The idea of taking bikes on buses or trains was just plain weird. The system was not designed for that. There were no bike lockers at train stations.

They city centers such as Metrotown were not a major population hub. These were basically glorified malls with no significant office component. That has all changed.

WarrenC12 · #**782** Posted **Jul 15, 2019, 3:31 PM**

I know a lot of people that work in all kinds of various industries, including mobile apps and "modern" jobs. I've had 3 jobs in the last ~10 years, where the vast majority of my work could be done from anywhere. Only one of those jobs allowed a work from home day, and it was 1 day a week.

I think the "work from home most days" trope is vastly overestimated. Everybody is coming into the office almost every day.

Changing City · #**783** Posted **Jul 15, 2019, 4:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I know a lot of people that work in all kinds of various industries, including mobile apps and "modern" jobs. I've had 3 jobs in the last ~10 years, where the vast majority of my work could be done from anywhere. Only one of those jobs allowed a work from home day, and it was 1 day a week.

I think the "work from home most days" trope is vastly overestimated. Everybody is coming into the office almost every day.

That would seem to be supported by the pattern of office development. There are millions of square feet of space under construction Downtown, with millions more planned. That suggests employers expect their employees to be present, and using space.

There are millions more square feet in the False Creek Flats and on Broadway and in Mount Pleasant. There are relatively few projects planned further south along the Canada Line though; some at Oakridge, and a few modest buildings (usually as a component of a mixed use scheme) in Richmond. There's potential for more space at Marine Drive too. It means the residents use of the line (putting aside the airport part of demand) is mostly in one direction in the morning, and back out again at night.

Express691 · #**784** Posted **Jul 25, 2019, 4:30 AM**

I have reports that the new escalators at Yaletown-Roundhouse have been opened.

Migrant_Coconut · #**785** Posted **Jul 25, 2019, 4:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I know a lot of people that work in all kinds of various industries, including mobile apps and "modern" jobs. I've had 3 jobs in the last ~10 years, where the vast majority of my work could be done from anywhere. Only one of those jobs allowed a work from home day, and it was 1 day a week.

I think the "work from home most days" trope is vastly overestimated. Everybody is coming into the office almost every day.

Correct. A large amount of mid-level managers still expect everybody to be present 9 to 5 and visibly working; any deviation is considered shirking and/or laziness.

whatnext · #**786** Posted **Jul 25, 2019, 6:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Correct. A large amount of mid-level managers still expect everybody to be present 9 to 5 and visibly working; any deviation is considered shirking and/or laziness.

Those I know who work from home miss the interaction with others and the creativity that can spring from that.

GeeCee · #**787** Posted **Jul 25, 2019, 6:47 AM**

I feel like this thread should be closed in favor of the main transit infrastructure thread.

YVR Bruce · #**788** Posted **Aug 1, 2019, 7:02 PM**

I'm ok with keeping this thread alive. It offers quicker access to some of the relevant data.

There is even (somewhat) fresh news - a Daily Hive article today:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canada-line-new-train-arrival-august-1-2019

I don't share the author's strong negatives (in the linked articles), but they're understandable. Indeed, the frequencies that it offers generates the traffic that is creates the challenge re upgrades. I'm good with that.

Perhaps the name could be amended to Canada Line News.

trofirhen · #**789** Posted **Aug 1, 2019, 9:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by GeeCee

I feel like this thread should be closed in favor of the main transit infrastructure thread.

.... or the thread name changed .....

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Originally Posted by YVR Bruce

I'm ok with keeping this thread alive. It offers quicker access to some of the relevant data.

There is even (somewhat) fresh news - a Daily Hive article today:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canada-line-new-train-arrival-august-1-2019
Perhaps the name could be amended to Canada Line News.

I agree. The thread title is somewhat misleading, as if a crisis is about to occur.

GeeCee · #**790** Posted **Aug 2, 2019, 6:39 AM**

I guess my point was that I don't understand why we have threads for particular projects closed (eg Canada Line, Evergreen Line) in favor of the main transit discussion thread, but then we have ones like this one that are left open and occasionally bumped. For future projects like south of fraser, M-line extension to Arbutus/UBC, sure, but I can't see any particular reason why this thread in particular is around.

Migrant_Coconut · #**791** Posted **Aug 2, 2019, 6:57 AM**

Take it up with the mods?

VancouverOfTheFuture · #**792** Posted **Aug 2, 2019, 5:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by GeeCee

I guess my point was that I don't understand why we have threads for particular projects closed (eg Canada Line, Evergreen Line) in favor of the main transit discussion thread, but then we have ones like this one that are left open and occasionally bumped. For future projects like south of fraser, M-line extension to Arbutus/UBC, sure, but I can't see any particular reason why this thread in particular is around.

maybe because it isn't about the project itself but because of how the project was built it created an after effect. i.e. shorter platforms and less trains therefore as ridership has grown faster than they thought capcity is an issue until it is rectified. more trains, eventually larger platforms, down escalators. etc.

personally Canada Line capacity talk should be here i think over the general thread as this line is unique in that it isn't like the original lines.

either way, that's a mod thing to decide.

officedweller · #**793** Posted **Aug 2, 2019, 11:21 PM**

Each of the SkyTrain lines and expansions sort of has its own thread, which I find useful for going back and finding things rather than having everything from buses to Seabus to SkyTrain lumped together.

The Expo Line has the station renovation thread which is the main project-oriented work on that line.

jollyburger · #**794** Posted **Aug 5, 2019, 10:49 PM**

The new Yaletown escalator is installed but not open to the public yet.

officedweller · #**795** Posted **Aug 5, 2019, 10:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

The new Yaletown escalator is installed but not open to the public yet.

This post says it was open July 25th and going same way as the other - UP
(which would be confusing for people going down)
But maybe it was testing.

https://twitter.com/iamkennethchan/statu...ada-line-new-train-arrival-august-1-2019

jollyburger · #**796** Posted **Aug 5, 2019, 10:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

This post says it was open July 25th and going same way as the other - UP
(which would be confusing for people going down)
But maybe it was testing.

https://twitter.com/iamkennethchan/statu...ada-line-new-train-arrival-august-1-2019

It broke down a few days later and is currently roped off.

https://twitter.com/liveluvlaugh787/status/1156798468540682240

dpogue · #**797** Posted **Aug 5, 2019, 11:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

It broke down a few days later and is currently roped off.

https://twitter.com/liveluvlaugh787/status/1156798468540682240

During the first year after installation the escalators are under warranty, so any issues or concerns have to get reported to the company to send their technicians out to inspect and repair. That occasionally takes longer than having in-house techs deal with it (although I'm not sure Canada Line has in-house techs? SkyTrain does)

GMD · #**798** Posted **Aug 6, 2019, 4:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by dpogue

During the first year after installation the escalators are under warranty, so any issues or concerns have to get reported to the company to send their technicians out to inspect and repair. That occasionally takes longer than having in-house techs deal with it (although I'm not sure Canada Line has in-house techs? SkyTrain does)

I remember being in Munich, a little over a decade ago, came across an escalator (for a pedestrian underpass on a major intersection) that they had given up on and turned into a flower planter and thinking, man, this is the home of the Bavarian Motorworks (and Audi), one of the fabled homes of legendary German engineering - if even they have given up on making an escalator work reliably, what chance do the rest of us have?

deasine · #**799** Posted **Aug 6, 2019, 5:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by GeeCee

I guess my point was that I don't understand why we have threads for particular projects closed (eg Canada Line, Evergreen Line) in favor of the main transit discussion thread, but then we have ones like this one that are left open and occasionally bumped. For future projects like south of fraser, M-line extension to Arbutus/UBC, sure, but I can't see any particular reason why this thread in particular is around.

No, you're right and it was an intention to merge this back into the regular thread.

Migrant_Coconut · #**800** Posted **Aug 7, 2019, 12:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by GMD

I remember being in Munich, a little over a decade ago, came across an escalator (for a pedestrian underpass on a major intersection) that they had given up on and turned into a flower planter and thinking, man, this is the home of the Bavarian Motorworks (and Audi), one of the fabled homes of legendary German engineering - if even they have given up on making an escalator work reliably, what chance do the rest of us have?

Keeping in mind that Legendary German Engineering also includes Porsche and Mercedes, which've been sacrificing reliability for "efficiency" as far back as WW2.