Canadian City Proposals

[vanman]

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

And My favorite the Gerrard Street and Carlaw station which has an amazing Industrial look that pays homage to the areas manufacturing past.

The weight of that station looks like it's about to crush everything underneath it. Super cool industrial aesthetic.

[Coldrsx]

Haha totally and looks amazing doing it.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

The Library is okay. Surely the space is a huge upgrade over the existing one. The cladding material better be on point. The Indegenious pattern will age poorly.

Indigenous? I see quilts (and wonder why?).

[yaletown_fella]

Originally Posted by MonkeyRonin

I gathered as much from the Metrolinx signage, but what I mean is, why can't the station be something a bit more engaging - and especially, why not develop the space above it? This bunker looks like something from the 1970s Spadina extension.

I thought the official plan was to build on top of Ontario Line stations?

Thats a massive waste if thats not case.

[scryer]

Originally Posted by vanman

The weight of that station looks like it's about to crush everything underneath it. Super cool industrial aesthetic.

If it doesn't get value engineered... it has the potential of being iconic IMO.

[WhipperSnapper]

What is there to value engineer?

Expanding the width of the underpass is necessary. Expanding it this much is unfortunate. Why does the station have to be exactly over the intersection?

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Indigenous? I see quilts (and wonder why?).

The exterior cladding as a Indigenous motif/pattern although being Indigneous is not really relevant. The look is trendy instead of contemporary.

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

What is there to value engineer?

Expanding the width of the underpass is necessary. Expanding it this much is unfortunate. Why does the station have to be exactly over the intersection?

There are probably a handful of reasons it's over the intersection and not on the other side of the tracks. This is yet another reason why this portion should have been buried like planned decades ago. But Dougie wanted to expand the subway further north and he had to save money somewhere, may as well go through a part of the city that never votes for his party. Nothing to lose.

[WhipperSnapper]

The Relief Line predating The Ontario Line jumped onto this above ground corridor and followed it all the way into Corktown before turning north up to Queen. This station has been above ground for at least 15 years. The Ontario Line avoids the packed GO corridor altogether and eliminates the jogs in the line from the corridor up to Queen Street and back to the corridor. It's a much better plan.

[someone123]

There is a rendering for the Gottingen Street tower in Halifax. It is okay. I think what's surprising here is the arc the neighbourhood has followed, from near abandoned to small scale projects and then towers. Also 15 years ago this would have been a major project in the city but now it's another "background' tower while the major construction projects are 30+.


https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=251332&page=2

There is this suburban one too. I feel like these areas look sort of interesting but are unlikely to coalesce into a coherent whole and in the long run might end up with the worst of both worlds: multi unit and poor amenities. Also dislike how everything is monochrome. But the site with the old quarry, hills, and lake looks nice.


(Came from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyoeousQfpQ)

[J.OT13]

Shades of Gatineau. Fantastic location, worse level of architecture possible.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bd+de+...939b18944!8m2!3d45.3983578!4d-75.7848301

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

The Relief Line predating The Ontario Line jumped onto this above ground corridor and followed it all the way into Corktown before turning north up to Queen. This station has been above ground for at least 15 years. The Ontario Line avoids the packed GO corridor altogether and eliminates the jogs in the line from the corridor up to Queen Street and back to the corridor. It's a much better plan.

Personally the route works better for me but the plan is nowhere near better. Most subways follow a direct path along major retail and residential routes. This thing jumps around all over the place. Also I'm not sure where your are getting your info from but it was only 2019 when the Ford Government scrapped the Relief line that had years of work, studies, and dollars spent on it to go above ground.

This Gerrard and Carlaw station would have been below ground. As would have the rest of the Riverside Stations.

[TorontoDrew]

Here is something a little different just north of Toronto in Markham.


source: urbantoronto.ca
Bahá’í National Centre and Temple (Markham)
Address 7015-7290 Leslie St, Markham, Ontario, L3T 6L8
Category Residential (Unspecified), Institutional (Community Centre, Place of Worship)
Status Pre-Construction
Number of Buildings 4
Height 98 ft / 30.00 m, 17 ft / 5.20 m
Developer National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha’i
Architect Hariri Pontarini Architects
Landscape Architect Schollen & Company
Engineering GEI Consultants, SCS Consulting Group
Planning Malone Given Parson Ltd

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

This Gerrard and Carlaw station would have been below ground. As would have the rest of the Riverside Stations.

AFAIK, the photo you posted is The Ontario Line. The Relief Line followed the green/blue line from Carlaw passed Sumach before turning and heading north to Queen (or King) and then back down to the blue/green line somewhere past Spadina. It's still valid to call the Ontario Line a relief line not that it really matters. People still call Rogers Centre Skydome. Maybe you're right. Early concepts for the Ontario line considered doing a completely subterranean line until reason won out. The planned Relief Line before Ford wasn't subterranean in Riverdale either.

[Nouvellecosse]

It wasn't until Doug made his apple cart overturning announcement that the relief line went above ground. That was when the plan also extended further west beyond the two line 1 interchanges. The whole thing is a bit confusing through since the relief line has gone through several iterations over the years including one with it joining the rail corridor and going to Union. But that was a fairly old version that hadn't been talked about for around a decade prior to the preferred version that Doug kiboshed. But there wasn't any recent relief line version with a surface portion.

[WhipperSnapper]

I'm corrected. I'm only aware of the rail corridor one I guess from many years ago. This Riverdale Station was above grade too.

Than what exactly does the Ontario Line look like if it's not the version above? The only renderings I've seen are exactly the same.

[Nouvellecosse]

This comparison was released back when the Ont line was first announced. The dark blue is the then-preferred version of the Relief line and the pink and lighter blue is the Ont line with the pink being the only surface segments.


https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2019/07...-line-route-confidential-plans-show.html

[WhipperSnapper]

Thanks. I had it backwards. So the Ontario Line follows the rail corridor and makes these crazy jogs up and back down to Queen. It's similar to the first concept I saw year agos (It's been a decade although it felt like a lot less)

I don't know. I like straight lines and I'm not sure occupying spaces in the GO corridor is the best long term decision. There's been talk of a downtown relief line since I was a kid and some serious planning over the past 20 years. The preferred plan is vastly superior however, that doesn't matter if the budget doesn't allow to build it. Time to build something and my kids kids can deal with the value engineering consequences of today. Extending the Relief Line further to Eglinton and Ontario Place is real estate politics at its finest. Ontario Place is an under performing asset. Thorncliffe, Flemingdon are ripe for skyscraper intensification. The Science Centre is also a massive underutilized property.

[ssiguy]

The Ontario Line is a vastly superior project to the original Relief Line.

The Relief was exactly that and nothing more. It basically just provided a way to circumvent the transfer at packed Yonge & Bloor station but little else. The OL line heads north to a vastly underserved and heavily populated area around Eglinton & Don Mills, connects to the new Eglinton Crosstown, will relieve the over crowding Yonge Line north of Bloor as many will have a faster commute by taking the OL and not having to go all the way west to Yonge to get downtown, and serves the thousands who take the Don Mills bus further north. The western extension past Yonge serves many neighbourhoods and the high density areas that only have access to slow moving streetcars now, connects to the GO station at Exhibition making the trip for the commuters on the western GO lines not going to the financial core much easier and faster, and will relieve pressure on Union which is already the busiest station in the country.

The OL line is a true rapid transit corridor that connects tens of thousands of more people and hundreds of more destinations while the RL was not much more than a station bypass.

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

I'm corrected. I'm only aware of the rail corridor one I guess from many years ago. This Riverdale Station was above grade too.

Than what exactly does the Ontario Line look like if it's not the version above? The only renderings I've seen are exactly the same.

Maybe you're thinking of John Tories smart Track plan?