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Old Posted Jan 17, 2022, 7:52 PM
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"In 2020, there were 84,600 deaths from cancer in Canada.
Heart disease accounted for 77,000 deaths.
Compare that to numbers from March to December 2020, when there were 14,642 COVID-related deaths, according to Statistica data analysis and StatsCan."
https://ottawasun.com/opinion/editorials...wcm/937e0387-c39f-4299-b3a4-c12c997cf7b1
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2022, 2:02 AM
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"In 2020, there were 84,600 deaths from cancer in Canada.
Heart disease accounted for 77,000 deaths.
Compare that to numbers from March to December 2020, when there were 14,642 COVID-related deaths, according to Statistica data analysis and StatsCan."
https://ottawasun.com/opinion/editorials...wcm/937e0387-c39f-4299-b3a4-c12c997cf7b1
I wouldn’t ignore long covid. It can be debilitating in subtle ways. While we are trying to protect the medical system, even the young and healthy have a small chance of hospitalization. But worse, you have a reasonable (about 10%) chance of getting long covid. Symptoms include cognitive issues and internal vibrations - none of which is understood.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2022, 2:18 AM
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"In 2020, there were 84,600 deaths from cancer in Canada.
Heart disease accounted for 77,000 deaths.
Compare that to numbers from March to December 2020, when there were 14,642 COVID-related deaths, according to Statistica data analysis and StatsCan."
https://ottawasun.com/opinion/editorials...wcm/937e0387-c39f-4299-b3a4-c12c997cf7b1
This is exactly the kind of quote that, taken out of context, is dangerous. We are incredibly lucky in Canada that the vast majority of us will live long enough to die from heart disease, cancer, or dementia. It is actually quite rare for someone to die of an infectious disease without one or multiple of those 3 playing a role. So the fact that 15k people died of a novel infectious disease in 2020....despite all of our lockdown measures....is actually quite terrifying. Luckily we are beyond the panic of 2020 and into a post-vaccine Canada where it is, once again, incredibly unlikely that you will die of COVID. No question that it is time to start the re-opening (hopefully this time for good) but don't confuse that with the ABSOLUTELY necessary lockdowns and restrictions that saved many thousands of lives over the last 2 years.
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Hey guys, I have met quite a few of you in person and a lot of you are aware I have a rare incurable form of Lymphoma. I just want to let you all know that I just got the results of my latest full body scan and I am still on watch and wait, so I do NOT have to start 2.5 years of chemo just yet. With luck, Covid will be pretty much done with before I have to start. Today is a good day! I may just live to see all the balconies installed on Icon after all!
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Old Posted Feb 4, 2022, 6:19 PM
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Hey guys, I have met quite a few of you in person and a lot of you are aware I have a rare incurable form of Lymphoma. I just want to let you all know that I just got the results of my latest full body scan and I am still on watch and wait, so I do NOT have to start 2.5 years of chemo just yet. With luck, Covid will be pretty much done with before I have to start. Today is a good day! I may just live to see all the balconies installed on Icon after all!
Harley: I glad to hear some reasonably good news regarding your health. I am one of the ones who have met you. I wish you the very best!

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Old Posted Feb 4, 2022, 6:34 PM
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Hey guys, I have met quite a few of you in person and a lot of you are aware I have a rare incurable form of Lymphoma. I just want to let you all know that I just got the results of my latest full body scan and I am still on watch and wait, so I do NOT have to start 2.5 years of chemo just yet. With luck, Covid will be pretty much done with before I have to start. Today is a good day! I may just live to see all the balconies installed on Icon after all!
I have not met you but am glad to see at least best-possible positive news for you. All the best!
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Always great to see your stay positive and active in the face of such a difficult diagnosis. Stay positive and keep up the sarcasm....it's great therapy in and of itself!
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Hey guys, I have met quite a few of you in person and a lot of you are aware I have a rare incurable form of Lymphoma. I just want to let you all know that I just got the results of my latest full body scan and I am still on watch and wait, so I do NOT have to start 2.5 years of chemo just yet. With luck, Covid will be pretty much done with before I have to start. Today is a good day! I may just live to see all the balconies installed on Icon after all!
We've never met but I'm happy to hear the news. Hoping that chemo process is still miles away. Wishing you all the best.
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Hey guys, I have met quite a few of you in person and a lot of you are aware I have a rare incurable form of Lymphoma. I just want to let you all know that I just got the results of my latest full body scan and I am still on watch and wait, so I do NOT have to start 2.5 years of chemo just yet. With luck, Covid will be pretty much done with before I have to start. Today is a good day! I may just live to see all the balconies installed on Icon after all!
We've never met but I'm glad to hear the positive news man.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2022, 1:33 PM
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Hey guys, I have met quite a few of you in person and a lot of you are aware I have a rare incurable form of Lymphoma. I just want to let you all know that I just got the results of my latest full body scan and I am still on watch and wait, so I do NOT have to start 2.5 years of chemo just yet. With luck, Covid will be pretty much done with before I have to start. Today is a good day! I may just live to see all the balconies installed on Icon after all!
Great news, Harley! Keep riding that wave!!
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2022, 11:48 PM
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Thanks for the well wish everyone! A little off topic but I thought I'd slide the good news into the Covid thread. Much appreciated.
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Hey guys, I have met quite a few of you in person and a lot of you are aware I have a rare incurable form of Lymphoma. I just want to let you all know that I just got the results of my latest full body scan and I am still on watch and wait, so I do NOT have to start 2.5 years of chemo just yet. With luck, Covid will be pretty much done with before I have to start. Today is a good day! I may just live to see all the balconies installed on Icon after all!
Don't know you. But love your posts. I am really happy for you.
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2022, 6:27 PM
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Don't know you. But love your posts. I am really happy for you.
I absolutely second (or third or fourth) this sentiment. Very glad to hear this.
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2022, 3:51 AM
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Thanks for the well wish everyone! A little off topic but I thought I'd slide the good news into the Covid thread. Much appreciated.

Haven't met anyone on the forum yet but would like to. Still, I am very glad you have some good news on your end. Stay strong man, hopefully that day comes a long time from now. You have been doing great work around these parts. It was nice to know you were the one updating our wiki because it was so properly complete. Thanks!!
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Governments have jumped the gun far too many times with "Covid is over". There will be another variant and another wave, hospitals will be overcapacity again, and we will have to re-instate a whole bunch of restrictions again.

Good on these businesses/institutions who will continue to demand the vaccine passport, but expect a significant increase in harassments from anti-vaxxers now that they will no longer be able to point to the government.

During and after the convoy, I thought long and hard trying to have some sympathy for the general message, but was unable to muster any whatsoever for those who chose to ignore all rules and refuse the simple act of getting vaccinated. I only feel bad for the businesses who have to endure constant shut downs because hospitals get filled with these people who refuse to contribute to society's efforts to fight the virus.

I'm also frustrated with World Governments who are not doing enough to vaccinate the entire planet. Taking care of #1 is not the way to do things in these types of world crises.

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Ontario to end vax passports, some businesses persist

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Feb 28, 2022 3:00pm EST


Some establishments in Ontario will maintain proof-of-vaccine requirements even after the province ends its vaccine certificate system on Tuesday, saying they want to ensure that people feel safe and comfortable coming through their doors.

The Canadian Museum of Nature in Ottawa said its proof-of-vaccination policy is here to stay until a future date that has "yet to be determined."

"Visitors have been really positive and pleased that we have adhered to the highest levels of safety, indicating that this is a key part of their satisfaction with visiting our museum," John Swettenham, the museum's vice-president of public affairs and chief marketing officer, wrote in a statement.

Swettenham said the museum is also maintaining "timed ticketing to help manage flow and capacity."

ByTowne Cinema in Ottawa said in a tweet that it intends to maintain vaccine passport requirements, saying that although this was a "difficult decision," it was made with guest and staff safety in mind.

"The COVID-19 pandemic and the ensuing closures and mandates have made it extremely difficult for us to continue operations over the last two years," the tweet said. "We will continue to monitor the changing landscape as best we can, while also respecting the comfort and safety of both our members and our team."

Another Ottawa movie theatre is following suit. Mayfair theatre in Old Ottawa South also announced in a tweet that it will continue requiring proof of vaccination to "do our part to ensure a safe return to normal."

"It's been a tough and confusing time here in Ottawa recently, but there are reasons to be optimistic as well," said the tweet, with an acknowledgement to the theatre's upcoming 90th anniversary.

Some public health experts are advising establishments to keep proof-of-vaccine requirements – and commending ones that have already decided to do so.

Niagara’s acting medical officer of health, Dr. Mustafa Hirji, said as Ontario lifts many of the provincewide protections put in place to stop the spread of the virus, keeping people safe from COVID-19 will "heavily depend" on the actions of individuals and organizations.

Hirji said Niagara Region Public Health "strongly supports" employers who continue to ask patrons for proof of vaccination.

"We commend them for their ongoing commitment to the health and safety of their customers, employees and community, and encourage residents to continue to support them with their business," he said.

Hirji said that while some residents may feel the risks of COVID-19 are acceptable, they should remember that many community members may still be at greater risk and acknowledge that those individuals and their loved ones may wish to continue to take "greater precaution."

"Let’s support each other in enabling everyone to make individual choices around safety from COVID-19, and not oppose businesses who offer that level of safety to some of their clients," he said.

Niagara’s acting medical officer of health, Dr. Mustafa Hirji, said as Ontario lifts many of the provincewide protections put in place to stop the spread of the virus, keeping people safe from COVID-19 will "heavily depend" on the actions of individuals and organizations.

Hirji said Niagara Region Public Health "strongly supports" employers who continue to ask patrons for proof of vaccination.

"We commend them for their ongoing commitment to the health and safety of their customers, employees and community, and encourage residents to continue to support them with their business," he said.

Hirji said that while some residents may feel the risks of COVID-19 are acceptable, they should remember that many community members may still be at greater risk and acknowledge that those individuals and their loved ones may wish to continue to take "greater precaution."

"Let’s support each other in enabling everyone to make individual choices around safety from COVID-19, and not oppose businesses who offer that level of safety to some of their clients," he said.
https://obj.ca/article/canada-world/ontario-end-vax-passports-some-businesses-persist
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Governments have jumped the gun far too many times with "Covid is over". There will be another variant and another wave, hospitals will be overcapacity again, and we will have to re-instate a whole bunch of restrictions again.

Good on these businesses/institutions who will continue to demand the vaccine passport, but expect a significant increase in harassments from anti-vaxxers now that they will no longer be able to point to the government.

During and after the convoy, I thought long and hard trying to have some sympathy for the general message, but was unable to muster any whatsoever for those who chose to ignore all rules and refuse the simple act of getting vaccinated. I only feel bad for the businesses who have to endure constant shut downs because hospitals get filled with these people who refuse to contribute to society's efforts to fight the virus.

I'm also frustrated with World Governments who are not doing enough to vaccinate the entire planet. Taking care of #1 is not the way to do things in these types of world crises.
Agree with everything you wrote. Given that the vast majority of people are vaccinated, and lots are more comfortable with the checks in place, I wonder whether businesses with vax requirements will see a jump in business. I've just seen some updated reports on the likelihood of infection between vaccinated and unvaccinated (42% less in double vaxxed, 60% less with a booster), and it appears clear that unvaccinated are still at considerably more risk of contracting and transmitting to others. I don't think that I am in a super high risk category, but I'd still much rather patronize businesses that require vaccination.
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Agree with everything you wrote. Given that the vast majority of people are vaccinated, and lots are more comfortable with the checks in place, I wonder whether businesses with vax requirements will see a jump in business. I've just seen some updated reports on the likelihood of infection between vaccinated and unvaccinated (42% less in double vaxxed, 60% less with a booster), and it appears clear that unvaccinated are still at considerably more risk of contracting and transmitting to others. I don't think that I am in a super high risk category, but I'd still much rather patronize businesses that require vaccination.
With or without restrictions we are approaching the endemic point. If haven't had Covid yet or haven't been exposed. The only defense is Vaccine but getting it this month is probably better than in the fall when hospitals are overwhelmed anyway.

I actually think only the vaccine mandate should stay and remove everything else including masking. The mandate does little to stop spread that is now clear but our main vulnerability remains these 10% overwhelming our healthcare system and cajoling them to get vaccinated should continue.
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With or without restrictions we are approaching the endemic point. If haven't had Covid yet or haven't been exposed. The only defense is Vaccine but getting it this month is probably better than in the fall when hospitals are overwhelmed anyway.

I actually think only the vaccine mandate should stay and remove everything else including masking. The mandate does little to stop spread that is now clear but our main vulnerability remains these 10% overwhelming our healthcare system and cajoling them to get vaccinated should continue.
Reaching the endemic point, but not there yet. I'd want to see masking stay until the medical advice supports removal. Particularly in schools, where there are still lots of unvaccinated kids. Slowing transmission is still a reasonable goal. It reduces the opportunity for variants to arise and gives more time for treatments to improve.
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Reaching the endemic point, but not there yet. I'd want to see masking stay until the medical advice supports removal. Particularly in schools, where there are still lots of unvaccinated kids. Slowing transmission is still a reasonable goal. It reduces the opportunity for variants to arise and gives more time for treatments to improve.
"Medical advice" is a tricky thing.

In terms of masks in public places especially transient ones like shops there is almost no downside so we don't need to consider other repercussions.

In schools (and maybe offices) there is a different dynamic. There is no conclusive evidence that masks cause children harm but there are some preliminary studies which suggest impacts on speech and socialization. Meanwhile it is obvious there is a minimum age when masks have any utility. Europe suggests they should only be used for 12 and older. In Ottawa for example they were added to Kindergarten in Sept. 2021. This was entirely political and it is unlikely masks have any impact on spread at that age when language and socialization are nearly the only purposes of attending school at that age.

"Follow the science" is not as simple as it sounds and we should avoid getting caught in the US crazy political divide on these issues.
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"Medical advice" is a tricky thing.

In terms of masks in public places especially transient ones like shops there is almost no downside so we don't need to consider other repercussions.

In schools (and maybe offices) there is a different dynamic. There is no conclusive evidence that masks cause children harm but there are some preliminary studies which suggest impacts on speech and socialization. Meanwhile it is obvious there is a minimum age when masks have any utility. Europe suggests they should only be used for 12 and older. In Ottawa for example they were added to Kindergarten in Sept. 2021. This was entirely political and it is unlikely masks have any impact on spread at that age when language and socialization are nearly the only purposes of attending school at that age.

"Follow the science" is not as simple as it sounds and we should avoid getting caught in the US crazy political divide on these issues.
Fully agree that the science is complex, and I've definitely heard people use "science" (and by that they mean some cherry-picked fact from a media report) to justify some very strange positions. I was more referring to the advice of the Chief Public Officer of Health, and the science advisory table, as they are there specifically to review the science and local conditions and make recommendations based on their expertise in the field. I don't think that they are recommending that we drop the mask mandate yet. In my opinion, the decision on timing of removal of mandates should be as de-politicized as possible.
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