Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion

[WestCoastEcho]

Originally Posted by Waders

Some points mentioned by Michelle Babiuk, a Project Manager with TransLink, in a news article about the RFP for the 203 new skytrain cars.



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Anyone know what other companies also produce LIM trains? May be this is just a tactic to try to get a lower bid from Bombardier?

Kawasaki, Hitachi and Kinki Sharyo produces trainsets with LIM's. The Japanese trainsets use a overhead power line for power, but there's an installation of the Japanese-developed LIM trains for the Guangzhou Metro which uses third rail for power.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

there would be maintenance benefits for keeping the fleet all from the some company for training, parts, etc. i hope they take that into consideration for the RFP and they don't just go with the cheapest today leading to more costs tomorrow.

[SpongeG]

a train stalled at nanaimo causing chaos in the morning commute. Anyone get stuck in it?

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Waders

Anyone know what other companies also produce LIM trains?

https://blog.daryldelacruz.com/2013/09/06/list-of-linear-induction-motor-rapid-transit-systems/

[Xerx]

Originally Posted by WestCoastEcho

Kawasaki, Hitachi and Kinki Sharyo produces trainsets with LIM's. The Japanese trainsets use a overhead power line for power, but there's an installation of the Japanese-developed LIM trains for the Guangzhou Metro which uses third rail for power.

CRRC (the Chinese rolling stock manufacturer) probably got some technology transfer from Bombardier and the Japanese firms so they can also produce trainsets with LIMs if they want to. So, we can count on Bombardier, most of the Japanese firms (Hitachi, Kawasaki, J-TREC, and Kinki Sharyo) and CRRC as potential bidders on a Skytrain order.

[Mac Write]

I only want to see Bombardier, as it will provide conssitancy and not confuse people. and if repairs or warranty needs to happen it has to be shipped back to china etc (there goes 3-6 months).

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Getting anything from China would be terrible. may as well sell them for scrap within the first year.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

Getting anything from China would be terrible. may as well sell them for scrap within the first year.

Typical gwai-lo ignorance - they'll last three years at the very least.

[Meraki]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

I only want to see Bombardier, as it will provide conssitancy and not confuse people. and if repairs or warranty needs to happen it has to be shipped back to china etc (there goes 3-6 months).

Given the vast differences between the MkIs and the MkII/III I don't think confusing people is something to worry about. People will get on a train that indicates it's going to the right place.

I wouldn't expect China, but I hope that the Japanese manufacturers put up a good game and make Bombardier step up and compete. Their MkIII design for Vancouver feels lazy and cheap compared to the MkII if you ignore the larger windows.

[Sheba]

Metro Vancouver bus stop named 'North America's worst' is getting its fix

A bus stop in Metro Vancouver that earned an award for being the worst bus stop in North America last year is getting a much-needed retrofit this week.

The problematic bus stop is located on Lougheed Highway, at the intersection of Lougheed and Old Dewdney Trunk Road, in Pitt Meadows — just east of the Pitt River Bridge. It was a top-four finalist in StreetBlog’s “Sorry Bus Stops” contest before being awarded the top ‘prize’ in a landslide vote against another sketchy stop in Cincinnati.

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In an email, the BC Ministry of Transportation told Daily Hive retrofits on the bus stop are now well underway, with concrete poured for a raised pedestrian refuge area so that pedestrians are positioned outside of the vehicle travel lane.

There is also new railing at the back of the area to provide a barrier between the pedestrians and the ditch behind.

When the weather cooperates, crews will add line marking and stencilling to separate transit passengers and multi-use path users.


The problematic bus stop on Lougheed Highway just east of the Pitt River Bridge. (Google Maps)


Renovation of the problematic bus stop on Lougheed Highway in Pitt Meadows. Taken January 17, 2019. (BC Ministry of Transportation)

[WestCoastEcho]

Originally Posted by Meraki

Given the vast differences between the MkIs and the MkII/III I don't think confusing people is something to worry about. People will get on a train that indicates it's going to the right place.

I wouldn't expect China, but I hope that the Japanese manufacturers put up a good game and make Bombardier step up and compete. Their MkIII design for Vancouver feels lazy and cheap compared to the MkII if you ignore the larger windows.

I would imagine with an order of 200+ units, other manufacturers would find it worthwhile to invest money into adapting their existing designs for Translink.

I'm not exactly certain what's the difference between the Bombardier developed LIM's and the Japanese LIM's, but I would expect that since Translink says they were looking at other manufacturers, they had done their due diligence on compatibility.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by Meraki

Given the vast differences between the MkIs and the MkII/III I don't think confusing people is something to worry about. People will get on a train that indicates it's going to the right place.

I wouldn't expect China, but I hope that the Japanese manufacturers put up a good game and make Bombardier step up and compete. Their MkIII design for Vancouver feels lazy and cheap compared to the MkII if you ignore the larger windows.

The thing is that MKII went though quite a few iterations itself.

Really, MKIII should have been MKII-C or something. I'm not sure what more they would add to improve it, though, enough to justify a new model.

[officedweller]

… and the new trains should have the same livery.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Metro Vancouver bus stop named 'North America's worst' is getting its fix

Aha, public shaming works!

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by Meraki

I wouldn't expect China, but I hope that the Japanese manufacturers put up a good game and make Bombardier step up and compete. Their MkIII design for Vancouver feels lazy and cheap compared to the MkII if you ignore the larger windows.

I don't think Japan would give you an asthetically pleasing train unless you specified. They will however give you a damn good use of internal space.

[officedweller]

Autonomous Vehicles to be tested in Olympic Village and Surrey:
https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2019/0...-driverless-shuttles-on-the-streets.html

https://www.ridewithela.ca/book-ride/

Maximum speed for test: 12 km/h (capable of up to 40km/h)
Will be separated from traffic (?!?) and operate in the westbound lane of West 1st Ave. (i.e. lane closure)

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Autonomous Vehicles to be tested in Olympic Village and Surrey:
https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2019/0...-driverless-shuttles-on-the-streets.html

https://www.ridewithela.ca/book-ride/

Maximum speed for test: 12 km/h (capable of up to 40km/h)
Will be separated from traffic (?!?) and operate in the westbound lane of West 1st Ave. (i.e. lane closure)

Adcock said the Vancouver corridor would likely run from Science World to Granville Island and would be separated from traffic.

In Surrey, the corridor would link four sites, Simpson said: Surrey Memorial Hospital, Jim Pattison Outpatient Care and Surgery Centre, the SkyTrain station and the RCMP E-Division Headquarters.

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Locations where the shuttles will be tested include Surrey Civic Plaza, Olympic Village SkyTrain station and the northwest corner of Manitoba and West 1st Ave.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Autonomous Vehicles to be tested in Olympic Village and Surrey:
https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2019/0...-driverless-shuttles-on-the-streets.html

https://www.ridewithela.ca/book-ride/

Maximum speed for test: 12 km/h (capable of up to 40km/h)
Will be separated from traffic (?!?) and operate in the westbound lane of West 1st Ave. (i.e. lane closure)

Probably traffic separation is like the Surrey LRT traffic separation.

[Xerx]

Originally Posted by Meraki

Given the vast differences between the MkIs and the MkII/III I don't think confusing people is something to worry about. People will get on a train that indicates it's going to the right place.

I wouldn't expect China, but I hope that the Japanese manufacturers put up a good game and make Bombardier step up and compete. Their MkIII design for Vancouver feels lazy and cheap compared to the MkII if you ignore the larger windows.

I wouldn’t count the Chinese out, in the past decade they’ve been making a push into the North American market. They’ve already gotten a few orders in the States. I think they tried to make a bid in Montreal but their lack of experience with rubber-tyre metros disqualified them.

[Gordon]

Does Translink have more 40 ft novas that New Flyers, The city of Vancouver your rarely see a regular new Flyer? and the #7 Nanaimo Stn\Dunbar is a Diesel route for th next few months.