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Old Posted Oct 13, 2009, 11:34 PM
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ETS is fairly prompt with bus service into new or potentially high areas of activity. Windermere, for instance, already has bus service and is only a couple years old (and doesn't have a full build of "Currents @ Windermere" yet).

As others have stated, I too don't like this development at all. You can only use the land once barring future expropriation, and why would you want to go down that road anyways? Poor road accessibility (that interchange is deceiving), poor access to rapid transit (something you'd want with a 'campus'), little/no regard for the true cost of building here. Three strikes. You're out.
Agreed. This looks like another project that has quick bucks coming in but will end up costing the city more to maintain and care for in the long run.

On a similar thought - why exactly is this needed? We have two universities now (UofA and Grant Mac), as well as a buisness program at NAIT. I'm not even aware of whats offered at Concorida (is that Edmonton?), Kings, or NorQuest. Just seems like we don't need it.
     
     
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Agreed. This looks like another project that has quick bucks coming in but will end up costing the city more to maintain and care for in the long run.

On a similar thought - why exactly is this needed? We have two universities now (UofA and Grant Mac), as well as a buisness program at NAIT. I'm not even aware of whats offered at Concorida (is that Edmonton?), Kings, or NorQuest. Just seems like we don't need it.
It's a business campus, not a business school.
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2009, 3:47 AM
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LOOK OUT, IT IS COMING, THE ELLERSLIE BUSINESS CAMPUS CAMPUS CAMPUS!!!






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Ha, I can tell you that this project is going to look nothing like what is being marketed here. In fact, a very well known architecture firm has been retained to work on the masterplan. And they are not based out of Edmonton

FYI, to those who are already whining and saying that "We need to stop these types of developments", etc, etc...well suburban office and business parks exist and are going to continue to exist in Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver and the majority of cities around the world.

This site is ideally suited for this type of development given its proximity to the airport and access to major highways.
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Out of curiousity, how is ETS dealing with all the stuff outside Henday?

This place will obviously never get LRT. But how long until it gets bus service? And would that service just be a stop on Ellerslie or Parsons, or would it actually make a loop through paradise?
Transit service is extended as per plans endorsed by ETS. In some circumstances, developers pay for the first few years of transit as they find it helps establish a ridership base much faster versus waiting for ETS to extend service when a certain population threshold is achieved.
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It's a business campus, not a business school.
Ah okay, thanks for clearing this up. I was under the impression it was a school.
     
     
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FYI, to those who are already whining and saying that "We need to stop these types of developments", etc, etc...well suburban office and business parks exist and are going to continue to exist in Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver and the majority of cities around the world.
That doesn't make them a good idea or the best use of the land. At the very least we should be pushing for more mixed use developments, not more single-use developments that can only be connected by car.
     
     
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^concur in full, regardless of the trends.

I got to think again yesterday about how much investment and energy (not thought) goes into suburban tract land development and if even 25% of that could be redirected towards urban infill and development (with thought) how much better of a city we would be.

sad really
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Old schools create land surplus

18 vacant sites may be used for parks, libraries, affordable housing

BY GORDON KENT, EDMONTONJOURNAL.COMOCTOBER 14, 2009 6:38 AMCOMMENTS (2)


EDMONTON — The city will gain 18 vacant school sites that could be used for parks, libraries or more affordable housing under a move approved by the public board Tuesday night to declare the land surplus.

The sites, each about two to two-and-a-half hectares, are located in suburban neighbourhoods across Edmonton where the kids needed to justify a new school haven't materialized, Lorne Parker, the board's managing director of planning and student transportation, said Tuesday. It is one of the public board's largest single transfers of property in this fashion, a move which has been examined since last spring, he said.

"There was an expectation on everybody's part that the areas would be more fully developed than they did," Parker said, adding the properties were provided as part of the subdivision process and have been on the board's books since as far back as the 1970s.

"We needed to make sure we don't need them and, with the exception of some of the boom years, (the neighbourhood) build-out takes many years to reach its final stage."

The land is generally connected to a park. Although it may appear to be one big green space, the "envelope" provided for future school and parking lots is actually separate, Parker said.

Trustees unanimously agreed Tuesday to divest themselves of the properties. "If we have no need for these particular spaces, they should be declared surplus," trustee Ken Gibson said. "I think the main concern our board would be to ensure our community partners are aware of the proposed change."

Eleven of the 18 sites were set aside for junior highs, including Dunluce, Blue Quill and Lymburn, and seven for elementary schools in communities such as Kiniski Gardens (also losing a junior high site) and Ogilvie Ridge, according to a board report.

The other neighbourhoods involved are Miller, Belmont, Overlanders, Ermineskin, Keheewin, Sakaw, Henderson Estates, Bulyea Heights, Summerlea, Wedgewood Heights, Aldergrove and La Perle.

The city will receive the land for $1 and must consult with various groups and decide what's needed in each district, Coun. Karen Leibovici said.

"We have areas that need seniors' housing or a library or more housing. Those are the kinds of things we would have to consider."

One possibility is expanding Edmonton's First Place Home Ownership Program, which is using 20 surplus public and Catholic school sites to create up to 1,000 units of lower-cost housing for first-time buyers.

When it was approved in 2006, the plan met resistance in some neighbourhoods from residents upset by the lack of consultation and fearful of an influx of social housing and lost green space. But Leibovici said the program has provided homes for people who couldn't have bought them otherwise.

"With the downturn in the economy, it's not gone where it could be, but I think the program is a good program."

So far, a total of 85 townhouses have been approved for the first two sites developed in Greenview and Canon Ridge.

Out of the 65 offered for sale, 55 have been purchased or have deals pending, housing branch manager Terry Loat said.

While a decision on how to proceed with the rest of the program should be announced by the end of the year, he'd like the city to consider adding some of the new sites for future construction if appropriate.

"What we're seeing now are very successful projects with first-time home buyers, and a good income mix for the community."

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^disagree... well other than the massive sign area/2nd floor balcony wall.

I think it is far better done than many of the recent projects.
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^disagree... well other than the massive sign area/2nd floor balcony wall.

I think it is far better done than many of the recent projects.
That balcony could use some greenery, don't you think? If it weren't for those signs potentially in the way, I'd say something like vines that overhang the wall--even 2-3 feet or so, just to hide the bluntness of that stucco wall.
     
     
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I don't find Serenity to be that bad either, it's a small step in the right direction; but I still am saddened that is takes up such a killer spot on Jasper when it could have been something like this, this or this... the height doesn't necessarily need to be there either.

The hanging emoticon might have been a little dramatic

I don't know. Something that represents 2009; not 1994.
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I don't find Serenity to be that bad either, it's a small step in the right direction; but I still am saddened that is takes up such a killer spot on Jasper when it could have been something like this, this or this... the height doesn't necessarily need to be there either.

The hanging emoticon might have been a little dramatic

I don't know. Something that represents 2009; not 1994.

last one ok, but the others are 1994ish as well.

1994 is 2009 in Edmonton
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move the decimal over three places...
I could pay off my gas card, get my back waxed, buy some good cognac, buy lot of bad vodka..
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Transit service is extended as per plans endorsed by ETS. In some circumstances, developers pay for the first few years of transit as they find it helps establish a ridership base much faster versus waiting for ETS to extend service when a certain population threshold is achieved.
The Ellerslie/Summerside area doesn't even really have late service for the most part - no surprise here. The only ETS buses which come by there are the minibuses (Routes 78 & 79). I know - my sister just moved into the Summerside area, and while I respect her choice, there are times when I wish she'd had moved to the other side of Gateway. At least I'm glad she didn't move to Cameron Heights - there isn't any ETS service there!

I wonder what kind of a population threshold a new subdivision must have before its improved bus service? I know Edmonton has some newer suburban areas where residents there have had to wait years to get anything apart from peak hour ETS service. Sure, Ellerslie/Summerside will probably never get LRT service in my lifetime, but I'd like to at least see a similar degree of late night service to what you get in Millwoods and McEwan/Rutherford (on the other side of Gateway).

I've been noticing a lot of construction in the west side of Ellerslie while visiting my sister and her fiance there, and part of that might be part of the business campus.

BTW, Serenity's kind of meh IMO - the podium leaves a lot to be desired.
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