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City hears support for river access
Roads help maintain public's right to enjoy valley view


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Edmonton Journal

Thursday, October 08, 2009

A dozen speakers expressed general support Wednesday for a plan to change where development is allowed along the top of Edmonton's ravines and North Saskatchewan River valley.

The existing policy approved in 1970 was intended to follow the long-established practice of building roads on these "top of bank" areas, creating majestic Ada Boulevard and Saskatchewan Drive, according to a city report.

However, that hasn't happened in most subdivisions approved since 1985, because walkways have been allowed as replacements for roads, often behind private homes that limited public access and blocked the view.

Planners concerned about this interpretation have won support from 29 groups for a revised policy intended to preserve valley parks, prevent development encroachment, ensure people can reach the river bank and protect buildings from collapsing slopes.

In 1999, a luxury home on Whitemud Road slid down the valley wall and two adjacent houses had to be dismantled after their backyards were eaten away by groundwater flowing toward the river.

The proposed policy changes include reserving part of the top-of-bank land for roads, although some groups disagree about the amount of property that should be used.

But University of Alberta wildlife biologist Colleen Cassady St. Clair, a member of the Natural Areas Advisory Committee, said a road is an important buffer in these districts that protects animals and their habitat from people.

"A top-of-bank road is the only way of increasing the size of the setback from the natural areas."

However, developers are concerned the scheme could eat up too much of the land to which municipalities are legally entitled in a subdivision.

Losing this land would leave little space for neighbourhood parks, they say.

"There will be no places to kick balls," said Shane Erickson of the Urban Development Institute.

The proposal will be discussed next Wednesday by city council before being sent back to staff for further consultations.

But Bev Zubot of the Edmonton Federation of Community Leagues said her organization is pleased with the progress so far.

"This policy this time around seems to get it, that what we want is walkways that are integrated with our neighbourhoods, not these little walkways hidden behind the wall of development."

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Old Posted Oct 8, 2009, 11:31 PM
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I don't know about that, according to (the all knowing) Wikipedia you still have well over 100,000 to catch up by and that just matching them in size.

You'd have to have a population explosion plus more like Calgary has had, if you ever want to get to #5

So get to it! Viagra for everyone
Umm - hasn't the CMA of Edmonton actually been growing faster then the CMA of Calgary's over the last 2 years?
Why do Calgarians think that well they have been booming, Edmonton has been stagnate? That couldn't be further from the truth. Sure, we don't build office towers on speculation here... but that might be wise. Organic growth is good.
     
     
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Thanks to Google maps, I've now been able to visualize "hell"

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^Those don't look that bad, especially for suburbia. At least none of them have the dreaded front car garages.
     
     
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Umm - hasn't the CMA of Edmonton actually been growing faster then the CMA of Calgary's over the last 2 years?
Why do Calgarians think that well they have been booming, Edmonton has been stagnate? That couldn't be further from the truth. Sure, we don't build office towers on speculation here... but that might be wise. Organic growth is good.
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Edmonton grew faster than Calgary at last count
Edmonton grew more in the city census for 2009. In the Statscan estimations and the civic census for 2008 were higher for Calgary. Calgarians perception of Edmonton is partly due to the fact that it has only just started to boom. Calgary has had big numbers each year since the early 90's
     
     
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Yep, gotta love the McMansions (or their smaller cousins, "Wendy Winnebagos, sorry Dave Thomas...) with their bland neutral colours, perfect little detailings that the sixth house over has in duplicate...blah.

Blah blah blah.
     
     
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^ the one thing I see wrong in that type of neigborhood is the lack of trees
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^^ The paths leading up to the houses are made of cement blocks, grass is already growing between them. A sidewalk is on only one side of the street. It looks like everything was built on the cheap.
     
     
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Jasper Ave. 'grenades' face wrecking ball
$39 million downtown avenue remake could include end of medians


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Edmonton Journal

Friday, October 09, 2009

A $39-million plan to return Jasper Avenue to its glory days as Edmonton's main street could include tearing out the controversial medians put in 20 years ago.

The concrete-and-steel structures were intended to beautify the avenue when they were installed in the late 1980s, but many people thought they were ugly and intrusive, with one council critic calling them "bunkers with hand grenades at each end."

As the city looks at ways to make Jasper a pedestrian magnet, one idea is to take out these aging structures, opening the possibility that parades could run along the street again, urban designer Kristin Chrzanowski said Thursday.

"I don't think they have helped very much. They have disrupted the ability to use it as a public space," she said.

"If they stayed, they would have to be modernized. Right now they're pretty much empty planters with globes on them."

The vision for the Jasper Avenue area between 97th Street and 111th Street is of a bustling thoroughfare with cafes, shops and restaurants, wider sidewalks on the sunlit north side, curb lanes for cyclists, and more trees and benches, Chrzanowski said. "We're looking at everything from how to change the way traffic flows to dealing with surface parking lots, business activity on the street and bringing in people to live downtown, because you can't support those businesses without people going to them."

The project grew out of plans to refurbish the roof of the Central LRT station in 2012, work that will already disrupt some roads, Chrzanowski said.

Planners used this opportunity to consider ways of improving Jasper Avenue at the same time so it won't just be a route for traffic, she said.

The idea is to boost the downtown population and reduce sprawl, as well as creating a potential tourist attraction. "(We want)one definitive street for Edmonton that says 'this is what we are and who we are.' "

The estimated budget for the revitalization would cover curbs, lights, paving, furniture and trees, but doesn't include roadwork and upgrades on two blocks around the Central LRT station, according to a report.

Coun. Tony Caterina likes the concept, although he isn't sure it goes far enough.

He owned Michael's Clothiers on 101st Street north of Jasper in 1975-76, a time when he said independents ruled the downtown retail industry.

But the growth of suburban malls and the pedway system means many shoppers now won't go outside in bad weather, Caterina said.

"The pedway system is there. Certainly, we're not going to get rid of that, but there probably needs to be better planning for the buildings that are going up. The main floor has to be commercial, more so."

While Caterina said Jasper needs revitalization, his experience in the retail trade during downtown's heyday indicates upgrades alone won't be enough to bring the good times back. "They should be concentrating on getting merchants back on the street so people have a reason to be outside, and not just in the pedway system," he said.

"To bring people back on the street, you need something for people to attract them -clothiers and shoe shops."

The plan will be discussed Wednesday by city council. There were workshops on the scheme last April and June, with the next public meeting scheduled for Nov. 12.

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Video aims to inspire young people to make city great

Edmonton Journal

Friday, October 09, 2009

Doug Goss wants Edmontonians to see their city the same way he does, as a vibrant, forward-thinking hub of excellence.

To that end, the Edmonton lawyer and civic booster raised about $500,000 from seven stakeholders -the City of Edmonton, Province of Alberta, NAIT, University of Alberta, Grant MacEwan University, Norquest College and Alberta Health Services --to produce a 27-minute video entitled "Edmonton 2030--It's Our Time," which will be broadcast on Citytv and Global Edmonton on Thanksgiving Day.

"It's a provocative piece about the future of our city," said Goss, who also chairs the NAIT board of governors, co-chairs the 2010 Grey Cup committee and chaired the Heritage Classic committee. "The imaging is very powerful. The punchline on it is, the time is now to be great. We're talking about a vision of a green city, of ending homelessness, of continuing world-class research, a vibrant downtown, everything it can be."

Goss said he began envisioning the piece in May 2008. He was a member of the Capital Health board at the time and was inspired by the opening of the Mazankowski Alberta Heart Institute.

"Why don't we think about building a visionary piece?Let's challenge Edmontonians to think big about what their city could be like," he said he thought at the time.

Goss engaged the post-secondary institutions in the project because the central theme of the piece, dream big and make it happen right here at home, is aimed primarily at young people. The video debuted in Edmonton Public and Catholic schools last May as part of a homework assignment and was simulcast on Access TV at the same time.

"It's my kids, your kids," Goss said. "We want every kid who goes to school in Edmonton to say, 'Anything I want to accomplish I can do it right here. I don't have to go to Harvard.' You'll see that theme over and over."

He thinks the city and province can also use the video as a marketing tool.

"The province is always marketing in foreign markets for the right people. This piece says, here is a city of the future."

Mayor Stephen Mandel used clips from the video to kick off his State of the City address last May, as did Premier Ed Stelmach at the Edmonton Premier's Dinner last April. "The video is right.

It is our time to imagine, to grow ideas. And to dream," Mandel said at the time, in his opening remarks.

The video is narrated by former Oilers and current CBC hockey analyst Craig Simpson. Goss created the project, which was produced by Don Metz of Aquila Productions. It includes a vision of the downtown core, including a boardwalk in the river valley and a sports and entertainment district.

"We put the downtown entertainment centre right on the riverbank, above the Convention Centre," said Goss. "Where the Hardware Grill is, that's where we stuck it."

Metz said the location of the sports and entertainment district in the video has nothing to do with the current discussion on a downtown arena. "If I was to have an arena, this is where I would put it," he said.
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your numbers were only slightly higher in population gains. How come you folks down south always think that Edmonton hasn't been growing nearly as fast as Calgary? Since the 90's we've only been a few points behind... gaining nearly as much as you in population every year...
     
     
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On a slightly different topic Google streets is out and we see Calgary as well as Vancouver as active. What about Edmonton?

Pardon the generalization but Why are we always behind or left out?
     
     
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your numbers were only slightly higher in population gains. How come you folks down south always think that Edmonton hasn't been growing nearly as fast as Calgary? Since the 90's we've only been a few points behind... gaining nearly as much as you in population every year...
That hasn't been the case all through the 90's and up to now. In the 1991 census Edmonton's metro was bigger by almost 90,000 people, and now smaller by about 40,000 people. A differential of 130,000 people over 15 years.
Also if you include the growth to the south of the city (places like Okotoks, High River, etc..) which aren't in the CMA yet, the number differential would be around 150,000 people.

That's not too say Edmonton isn't booming, but Calgary has gained 130,000 - 150,000 people over Edmonton in that 15 year period. That's a significant swing no matter how you look at it.

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^Those don't look that bad, especially for suburbia. At least none of them have the dreaded front car garages.
no front garages = good but still
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The Cowtowners seem to be getting a little uppity now that Edmonton's population growth has caught up and surpassed Calgarys' over the past few years.

Populations in NA always ebb and flow, depending mostly on economic opportunities. Seeing as Edmonton has some of the largest scale industrial projects in North America to the north of us, I'd expect continued strong growth.

Anyways, lets move on. This is the Edmonton construction forum, yes ? Can anyone access the ECA ? My password has expired.
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Pardon the generalization but Why are we always behind or left out?
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