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Old Posted Jul 2, 2026, 9:20 PM
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Not a city, but the Golden Horseshoe (which includes the GTA) is essentially the hockey capital of the world.

The fact that Toronto still ranks the top city while not even having a sniff of a cup in 59 years is pretty incredible. Hard to imagine how much more hockey ingrained it would be if Toronto had even half the amount of success Montreal or Edmonton had during that span.
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Its interesting how much scrutiny Toronto gets when it (rightfully) gets placed at the top of these lists, but for some reason the same level of critical thinking never gets applied to the alternatives.

Who was the last great player to come out from the Montreal area? Nearly 40 year-old Kris Letang? Maybe Huberdeau? OTOH a list of currently active GTAHL grads would be a whose who of number one draft picks and basically be all star team.

There are 3 OHL teams in the GTA vs one in Montreal, and all 3 outdraw or match the Armada for crowds.

Montreal is a Habs city. Toronto is a hockey city.

I think hockey is a bigger part of the culture in Winnipeg and Montreal than it is in Toronto. The GTA might have produced a large number of NHLers, but is hockey really a big part of the average Torontonian’s life?

I must say tho, Toronto does have an impressive list of over 50 public outdoor hockey rinks with boards and artificial refrigeration. Saint John doesn’t have a single one with boards left standing, we’re around 1/47th the size of Toronto. No wonder Saint John hasn’t produced any NHLers in recent years.

Ice hockey is still Canada’s national pastime… there shouldn’t be a single CMA in Canada without publicly accessible outdoor hockey rinks for people to use each winter. If the PM actually delivers on his promise to establish 15 new national urban parks across the country, I think every park should have ice hockey and lacrosse facilities within their borders, since those are are two national sports.

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Ice hockey is still Canada’s national pastime… there shouldn’t be a single CMA in Canada without publicly accessible outdoor hockey rinks for people to use each winter. If the PM actually delivers on his promise to establish 15 new national urban parks across the country, I think every park should have ice hockey and lacrosse facilities within their borders, since those are are two national sports.
Both Montreal and Toronto are great hockey cities, but if any city finds the need to declare or argue it's the greatest in anything then it's probably not.

One thing I always found annoying about the folksy HNIC intros, stories, etc. is the small town Canada kids playing on a frozen lake or river, backyard rink, etc as the heart beat/origin story of hockey in Canada. Sure that was the case more so in the past, but how much of a case is that now? And more to my point is that has zero traditional or relevance in a lot of coastal BC. Would it kill them to occasionally throw in a few scenes of street hockey which is applicable across the nation. Outdoor rinks in winter don't exist in Victoria, how could they. There are no lakes or rivers that freeze to skate on either. The only area that might freeze every few years for a couple days is a marshy grassland area called Panama Flats, a bird sanctuary. It needs to flood first with a good amount of rain and then pray for a few days of really cold weather. And then avoid the spots of grass poking up through the ice.



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^Victoria is un-Canadian.


Hey, what do these names have in common?
Hitchcock, Woodcroft, Knoblauch, Babcock …
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^Victoria is un-Canadian.


Hey, what do these names have in common?
Hitchcock, Woodcroft, Knoblauch, Babcock …
You forgot Tippet from 2020 to 2022. Which also fits in your theme..

And yes, it might be easier to finally declare the Republic of Vancouver Island and give up on having Canada accept/consider us.
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^ Ha - yeah you’re right.
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Both Montreal and Toronto are great hockey cities, but if any city finds the need to declare or argue it's the greatest in anything then it's probably not.

One thing I always found annoying about the folksy HNIC intros, stories, etc. is the small town Canada kids playing on a frozen lake or river, backyard rink, etc as the heart beat/origin story of hockey in Canada. Sure that was the case more so in the past, but how much of a case is that now? And more to my point is that has zero traditional or relevance in a lot of coastal BC. Would it kill them to occasionally throw in a few scenes of street hockey which is applicable across the nation. Outdoor rinks in winter don't exist in Victoria, how could they. There are no lakes or rivers that freeze to skate on either. The only area that might freeze every few years for a couple days is a marshy grassland area called Panama Flats, a bird sanctuary. It needs to flood first with a good amount of rain and then pray for a few days of really cold weather. And then avoid the spots of grass poking up through the ice.



Panama Flats by Petr Havlik, on Flickr
If Toronto can pay for 47 outdoor rinks with artificial refrigeration, surely Victoria could afford to invest in some outdoor rinks like that too?

I guess the rain would be the biggest issue, maybe outdoor rinks in Victoria would need a roof.




We got quite a nice outdoor hockey facility built as a Legacy project for SJ hosting the 2022 Memorial Cup… but the city claims the Department of Transportation won’t let them flood it in the winter, because of the above viaduct and the risk of falling ice and snow. A roof would take care of that problem, as well as the frequent winter rain in SJ. It would be better to build a purpose built outdoor rink elsewhere with a proper ice plant to begin with, but this thing cost nearly half a million dollars and we keep it locked up all winter. Now that’s un-Canadian!

Cities like Winnipeg and Regina don’t need to worry about the cost of artificial refrigeration for outdoor rinks since their winter climates are so cold. I think Montreal has a leg up on Toronto as a hockey city since Montreal has much longer, colder winters than Toronto.

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I think the outdoor rink has a rightly important place in Canadian history. This interview with the formerly great Bobby Orr was an incredible reflection on everything that’s gone wrong with Canada’s relationship with hockey.

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I think Canada has a long way to get back to its roots where the game of hockey was such an important part of the national fabric and cultural identity, but it’s worth investing in making the game more accessible and affordable to Canadians. It’s very unfortunate that hockey has mainly become a sport for the children of the upper middle class and the ultra talented, but it doesn’t have to stay that way forever. We just need to invest far more back into the grass roots of the game, instead of the ultra organized, ultra competitive side of the game that has taken up the bulk focus of Canada’s hockey attention for the past few generations now… sure wasn’t like that when Bobby Orr was a kid!
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This CBC article has some good insights into outdoor rinks, climate change, etc. in Canada. North Vancouver has a skating plaza, not rink, but the expense and complexity of it makes it only feasible as a destination attraction, not for community rinks, at least in this climate.

Most kids here play on the street or the tennis courts. Funny how tennis has really dropped in terms of participate popularity in Canada, or so it appears compared to 20-40 years ago.

Anyways, back to NHL talk - can't believe after a great draft San Jose took on the full amount of Nurse's salary, what's that all about..

And Canucks playing the patient long game, getting a protected first round pick in 2030, which could get pushed back to 2031! Lol.
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I asked Chat to weigh in, lol. Never heard the term Vatican of Hockey before.

There is no single universally recognized, officially designated "Hockey Capital of the World," but a few cities and locations hold major claims to the title:

Toronto, Ontario: Often referred to as the "Center of the Hockey Universe" or the Vatican of hockey. It is home to the Hockey Hall of Fame, the headquarters of the NHL, and the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Montreal, Quebec: Widely considered the historical "Mecca" of hockey. The Montreal Canadiens are the most storied franchise in NHL history, and the city holds deep roots in the sport's origins.

Warroad, Minnesota: Officially trademarked as "Hockeytown USA." This small town near the Canadian border is famous for producing a disproportionately high number of NHL players and Olympic athletes.
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Playing hockey in Toronto is as popular as ever for those that can afford it. Those that can afford it represent a smaller and smaller percentage of the overall population. (not necessarily fewer potential participants)

The Leafs and the rest remain popular however debatable if they are as dominating in the culture (outside of playoff rounds) as 20 years ago and longer.
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You cannot find rink time in Edmonton.

We often play men's league in the 930-1130pm window due to a lack of avails.
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Holy shit. Flyers offersheeting Leo Carlsson for 18M AAV.

That's twice as high as Demidov's contract signed 3 days ago. Both players had approximately the same number of pts last year and Demidov is 1 year younger.
Also Carlsson's contract walks him straight to UFA. Demidov's contract buys 3 UFA years.

Hughes is really a master at contract negotiations. It pays to be an ex-agent.

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Now now, sir.. remember the hype over Kovalev?
It's a fair contract even if for some unknown reason he never improves. 63 pts playing with non top 6 forwards. Definitely worth the money.
But considering him and Hutson breath, eat and sleep at the rink, no reason to think they will not keep improving.

Kovalev was much older when he came to the Habs so it's not the best comparison.
Better comparison would be Galchenyuk. 3rd overall pick making the team at 18. However the talent level and work ethic is night and day. Galchenyuk never hit 60 pts in his peak season something Demidov did in his 1st season at 19/20.
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