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Old Posted Jan 21, 2026, 5:21 AM
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Unless scope creep forces it to be SkyTrain-compatible, in which case 40+ trains an hour requires them to come up with something else.
I meant a replacement for the heavy rail bridge, not SkyTrain.
Conceivably, a new bridge could handle all 3 modes.
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I meant a replacement for the heavy rail bridge, not SkyTrain.
Conceivably, a new bridge could handle all 3 modes.
Same problem though - a rail bridge has to be low and movable, while a SkyTrain/road bridge needs to be higher up and immovable. At which point does the province give up and build two or three separate bridges instead?
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Same problem though - a rail bridge has to be low and movable, while a SkyTrain/road bridge needs to be higher up and immovable. At which point does the province give up and build two or three separate bridges instead?
SkyTrain can be higher level like the SkyBridge in New Westminster, starting off high around Cassiar and having a gradient to Phibbs Exchange.
So it could be at or near the road deck.
The Burrard Inlet Rapid Transit study suggested the north approach of a new bridge would be 3.99%.

The heavy rail bridge needs to be at the level of the Thornton Tunnel and stay low with a swing/lift span.


https://news.gov.bc.ca/files/9-15_Burrard_Inlet_study.pdf

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Old Posted Feb 25, 2026, 5:20 AM
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Burrard Inlet's lift rail bridge stuck, unable to open for large ships to pass through Second Narrows for days

The malfunction first began over the weekend, with the initial bulletin to customers and stakeholders, shared with Daily Hive Urbanized, stating that “limited rail service to the North Shore is expected to continue as repair windows allow,” and that “no commercial marine vessels (deep-sea ships, tugs, barges) can transit through the Second Narrows until repairs are complete and operations resume.”

A bulletin on Monday providing an update on the situation states there were continued impacts to marine vessels, but rail service has been largely unaffected, with some bridge closures to support the repair work.

In a bulletin on Tuesday, it was advised that there were delays to the repair work, with normal bridge operations now anticipated to resume Wednesday afternoon.

“In preparation for the resumption of marine transits east of the Second Narrows, the port authority is working closely with the Pacific Pilotage Authority and other stakeholders to finalize plans to restore transit fluidity safely and efficiently once bridge repairs are complete,” reads Tuesday’s bulletin.
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/second-narrows-rail-bridge-malfunction
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2026, 9:13 PM
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Broken Metro Vancouver rail bridge repaired

As of Thursday morning, the CN Second Narrows Rail Bridge is back in operation after being stuck in the lowered position since the weekend.
https://www.biv.com/news/transportation/...ching-metro-vancouver-terminals-11927081
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2026, 11:39 PM
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A SkyTrain can get away with a grade like the SkyBridge because its propulsion allows for grades in excess of 10% and is helped by it not needing to return to ground level on the Surrey side.
A Diesel/electric combination of any length weighs considerably more and has nowhere near the propulsion to handle much more than a 5% grade.

A replacement rail bridge high enough to clear any cargo traffic is a dream if not because the Thornton Tunnel portal would have to be completely rebuilt to add a grade inside the tunnel to make up for the lack of outdoor grading, which isn't itself possible due to existing structures above it. Your only practical replacement of the bridge is an extension from CP's existing line in Port Moody. You'll never see it. People paid millions for their waterfront views and they'll crucify you, economy be damned.
Hell, the only other connection to north vancouver is through Pemberton and I don't think the old BC Rail line connects to anything on the CN or CP mainlines.
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Old Posted Feb 28, 2026, 1:35 AM
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Seaspan shipped off one of its floating drydocks on a carrier ship to Indonesia for refurbishment:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DU_nc1pkkUS/?img_index=1&igsh=MXJtb3V4NHI2ZXR4aA%3D%3D

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Old Posted Feb 28, 2026, 1:38 AM
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Seaspan shipped off one of its floating drydocks on a carrier ship to Thailand for refurbishment:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DU_nc1pkkUS/?img_index=1&igsh=MXJtb3V4NHI2ZXR4aA%3D%3D
Indonesia and it's expected back this summer.
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Old Posted Feb 28, 2026, 1:47 AM
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Indonesia and it's expected back this summer.
Thanks for the correction.
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Old Posted May 17, 2026, 3:38 PM
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I always assumed they already had a pipeline to the terminal.

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LNG bunkering fuels $3B expansion at Tilbury Island

Of the half-dozen liquefied natural gas plants either built, under construction or in development in B.C., all but one are focused on exports.

FortisBC’s Tilbury Island LNG plant expansion is focused almost exclusively on marine transportation fuelling.

As more ships convert from heavy fuel oil to cleaner-burning natural gas, there is a growing business case for liquefied natural gas bunkering in the Port of Vancouver.

“This is a growing market,” said Harly Penner, president of Seaspan Energy, which provides the fuelling vessels that deliver LNG to ships.

“We do have the ability to open up a new market in Vancouver. We already deliver to cruise [ships], tankers, container ships, car carriers. We’re already doing that work now, and we’ll just have to continue to work with the Port of Vancouver to do more.”

Last month, FortisBC Inc. marked a milestone in its growing marine bunkering market. As of April 23, it had made 10,000 LNG fuel deliveries since 2016.

Most of those deliveries were to BC Ferries and Seaspan Ferries, both of which operate ferries powered by natural gas.

But there's a bigger market out there for LNG bunkering, and FortisBC is hoping to capture some of it with a $3-billion investment in a new marine jetty, and additional liquefaction and storage capacity at Tilbury Island.

As the global marine sector moves to decarbonize shipping, LNG has emerged as the top alternative fuel of choice.

According to industry coalition SEA-LNG, 79 per cent of new orders for alternative shipping fuels in 2025 were for LNG. According to classification society DNV, there are now 800 vessels globally that can burn natural gas, with 600 more vessels on order.

Seaspan Energy Ltd. operates three LNG fuelling vessels out of Vancouver, with the ships roaming as far as Long Beach California.

"They've done an excellent job of helping to bring some of the necessary fuelling infrastructure into the port,” said Ian Finke, FortisBC's director of LNG commercial and capital development.

The LNG comes from FortisBC’s Tilbury Island plant, which will undergo an expansion.

Currently, LNG from the plant is transferred to Seaspan Energy bunkering barges via trucks and ISO containers.

The Tilbury Island marine jetty will cut this additional step out of the fuelling process supply chain, as the LNG will be delivered directly to fuelling vessels.

The marine jetty was granted an environmental certificate last year. Construction is expected to start next year and be in service by the end of 2029.

As for the Tilbury Island plant’s expansion, there are two phases to it.

The first phase would bring production up from the current 250,000 tonnes per annum to 900,000. A second phase expansion would bring total production to 2.5 million tonnes per annum.

The expansion plans are now in the final stage of a BC Environmental Assessment Act review.

The expansion includes a new three-billion cubic feet storage tank. The storage tank alone represents a $1-billion investment.

In total, FortisBC plans to spend $3-billion on the marine jetty, storage tank and first phase expansion of liquefaction capacity.

"Conservatively, we believe the [LNG bunkering] market can reach 900,000 tonnes by 2030, and it can continue to grow well beyond that into 2035 and beyond,” Finke said.
https://www.biv.com/news/resources-agric...-3b-expansion-at-tilbury-island-12256257
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2026, 5:55 AM
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Dredging starts in September to allow tankers to leave at full capacity near the Second Narrows Bridge

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2026/06/24...proved-to-make-room-for-big-oil-tankers/
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Old Posted Jun 25, 2026, 5:37 PM
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A SkyTrain can get away with a grade like the SkyBridge because its propulsion allows for grades in excess of 10% and is helped by it not needing to return to ground level on the Surrey side.
A Diesel/electric combination of any length weighs considerably more and has nowhere near the propulsion to handle much more than a 5% grade.

A replacement rail bridge high enough to clear any cargo traffic is a dream if not because the Thornton Tunnel portal would have to be completely rebuilt to add a grade inside the tunnel to make up for the lack of outdoor grading, which isn't itself possible due to existing structures above it. Your only practical replacement of the bridge is an extension from CP's existing line in Port Moody. You'll never see it. People paid millions for their waterfront views and they'll crucify you, economy be damned.
Hell, the only other connection to north vancouver is through Pemberton and I don't think the old BC Rail line connects to anything on the CN or CP mainlines.
There could be a bored rail tunnel at Second Narrows, although it would have to be quite long for the grades to work. The Second Narrows Water Supply Tunnel was bored just over from the bridges at around 60 m below sea level.

The South End wouldn't be that hard to figure out for connections. The north end would be a bit more complicated to bring back up to surface.
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There could be a bored rail tunnel at Second Narrows, although it would have to be quite long for the grades to work. The Second Narrows Water Supply Tunnel was bored just over from the bridges at around 60 m below sea level.

The South End wouldn't be that hard to figure out for connections. The north end would be a bit more complicated to bring back up to surface.
Want to make everyone and their dog angry? Extend the CP Ioco spur in Port Moody all the way around Admiralty Point to a crossing from Cod Rock to Cates Park, then cross North Vancouver below the Tsleil-Waututh reserve and through the Wild Bird Trust lands to eventually connect back up with the CN line on the north side of the Second Narrows in the Squamish reserve. Make sure to increase rail traffic through Port Moody and North Vancouver until people get really happy with you!
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Want to make everyone and their dog angry? Extend the CP Ioco spur in Port Moody all the way around Admiralty Point to a crossing from Cod Rock to Cates Park, then cross North Vancouver below the Tsleil-Waututh reserve and through the Wild Bird Trust lands to eventually connect back up with the CN line on the north side of the Second Narrows in the Squamish reserve. Make sure to increase rail traffic through Port Moody and North Vancouver until people get really happy with you!
The amount of stink that would raise would be astronomical. Funny to think about
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$10B federal commitment announced for the expansion of Roberts Bank (Delta Port 2). The port will also serve as the export terminal for the new pipeline that was announced would be referred to the Major Projects Office.
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$10B federal commitment announced for the expansion of Roberts Bank (Delta Port 2). The port will also serve as the export terminal for the new pipeline that was announced would be referred to the Major Projects Office.
Interesting development considering RBT2 was supposed to be a three berth container-only terminal. Are they saying they don't think they'll need a third berth anymore or will this be an expansion beyond the current design? DP4 back on the table perhaps?
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Interesting development considering RBT2 was supposed to be a three berth container-only terminal. Are they saying they don't think they'll need a third berth anymore or will this be an expansion beyond the current design? DP4 back on the table perhaps?
The $10 billion seems like it's just for the container terminal and the crude oil berths will be something different.

The Alberta application mentions two new berths with a tank farm with 7 million barrels of capacity. In the diagram they seem to have one of the remote jetties versus having the berth next to land.

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The Marine Facility will include a causeway, jetty, berthing area, utility berth and offshore marine facility.
Two marine berths will be designed to support very large crude carrier vessels (VLCCs), which have a
capacity between 1.9 and 2.2 million bbl. The length of the causeway and jetty would be approximately
5,000 metres (m). The onshore component of the marine facility will be located at the shoreline of the jetty
and include Western Canada Marine Response Corporation (WCMRC) infrastructure, such as an office/
warehouse building, storage facilities and a recovered product transfer station/pump
https://open.alberta.ca/publications/west-coast-oil-pipeline-project
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Thanks for this, so from what I gather this new terminal will be between the ferry terminal and Westshore. I wonder if it will allow for DP4 in the future then.
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Reading about these developments and thinking about the port a bit made me wonder about something... Roberts Bank seems a bit exposed to the weather conditions in the Strait compared to Burrard Inlet. Are there any issues with that? When we have the kind of rough seas that cause the ferries to be cancelled, what happens with the ships at dock at Roberts Bank?
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2026, 4:21 AM
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I missed this but I guess DP4 isn't a priority with this alliance on building Terminal 2

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/roberts-...er-fraser-port-authority-gct-partnership

I mean the weather isn't probably as protected as Burrard Inlet but I assume it's probably like 10 days a year where they would just wait it out. This article mentions 120-150 tankers to service a 1 million barrel pipeline.

https://resourceworks.com/the-accidental-corridor/
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