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Originally Posted by iheartthed
No, this is not true. Passengers transferring subway lines are not counted twice.
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They are counted twice when transferring in APTA figures used by Yuri for New York City in the list.
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The data items are reported as the number of unlinked passenger trips. Unlinked passenger trips are defined as the number of passengers who board public transportation vehicles. Passengers are counted each time they board vehicles no matter how many vehicles they use to travel from their origin to their destination.
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https://www.apta.com/news-research/public-transit-statistics/ridership-data/
If you look the 2024 unlinked ridership figure for New York subway, the number is 2,040,132.0 million.
https://www.apta.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/2025-Q4-Ridership-APTA.pdf
Yuri is not to blame for this error, he just used Wikipedia where they don't clearly differiate. It's almost a comparison of apples and oranges.
Thid is a tricky difference that only transit geeks or specialists know.
To better understand.
If I take line 7 and line 1 in New York subway in my commute to work, I'm counted as two passengers. What is called unlinked passenger trips.
However in Paris metro data, if I use line 7 and line 1 of Paris metro in my commute to work, I'm counted as just one passenger.
I've used Paris here but this is how ridership data are calculated in most subway systems, same in London. A subway trip that include a transfer is counted as just one subway trip.
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Originally Posted by Crawford
No. Your own link shows NYC subway had nearly 4 million paid riders in 2024. These are unique trips, and not double counting for transfers, like in the APTA numbers. Also not including free riders like employees, schoolchildren and obviously those evading fares.
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My point was about the figure used in the list, not the figure on the MTA website link I've posted in my previous post.
The MTA link shows figures like they are calculated in most subway network all around the world. Fare collection figure.