Trans Canada Highway Twinning: Segments U/C

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by craner

Guilbeault is gone!
Guilbeault is gone!

Maybe the dream of a continuous dual carriageway from Vancouver to Calgary can be resurrected,

[craner]

Yes - one can dream.

[TorontoDrew]

Removed

[ericmacm]

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

Just got chatgpt to create this map of the Ontario's northerm most section of the hwy.

trans_Canada _Northern Bottleneck by Andrew Moore, on Flickr

I am sorry but this map is not even close to being an accurate representation of that section of highway. For starters, there are 2 Thunder Bays on the map, the route is not actually a straight line, and Kakabeka Falls is not supposed to be on the lake.

[Marshsparrow]

Originally Posted by ericmacm

I am sorry but this map is not even close to being an accurate representation of that section of highway. For starters, there are 2 Thunder Bays on the map, the route is not actually a straight line, and Kakabeka Falls is not supposed to be on the lake.

Thunder Bay to Kenora is like 500km - won't see twinning this century.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

Thunder Bay to Kenora is like 500km - won't see twinning this century.

It depends on which stretch you’re talking about:
The choke point out to Shabaqua Corners - likely, especially with detailed design from T Bay to Kakabeka Falls underway;
Dryden - iffy, but not too unlikely if traffic lights really slow things down, since the bypass has been designed;
Around Kenora - iffy, but not too unlikely because there’s a choke point of 500 m from Longbow Lake Road to Highway 71;
The rest - unlikely.

The first two are all publicly available information, by the way.

[ericmacm]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

Thunder Bay to Kenora is like 500km - won't see twinning this century.

Yeah I personally don’t see the giant ~500km stretch between Kenora and Kakabeka Falls getting twinned for a very long time. There is priority being given to the sections between the border and Kenora, along with the existing twinning efforts between Thunder Bay and Nipigon, and now the new addition of the segment between Thunder Bay and Kakabeka Falls. I could see a twinning of the Kenora Bypass eventually entering the planning phase in the near future, but not until after the Border-Kenora and Thunder Bay-Nipigon sections are complete, which will be post-2030.

The natural next step after that in my view will be finishing HWY 400 to Sudbury, and working on the twinning of HWY 17 between Sudbury and Sault Ste Marie.

[yotajoe]

Originally Posted by ericmacm

The natural next step after that in my view will be finishing HWY 400 to Sudbury, and working on the twinning of HWY 17 between Sudbury and Sault Ste Marie.

Imo Ontario will likely finish the 400 and twin HWY 17 through the Ottawa Valley (To Pembroke hopefully) at the same time before touching the 17 near Sudbury.

I know there we're annoucements a while back that once the 400 reaches Sudbury, work will commence on twining the 17 east from Sudbury towards North Bay.

[Dengler Avenue]

^ Extension of Highway 400 is tricky: @swimmer_spe (banned a long time ago) and I suspect that the 3 FN’s through which the future Highway 400 must pass list conditions that the current ONPC government cannot agree to. That may be the hold-up. In turn, this may be holding up the twinning of Highway 17 around Sudbury.

Also, eastward, the divided 4 lanes are only planned up to Markstay, which, conveniently, is on the western limit of Nipissing FN’s traditional territory. I did email Nipissing 10 to ask what MTO planned for the divided 4 lanes between Sturgeon Falls and North Bay, but they haven’t replied (a week later)…

Eastward, the divided 4 lanes have been planned from North Bay (Algonquin Avenue) to KM 1759 (near Nipissing - Renfrew Boundary), then there’s a 108-km gap with no planning whatsoever, then the planned freeway picks up again a bit north of Petawawa (Paquette Road, Highway 17 KM 1868) until 417.

[haljackey]

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

Just got chatgpt to create this map of the Ontario's northerm most section of the hwy.

Get this AI slop outa here. It hurts my brain looking at it. So much is wrong it's not worth even thinking about listing it.

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by haljackey

Get this AI slop outa here. It hurts my brain looking at it. So much is wrong it's not worth even thinking about listing it.

Say please.

[biguc]

Please

[Spocket]

Please, with some dignity on top.

[Metro-One]

Please.

It’s awful.

Recently I have seen social media flooded with AI generated maps and graphs, and they are always wrong / full of errors.

In my GIS degree cartography is a major component, and these AI maps / graphs ALWAYS have legends and symbols that are beyond error ridden. Poor projections that are often completely distorted / fantasy. Etc…

It’s garbage.

Get it out of here.

[MonctonRad]

And some people want AI to give them medical advice and to interpret their x-rays and lab results.

The era of the automatic doctor isn't here just yet. AI remains just a tool.

[Taeolas]

I've always seen AI as a tool myself. Only really started using it a bit more recently; but I keep very strict guardrails on it while I'm developing code. I make sure I know exactly what I want and review what it is proposing to make sure it has done exactly what I would have done.

For chugging through some code refactoring or expanding functionality on stuff with a well defined framework it's nice. It certainly removes a lot of the tedium, when I've solved the problem and just need to go through the motions to implement the fix.

But no way in hell would I go full vibe coding and tell it "Make me a new App that does X."

[Dengler Avenue]

I once asked one of the AI’s to generate an image of a 4-lane divided TCH between North Bay and Sudbury, and it gave me something that looked straight out of Norway.
The Shield part was on point, with boreal forests.
The divided freeway with narrow median? That’s Norway, not Ontario.

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

And some people want AI to give them medical advice and to interpret their x-rays and lab results.

The era of the automatic doctor isn't here just yet. AI remains just a tool.

I have your test results and it looks like you have two Thunder Bays and only a partially twinned Highway 1 north of something resembling Lake Superior. It is time to make your final arrangements.

[Dengler Avenue]

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=229872&page=82 #1629
It’s interesting to note that the Ontario provincial government did request federal aid to accelerate twinning.

[Mr Tall Forehead]

Our national highway is closed because on an accident in NW ON again. This time by Clearwater Bay. There has to be a couple hundred semi trucks stopped and idling in both directions. The Feds need to step up and help the provinces twin the problem areas.