Canadian Spaceport Thread

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

I'm sorry for the long delay in responding.

There are other places in Canada where a failed launch could splash down. To me it's about the latitude more than anything - closer to the equator is more economical for launches, because they can take advantage of the Earth's rotation to provide an energy boost. So I think we should be negotiating with a Caribbean nation to host our launch site. I was not intending to offend the Atlantic provinces.

This country has a history of spreading the money around (not just internally... e.g., I expect that our 12 boat sub program will end up split between the South Korean and German bidders, because we only have 4 now so if we can get 6 of each type we'll have an advantage vs. before, regardless of the extra costs to support two different models).

Not if one of the goals is greater self-reliance.

[casper]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Not if one of the goals is greater self-reliance.

If we are going to negotiate with Caribbean Nations, perhaps we should indicate we are open to them becoming territories of Canada. See if there any takers.

The world over the past year has become very dangerous for small independent countries.

After Greenland it is clear no European overseas territory is going to consider independence any time soon.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by casper

If we are going to negotiate with Caribbean Nations, perhaps we should indicate we are open to them becoming territories of Canada. See if there any takers.

The world over the past year has become very dangerous for small independent countries.

After Greenland it is clear no European overseas territory is going to consider independence any time soon.

A Canadian fantasy. I can't imagine any Caribbean country wanting to be absorbed by Canada.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

A Canadian fantasy. I can't imagine any Caribbean country wanting to be absorbed by Canada.

Turks & Caicos???

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Turks & Caicos???

That has always been more a Canadian idea than a T&C one.

[casper]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

That has always been more a Canadian idea than a T&C one.

Lets see how things turn out with Trump and his "team". It is becoming a dangerous place to an independent country near the US.

I think we should be open to talking about it, but the push has to come from the other side.

[YOWetal]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

That has always been more a Canadian idea than a T&C one.

Pretty sure it's the opposite it was historically their initiative with pensions, healthcare and defence making it too expensive for Canada. Doing it now to get a spaceport seems a bit of a misnomer.

[someone123]

I always found the Turks and Caicos discussion depressing because on one side there was the benighted bean counter mentality, and on the other there was the low information left concern about colonialism, as if this is comparable to Jamaica or Puerto Rico circa 1900.

I think the payoff in having a domestic tropical area is large and difficult to quantify. It would allow Canadian snowbirds and remote workers to have a stable place to set up and would have many other applications like perhaps this spaceport. In general there is an advantage to having more geographical diversity in your country and it's likely going to become more important with the way the world is going. T&C are quite small though, so I wonder if they'd just get swamped with Canadian tourism and real estate speculation.

[Innsertnamehere]

Turks and Caicos isn’t *that* small.

Becoming Canadian territory would definitely make it more developed and lead to an increase in demand but probably not as much as you would initially think. It’s not like Puerto Rico is flooded by US tourism demand, though Americans do have more options, they still love to buy and travel in Mexico a lot.

[someone123]

The land area is under 1,000 square kilometers and a lot of that is not developable.

If there were direct flights from Canadian cities and no passport required I think demand would be incomparable to US Caribbean islands because Canada has no equivalent of Florida, California, Hawaii, etc.

[casper]

Originally Posted by someone123

The land area is under 1,000 square kilometers and a lot of that is not developable.

If there were direct flights from Canadian cities and no passport required I think demand would be incomparable to US Caribbean islands because Canada has no equivalent of Florida, California, Hawaii, etc.

I would agree. If we are comparing to the US, it would likely become more like Hawaii.

It would provide a "home-base" for Canadian companies wanting to do business in the region.

Its is not that uncommon. Australia and New Zeeland both have territories.

But again, it has to be the territory wanting to join, not us imposing it on them.

[Arrdeeharharharbour]

The closeness of Hati/DR may make Turks and Caicos a poor spot to locate a spaceport. The vast swath of open ocean off of Canso is one of the factors making it uniquely ideal for a spaceport in North America. But I do like the idea of Canada having territory in the Caribbean. Maybe we should make a play for Cuba before the US takes it?

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Arrdeeharharharbour

Maybe we should make a play for Cuba before the US takes it?

I'm sure the Cubans would be up for that!

[Bishop2047]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I'm sure the Cubans would be up for that!

We could set Justin T up as governor. He is Fidel's son right?? Sorry I only get my news from my aunt's Facebook.

[casper]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I'm sure the Cubans would be up for that!

There are already Canadian hotels and mining interests in the country.

Socialized health care is a big thing down their. Much better fit for Canada.

Lots of land for a space port.

[Nouvellecosse]

There are more people in Cuba than in Quebec so it might be a bit of a challenge to bring living standards up to Canadian expectations but worth a try if they're interested. Would be funny to see Trump flip out at least.

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn

Royal Canadian Space Force? 🫡🇨🇦🚀

Already there. For years.

https://www.canada.ca/en/air-force/corpo...structure/3-canadian-space-division.html

And one of the biggest advocates for the Spaceport was the Commander of 3 CSD.

https://www.canada.ca/en/air-force/corpo...dian-space-division/commander-3-csd.html

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

I thought it was about an economical place to launch orbital spacecraft.

But for Canada, of course it's to make sure everybody is happy.

I wish clueless people had less access to the internet.

This is being approved for two reasons:

1) Sovereign launch capability.

2) Access to orbital regimes that are particularly important to Canada.

I can send you a link to my Orbital Mechanics textbook from university if you want to do the math yourself to verify.

Here's a less technical explanation:

• Video Link

[OldDartmouthMark]

Originally Posted by Bishop2047

We could set Justin T up as governor. He is Fidel's son right?? Sorry I only get my news from my aunt's Facebook.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Bishop2047

We could set Justin T up as governor. He is Fidel's son right?? Sorry I only get my news from my aunt's Facebook.

I wonder if Katey would like Havana?