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Old Posted Nov 17, 2014, 10:40 PM
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The Great Canadian Waterfront Thread

For all Canadian waterfronts!

Toronto:

The city's waterfront is a beautiful, diverse, and overall fun place. Its revitalization is the largest urban redevelopment project currently underway in North America.


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Its quite amazing to paddle on the harbour with ships around you, the skyline behind you, and planes soaring above you.

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Urban beaches have become quite popular in the city.

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Some older photos of Sugar and HTO Beaches:

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The new, long waterfront Promenade:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jimmywuphotography/15006450173/


https://www.flickr.com/photos/jacklandau/9232027780/


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Historic Sunnyside Pavilion:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/cityoftoronto/9841270175/


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Some of the many WaveDecks along Toronto's edge:

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Waterfront Toronto

The skyline is magnificently imposting from the water

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Some of the new architecture and parks by the lake:

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Queens Quay is destined to become Toronto's goto street along the waterfront






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Theres far too much happening to show all in one post!

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Old Posted Nov 17, 2014, 10:55 PM
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Toronto's waterfront is definitely underrated. People who go on about how condos cut the city off from the lake and blah blah blah sound like they haven't visited the waterfront in over 10 years and seen the immense changes that have taken place. Most improved waterfront for sure.

However, the best waterfront is - hands down, no questions - Vancouver's seawall. I think that taking a bike ride or a walk from Third Beach to at least the foot of the Cambie bridge on a summer evening is one of Canada's top urban experiences. You emerge from this primal forest onto Beach avenue along English Bay: the closest thing Canada has to Rio or Nice. Then you dive under an art deco bridge into some of the finest examples of 21st century highrise condo planning. There's George Wainborn park, modeled after the great crescents of Bath. There's David Lam park, Canada's closest equivalent to the Great Lawn of Central Park. It's here you realize that we can still build great urban spaces if we really want to.
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Toronto's waterfront is definitely underrated. People who go on about how condos cut the city off from the lake and blah blah blah sound like they haven't visited the waterfront in over 10 years and seen the immense changes that have taken place. Most improved waterfront for sure.

However, the best waterfront is - hands down, no questions - Vancouver's seawall. I think that taking a bike ride or a walk from Third Beach to at least the foot of the Cambie bridge on a summer evening is one of Canada's top urban experiences. You emerge from this primal forest onto Beach avenue along English Bay: the closest thing Canada has to Rio or Nice. Then you dive under an art deco bridge into some of the finest examples of 21st century highrise condo planning. There's George Wainborn park, modeled after the great crescents of Bath. There's David Lam park, Canada's closest equivalent to the Great Lawn of Central Park. It's here you realize that we can still build great urban spaces if we really want to.
I concur on all points!
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Ours is incredibly small and almost completely unattractive and industrial.

"This is a working port" is a commonly heard phrase, used to excuse or justify hideous, industrial developments with absolute no consideration for aesthetic appeal or public use.

It's this way for several reasons.

Traditionally, the backside of Water Street-facing buildings served as our waterfront. Most of these commercial buildings had warehouse sections in back and each had its own separate pier. It was industrial, but beautiful in a frontier port city kind of way.


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Following the Great Fire of 1892, rubble from the destroyed city was simply pushed into the harbour, which created new land on which to build. For this reason, Water Street was no longer the closest to the Harbour. The beginnings of a new street, Harbour Drive, were built on top of the rubble.

Since this area had always been industrial, such development was allowed with no consideration of how much worse modern industrial development would be. Harbour Drive was treated as a back lane for Water Street and lined with cheap, steel warehouses, parking lots, parking garages, and the like. No shop fronts. Still today, there are very few shops with an entrance on Harbour Drive. St. Michael's Printshop is the only one that comes to mind as even being close, and that's actually on a side street leading down to Harbour Drive. And then there are a handful of restaurants at the west end of the street.

Now, a wrought-iron fence separates much of the actual harbour apron from the rest of the city and public access. There's one small park, Harbourside Park, that the public can access and a little sliver of the actual harbour apron in the Downtown West End.

For a city that loves tourism, it's a very unimpressive area and horribly wasted interaction with the sea.

Harbourside Park:



A view from Water Street down toward Harbour Drive. The harbour used to behind just behind this block, rather than having another street and the harbour apron beyond. The water came right to the edge of the white building with the red roof in the background to the right. That's the Murray Premises. This was the warehouse section of they grey building closest to Water Street - that was what most of the warehouses looked like. It's now been converted into a boutique hotel, restaurants, etc.



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However, the best waterfront is - hands down, no questions - Vancouver's seawall. I think that taking a bike ride or a walk from Third Beach to at least the foot of the Cambie bridge on a summer evening is one of Canada's top urban experiences. You emerge from this primal forest onto Beach avenue along English Bay: the closest thing Canada has to Rio or Nice. Then you dive under an art deco bridge into some of the finest examples of 21st century highrise condo planning. There's George Wainborn park, modeled after the great crescents of Bath. There's David Lam park, Canada's closest equivalent to the Great Lawn of Central Park. It's here you realize that we can still build great urban spaces if we really want to.

Isn't the Seawall just the trail around Stanley Park? Which is lovely, but not really an urban waterfront. The beachfront along English Bay is just wonderful though. Yaletown and Coal Harbour are a little less inviting, but nonetheless well integrated with the water's edge. And then of course there's Granville Island and Kitsilano, and then you have West Vancouver and UBC and White Rock and so on. Helps that Vancouver has a lot of waterfront - its industrial shoreline is only one of many.
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I think riding those new streetcars along the Toronto Waterfront will also be an a fun experience, hopefully all the new streetcars for Queens Quay are in place by the time the Pam Am games are in town.

Hopefully, a few Lakeshore cars as well....
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Halifax has a small section of nice waterfront downtown but it really needs a lot of improvement as it's where most of the remaining surface parking in central Halifax is located and that kind of spoils it for me. Still incredibly busy in the non-arctic times of year though.
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I actually have a slightly different take on the Toronto waterfront. I think its best parts are hidden. The accepted wisdom on the central portion is largely correct, I think: It IS cut off by the Gardiner, and its amenities, while improving, are pretty mediocre. Maybe this has to do with working for years in the Toronto Star building, where the view from my office window was this:



Yeah, the Harbourfront Centre and whatnot are there, but in terms of the overall stuff to see and do, it's a bit bleak. And Queens Quay is a truly dull canyon of 90s condo buildings.

BUT, so many other parts of the city interact incredibly well with the lake, but we don't think of them as "the waterfront": the Scarborough Bluffs, the Beaches, the Leslie Street Spit, the Toronto Islands, the Martin Goodman Trail, Sunnyside, Humber Shores, Sam Smith Park, and on and on. There are so many great landscapes and neighbourhoods along the lake, and interestingly, many of the best parts of the waterfront (the Spit, the Islands, the Bluffs) aren't particularly urban, but a bit wild and unkempt. It feels...Canadian. Not manicured, but probably a lot more interesting. So yeah, while I think the generally accepted wisdom is correct (i.e., the downtown waterfront is meh), I think that a lot of people, especially tourists, just don't think of, or aren't aware of, the rest of it.

It's the opposite of where I live now, in Halifax, where the downtown watefront is a really well put-together boardwalk stretching for more than a mile, from the historic district to the city market. An unbroken stretch of marinas, playgrounds, parks, food vendors, bars and restaurants (including some very good ones, not just tourist-oriented junk, though there's lots of that too) and even some recent condo developments that work pretty well in context. And, of course, it overlooks a pretty stunning natural harbour.

But outside of downtown, almost all the city's waterfront property (except along a few parks, and some private property in more well-to-do areas) is industrial and inaccessible to the neighbourhoods adjacent to it. I like that our downtown waterfront is such a success, and so attractive to locals and tourists alike—it'd be pretty embarrassing as an oceanfront city if it wasn't. But I do miss a bit the way that Toronto's waterfront, along the more distant eastern and western flanks, feel like extensions of the nearby neighbourhoods. But because they're not central, they're overlooked.

EDIT: I just saw NouvelleEcosse's comments on the Halifax watefront--I'd say that the parking is a necessary evil, since let's be honest, the area attracts a lot of tourists from out of town or rural areas, and it'd be a losing battle not to provide parking. The parking isn't right up against the water, and really, I rarely notice it when I'm down there. Plus, a lot of it is slated for redevelopment now. There are ways it can be improved, but I think it's fantastically successful as-is.
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Isn't the Seawall just the trail around Stanley Park? Which is lovely, but not really an urban waterfront. The beachfront along English Bay is just wonderful though. Yaletown and Coal Harbour are a little less inviting, but nonetheless well integrated with the water's edge. And then of course there's Granville Island and Kitsilano, and then you have West Vancouver and UBC and White Rock and so on. Helps that Vancouver has a lot of waterfront - its industrial shoreline is only one of many.
If you did a straw poll of Vancouverites, the word "Seawall" would be associated with the entire waterfront promenade that extends from the convention centre on Burrard Inlet to, roughly, Kitsilano Beach on the other side of English Bay. It is most famously associated with the Stanley Park seawall, but that's just one part of it.

The section through Yaletown is less "well known" than the section through English Bay/Stanley Park, but that's like saying Le Bron James is less well known than Michael Jordan. It is an extremely heavily used linear public space that is high up in the minds of most Vancouverites. The section from the Burrard Bridge to the Cambie bridge, which includes the seawall-fronting townhouses in Yaletown, George Wainborn and David Lam park, as well as the foot of Davie Street really should be visited by anyone in Vancouver who has even a fleeting interest in urban planning and architecture. Then, of course, there's Olympic Village on the other side.
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I like Hamilton. Varies from forests to parks to beaches to industrial port.

Thunder Bay is definitely well connected to the water in the North (Port Arthur area), but the South seems less well tied to the water.
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the seawall is awesome. doesn't matter what section really there's always something interesting to see and soak in.
another cool thing about vancouver's waterfront are the two outdoor pools fronting the pacific. the seawall takes you to both;

kits pool (saltwater, longest pool in canada at 137m)

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second beach pool (stanley park)

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yeah not sure how they could soften that up a bit other than complete implosion but i have to say, toronto's waterfront has come a very long way and it's great. i'd love to see something like 'the docks' or parties a la sugar beach pride here but that'll never happen.
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Some of the new architecture and parks by the lake:

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I love the new buildings going up on Queen's Quay East. The building in this shot has run into the most typically Canadian trouble though. The architects decided that a zinc cladding would be appropriate and, while it is beautiful, they failed to account for the beating that the side of the building would every winter from flying hockey pucks when the splash pad turns into a skating rink. You can actually make out the dents in this picture.
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We almost got our own brown concrete Stalinesque hotel with a revolving restaurant saucer on top. The Sheraton hotel on Rene-Levesque was originally supposed to have one but when the project went bust they cancelled it. And good. I hate that style.
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There's no doubt that Vancouver's seawall is one of our great amenities, but for me there is a bit too much park space and too many condo's along the seawall. My tastes are definitely more urban. There's plenty of waterfront for a Granville street meets the shoreline type section. North East False will add another 700 meters of seawall with about 200 meters of it being lined with park space and the rest with condos or townhouses. Kinda boring.
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Speak for yourself on that one. the Seawall is amazing. Best parts are Cambie Bridge to Granville Island, and Burrard St. Bridge to Stanley Park. So much character along those stretches.

The Sea Wall in West Vancouver is also very nice.
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But outside of downtown, almost all the city's waterfront property (except along a few parks, and some private property in more well-to-do areas) is industrial and inaccessible to the neighbourhoods adjacent to it. I like that our downtown waterfront is such a success, and so attractive to locals and tourists alike—it'd be pretty embarrassing as an oceanfront city if it wasn't. But I do miss a bit the way that Toronto's waterfront, along the more distant eastern and western flanks, feel like extensions of the nearby neighbourhoods. But because they're not central, they're overlooked.
I guess this is true of peninsular Halifax aside from Point Pleasant but it's not really true for the metropolitan area. Dartmouth and Bedford have their own waterfronts too and there are some pretty nice parks like Admiral's Cove and Fleming Park. There are also the harbour islands (you should go visit McNab's if you haven't) and a bunch of open coastal areas that are only a few minutes' drive past the edge of town. The suburbs are full of lakes too. Actually Long Lake Provincial Park is a 6 kilometre walk from downtown.

I do think some of the waterfront spaces could be used a lot more effectively. If there were a bridge to McNab's a lot more people would go there. A bridge over the Northwest Arm (even just for pedestrians and bikes) would be pretty interesting too. Ideally the downtown waterfront would connect up with Point Pleasant and then the trail running along the rail cut and the Arm bridge.
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Yup our seawall needs something flashy. Maybe do a Venice theme at the area around the stadium. Perfect compliment to the Vegas style casino and hotels that are coming. Tourists would love it.
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