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Old Posted Jun 1, 2010, 9:09 PM
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Cohere Centre (former EY Centre) | Completed

Developer wants $8.5M from city for exhibit hall
By JON WILLING, CITY HALL BUREAU
Last Updated: June 1, 2010 3:33pm
http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2010/06/01/14214566.html


An artist's impression of the proposed trade show space at the Ottawa airport.

The company that wants to build a trade show facility near the Ottawa airport needs $8.5 million in city cash to get the project off the ground.

Shenkman Corp.’s proposal to build the $39.2-million exhibition hall was the only bid the city received.

But if council accepts the proposal Shenkman will asking the city for an $8.5-million contribution to help it raise the remaining cash.

The only way the city can come up with the money is by borrowing it.

In a committee report tabled Tuesday, city staff say an evaluation team gave the Shenkman proposal a high score. A fairness commissioner hired by the city also signed off on the process.

The corporate services and economic development committee referred the report and the recommendations to a council meeting June 17.

Staff are recommending council accept the Shenkman bid and authorize city manager Kent Kirkpatrick to negotiate an agreement with the company.

The city has been looking at ways to transfer the trade show space from Lansdowne Park, which could soon be under redevelopment.

Shenkman has an agreement to lease a 28-acre piece of land on Ottawa airport property for an exhibition centre, parking and a hotel. The lease would run from September 2010 to January 2057.

The Shenkman plan calls for a 218,000-sq.-ft. exhibition hall and more than 2,000 parking spots. The exhibition hall could be subdivided into four smaller halls. The hotel would likely have 90 suites.

According to Shenkman’s proposed project schedule, the company would have the facility open at the beginning of 2012.

Although the tender document was downloaded by 39 companies, only three went on to have meetings with city staff.

Only Shenkman submitted a proposal.

A study recently done by the city indicates an exhibition facility would translate into $12-million in annual economic benefits to Ottawa. There would also be 237 new jobs created to build the facility.

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Old Posted Jun 1, 2010, 9:50 PM
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Like it.

I am surprised that it can be done for that low price tag.

It will go before City council on June 17, before the Lansdowne proposal does later in the month.

I would think that how the Trade Show Center fares before City Council will have an impact on how the Lansdowne proposal does.
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I'm quite glad the parking is hidden behind it, not facing the parkway.

Another reason to bring lrt to the airport sooner rather than later!
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2010, 2:31 AM
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this story has a few more details...

Lone bidder asks city for $8.5M for trade-show hall building costs
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Lone+b...w+hall+building+costs/3099967/story.html

BY NECO COCKBURN , THE OTTAWA CITIZEN JUNE 1, 2010 10:05 PM

The lone bidder on a project to build trade-show space near the airport wants the city to contribute about a quarter of the construction costs and guarantee the rent on the facility for several decades.

Shenkman Corp., one of the partners in the Lansdowne redevelopment project, hopes to build a modern trade-show space on 11.57 hectares of land near the airport.

The corporation is looking for the city to contribute $8.5 million of the $39.2-million capital cost of the new exposition hall, according to a city staff report.

The report went before city council’s corporate services and economic development committee on Tuesday.

The Aberdeen Pavilion, Civic Centre and Coliseum at Lansdowne are the city’s best trade-show spaces right now, but the redevelopment plans mean the trade shows would have to move.

If council approves Lansdowne’s redevelopment, construction could start next spring, and city staff want a new trade-show hall to open no later than March 1, 2012. Shenkman’s proposal says its new building could be open by early January 2012.

It has an agreement to lease Ottawa airport land near the Airport Parkway and Uplands Drive until January 2057 and has provided plans for a 218,000-square-foot exposition hall with more than 2,000 parking spaces, according to the staff report. It’s expected the development would eventually include a 90-suite hotel.

Shenkman proposes putting $8.5 million into the project, while the airport authority would provide $1.5 million. The remaining $20.7 million would be borrowed.

The city would have to take on debt to pay for its share, the report says.

The committee referred the staff report to a special council meeting on June 17, when other Lansdowne-related reports will be discussed.

Some councillors complained they received the trade-show report at the last minute before the committee meeting, but were told there would be a chance for public input and further discussion about the trade-show hall during that council meeting.

A fairness commissioner has found the bidding process used for the trade-show space was appropriate. City staff say 39 companies downloaded the request-for-proposal document, but just three went on to meet with city officials in “commercially confidential” meetings.

Only Shenkman submitted a formal application, which met all mandatory requirements and “well exceeded” technical requirements, according to city staff.

Kanata North Councillor Marianne Wilkinson asked staff to investigate after she had heard of one group that was interested in submitting a bid, but was incorrectly told by city planning staff that their site didn’t meet zoning requirements. The group didn’t explore the issue further, Wilkinson said.

Negotiations on a potential agreement with Shenkman have just started. However, it appears likely the city will basically promise to guarantee the leasing of the facility in order to help get the financing needed, but city staff will make clear it’s up to Shenkman to cover debt payments and any operating losses.

The committee also received a report on the economic and social benefits of a new trade-show hall that says the proposed facility should at least match the economic impact of Lansdowne Park’s trade-show space and should exceed total visitor and exhibitor spending of $7.47 million by its fifth year, which is 25 per cent more than current spending at Lansdowne.

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It is interesting how quickly important developments can be accomplished if we let it happen. A side benefit if we move forward with Lansdowne Live.

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Another reason to bring lrt to the airport sooner rather than later!
Sadly, more likely later than sooner. When politics take the lead as has been the case with LRT, the project moves at the pace of a snail wandering in every direction, ready to be squashed at any moment.

What a shocking difference in process. Let's see it happen! Maybe we need the private sector to get involved in revamping SuperEx as well.

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Wouldn't the Airport be a more logical partner for this than the City? Asking the City to cough up $8.5M seems like an invitation to bog this down, if not give it the kiss of death.
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I definitely like the idea - that area needs a facelift. I'd replace the hotel on site there with additional convention space though.

Why no hotel there? I would build a large international-themed mainstreet area on the east side of the Airport Parkway (the mainstreet being a new collector road off of Lester Road) with an LRT station there, and a pedestrian bridge across to connect the two. That "mainstreet" would have many hotels, restaurants and other facilities to show it is a gateway to a G8 capital city.
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Wouldn't the Airport be a more logical partner for this than the City? Asking the City to cough up $8.5M seems like an invitation to bog this down, if not give it the kiss of death.
This all depends on Lansdowne Live. If the city approves Lansdowne Live, they will have to move quickly on this in order to continue to accomodate the trade show industry. The city can move quickly if it wants to. Just look at what happened with the Convention Centre once we got the proper leadership on that project.
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Why no hotel there?
There is already a hotel a couple of hundred feet away: the Hilton Garden Inn. There's also the Holiday Inn Express at Uplands & Hunt Club, the Days Inn further down Hunt Club, the Southway at Bank and Hunt Club, etc.

I'm not sure how many hotels our airport (which is not a major hub) can support.
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This heap of trash is ugly and auto-oriented. That's all I have to say.
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But they've designed the parking lot in such a way as to be able to convert quickly to a drive-in should the whole exposition hall thing tank. How forward thinking!
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Why is the city in the exibition hall business? Boat shows and the like don't help the local economy, they help the out of town sellers and mostly attract locals (unlike a convention centre that brings in mostly out of towners who spend a lot of money).

Another sign that city spending is out of control.
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There was a potential station location nearby for the NS LRT airport spur. It was suggested to be placed behind the Hilton Garden Inn along Airport Parkway, where there is a bus stop if you are heading north. If you added a few paths/sidewalks it would actually be pretty close to the LRT stop for Ottawans wanting to attend the trade show or trade show goers who wanted to take a trip downtown (although maybe they are mostly arriving by car?)

It looks like the trade show market in Ottawa is pretty local. According to one of the reports Ottawa currently holds no nationally significant trade shows.

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Why is the city in the exibition hall business? Boat shows and the like don't help the local economy, they help the out of town sellers and mostly attract locals (unlike a convention centre that brings in mostly out of towners who spend a lot of money).

Another sign that city spending is out of control.
That was why I wondered why the Airport, rather than the City, wouldnlt be the better partner for this. Plus I just got my final tax bill, so I didn't need yet another sign that city spending is out of control!!!
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Why is the city in the exibition hall business? Boat shows and the like don't help the local economy, they help the out of town sellers and mostly attract locals (unlike a convention centre that brings in mostly out of towners who spend a lot of money).

Another sign that city spending is out of control.
It depends if a case can be made that having an exhibition all increases economic activity in the city, but is not viable to be built entirely by the private sector. This is the same sort of rationale that justified investing in the Congress Centre, Algonquin, etc.

The City should be encouraging and enabling economic activity within its borders.
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That was why I wondered why the Airport, rather than the City, wouldnlt be the better partner for this.
What does the airport know about running the trade show business? The airport should concentrate on running its own business.
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I agree that the private sector should be funding this...but such is badly needed down there.
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I'm not going to bother looking for the quote, but one of the Citizen writers indicated that in all cases in Canada, it is the municipality rather than the private sector that provides trade show space. And all major cities have this sort of facility, so it seems reasonable for the city to be involved.
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The pertinent questions are:

1) Does this benefit the city (i.e. residents of the city as a whole) economically?
2) Can the private sector make a profit on this by going alone?

If the answer to #1 is yes, and #2 is no, there is an argument for support by the City (e.g. the City of Ottawa proper).

I don't know why the airport would contribute financially to this; it's not really within their mandate.
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I don't know why the airport would contribute financially to this; it's not really within their mandate.
That was my thinking too. Sure its a bonus as they will be leasing the land to the project but they didn't have to give anything. Providing roughly 4% helps to get this porject moving forward.

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