Ottawa Bypass Corridor

[Harley613]

My route should have a spur for a southern gateway to the airport as well, I forgot to click that box in my .kml file.

Just imagine how beneficial this road would be for airport access from literally everyone outside the Greenbelt.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Harley613

My route should have a spur for a southern gateway to the airport as well, I forgot to click that box in my .kml file.

Just imagine how beneficial this road would be for airport access from literally everyone outside the Greenbelt.

Ironically, it would be those in the downtown core that would have the worst access.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Ironically, it would be those in the downtown core that would have the worst access.

By transit you mean? Bronson would experience a LOT of relief with this ring road built, it would be an easy drive/Uber/taxi for downtown residents. The O-train link still doesn't make sense to me for anyone not living along the Trillium Line.

[Dengler Avenue]

@lrt's friend proposed something like a staged-freeway version of the former Highway 43 on a Saturday afternoon in Fall 2020.
Worst comes to worst, we can have the bypass run down from Carleton Place, skim by Smith Falls (more like 2 KM away), by Kemptville then back to 417 near Embrun. The portion from Smith Falls to Embrun will incorporate the new Highway 43 that @lrt's friend has proposed.
Circuitous? Absolutely. But people will take it if 417 through Ottawa really becomes that unbearable.
This will literally bypass Ottawa and all the municipal politics within the city.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Harley613

By transit you mean? Bronson would experience a LOT of relief with this ring road built, it would be an easy drive/Uber/taxi for downtown residents. The O-train link still doesn't make sense to me for anyone not living along the Trillium Line.

No, by roads. There is no freeway to the airport from downtown and likely wont for some time.

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

@lrt's friend proposed something like a staged-freeway version of the former Highway 43 on a Saturday afternoon in Fall 2020.
Worst comes to worst, we can have the bypass run down from Carleton Place, skim by Smith Falls (more like 2 KM away), by Kemptville then back to 417 near Embrun. The portion from Smith Falls to Embrun will incorporate the new Highway 43 that @lrt's friend has proposed.
Circuitous? Absolutely. But people will take it if 417 through Ottawa really becomes that unbearable.
This will literally bypass Ottawa and all the municipal politics within the city.

Is the problem Ottawa politics, or NCC politics?

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

No, by roads. There is no freeway to the airport from downtown and likely wont for some time.



Is the problem Ottawa politics, or NCC politics?

This just highlights how hard it is to build things within a city.
Now I can't help but wonder whether Ottawa would have been like London, ON if someone didn't force 417 through the heart of Ottawa.

[Harley613]

Here it is with the Airport Parkway connection/extension.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

This just highlights how hard it is to build things within a city.
Now I can't help but wonder whether Ottawa would have been like London, ON if someone didn't force 417 through the heart of Ottawa.

If you mean small and annoying to get through, that is what the lack of a freeway has done to London. There needs to be a balance of freeways and transit to make the city good for all.

[Tesladom]

Harley - you map - should not include the connection between 417 and 174. First off there is no demand for it - what is needed is the Hunt Club Extension to go right to Brian Cobourn parallel to Innes
Furthermore you can't connect the ring road to 174 where you proposed, there are house right up to the escarpment where you propose the link. Rather it should veer and connect to 417 closer to Russell Rd Underpass since most traffic patterns would follow that route

[Tesladom]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

I suggested that and everyone told me to get it out of the green belt.

These people forget that the 417, 174 and 416 all cross the Greenbelt

[Tesladom]

more elaborate view of my proposal. By the way, mine would have very little expropriation required, and would benefit drivers all all parts of the city

https://ibb.co/5jh72R9

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by Tesladom

Harley - you map - should not include the connection between 417 and 174. First off there is no demand for it - what is needed is the Hunt Club Extension to go right to Brian Cobourn parallel to Innes
Furthermore you can't connect the ring road to 174 where you proposed, there are house right up to the escarpment where you propose the link. Rather it should veer and connect to 417 closer to Russell Rd Underpass since most traffic patterns would follow that route

My full map includes a bridge crossing there to Buckingham/Masson/Angers, which makes going to the 174 make mores sense. Besides that, there would ABSOLUTELY be demand for a good connection between Orleans and Tewin/Airport/Southern Suburbs. Skipping the core to get from Orleans to the 416 South would be very popular.

As for the escarpment, yes there will be some expropriation, as with all major infrastructure projects of this type. There is very very minimal expropriation along my route though.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Harley613

By transit you mean? Bronson would experience a LOT of relief with this ring road built, it would be an easy drive/Uber/taxi for downtown residents. The O-train link still doesn't make sense to me for anyone not living along the Trillium Line.

How would Bronson experience relief? If you’re going to the airport from the outer suburbs you aren’t taking Bronson, you’re taking the 416 or 417 to Hunt Club.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by acottawa

How would Bronson experience relief? If you’re going to the airport from the outer suburbs you aren’t taking Bronson, you’re taking the 416 or 417 to Hunt Club.

I can't tell you how many times Google Maps has taken me to the airport via Bronson from Kanata and Orleans. Hunt Club can be a real shit show.

Even right now, post traffic, Google Maps suggests 417/Riverside/Bronson/Airport Parkway as taking the exact same amount of time as Hunt Club from Place d'Orleans. It suggest 22 minutes from Kanata Centrum to the Airport via Bronson as opposed to 29 minutes by Hunt Club.

In other words, Bronson is your best bet out of traffic and often during traffic hours. That's because Hunt Club is not a real ring road.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Harley613

I can't tell you how many times Google Maps has taken me to the airport via Bronson from Kanata and Orleans. Hunt Club can be a real shit show.

Even right now, post traffic, Google Maps suggests 417/Riverside/Bronson/Airport Parkway as taking the exact same amount of time as Hunt Club from Place d'Orleans. It suggest 22 minutes from Kanata Centrum to the Airport via Bronson as opposed to 29 minutes by Hunt Club.

In other words, Bronson is your best bet out of traffic and often during traffic hours. That's because Hunt Club is not a real ring road.

That will still be the case if they build a ring road, going east to the edge of Orleans and then a circle around the city will not be faster 99 percent of the time than driving the more direct route via Bronson.

To the extent people want to spend billions on roads it would be way better to improve Hunt Club rather than dig up the greenbelt for roads to nowhere.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by acottawa

That will still be the case if they build a ring road, going east to the edge of Orleans and then a circle around the city will not be faster 99 percent of the time than driving the more direct route via Bronson.

To the extent people want to spend billions on roads it would be way better to improve Hunt Club rather than dig up the greenbelt for roads to nowhere.

This sounds a way to help today, not a way to help 20-40 years from now our population is growing out to around what Vancouver's is today. There WILL be a ring road. Will we wait until it's too late to reserve the rights of way needed to make it serve our existing sprawl, or will we build it even further out and risk inducing further sprawl? Orleans, Findlay Creek, Manotick, Riverside South, Barrhaven and Kanata exist. Soon Tewin will exist. They will continue to grow and we have to accept that. This kind of thinking that has caused so many of the problems this city has faced in the modern era.

[Harley613]

Here is how the current adjacent suburban developments (+tewin) would be connected by freeway under my plan, compared to their current freeway connections (red).

I stand by this plan. This is the ultimate way to connected and densify what we HAVE. In concert with public transit, this could make this city work a hell of a lot better. It would be wonderful to connect Orleans Gatineau and see an immense amount of truck traffic taken out of the core as well.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Tesladom

These people forget that the 417, 174 and 416 all cross the Greenbelt

Crossing is not the same as the whole corridor being in it.

Originally Posted by Harley613

Here is how the current adjacent suburban developments (+tewin) would be connected by freeway under my plan, compared to their current freeway connections (red).

I stand by this plan. This is the ultimate way to connected and densify what we HAVE. In concert with public transit, this could make this city work a hell of a lot better. It would be wonderful to connect Orleans Gatineau and see an immense amount of truck traffic taken out of the core as well.

Not a bad design.

[Kitchissippi]

If there was going to be another east-west freeway, I’d like to see it not as much a “bypass” but possibly a way to establish a larger light industrial sector to diversify the city’s economy. I wouldn’t mind seeing it farther south if it created new employment areas, so that even if sprawl was created, new housing would be closer to where new jobs are located. I think Ottawa could compete with Montreal and the GTA if the city had a more ambitious strategy for attracting more light industry, manufacturing and distribution

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

If there was going to be another east-west freeway, I’d like to see it not as much a “bypass” but possibly a way to establish a larger light industrial sector to diversify the city’s economy. I wouldn’t mind seeing it farther south if it created new employment areas, so that even if sprawl was created, new housing would be closer to where new jobs are located. I think Ottawa could compete with Montreal and the GTA if the city had a more ambitious strategy for attracting more light industry, manufacturing and distribution

So, my idea of it further south would fit what you want.