Perimeter Highway | Winnipeg - Page 176

CoryB · #**3501** Posted **Apr 25, 2023, 2:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by WildCake

Pretty sure most of the items listed in the article were to be completed this year. I don't drive the North Perimeter too often but all the South Perimeter items are still to be completed.

I am on a fair bit of the Perimeter fairly often. Not sure the south Perimeter pieces on that list but fairly confident everything from PTH 3 and north was not completed outside of maybe some access closures. They also did a fair bit of work on the access road from Sturgeon to 236 (just off HWY 6). I haven't been on 6 to check if that work was done though.

CoryB · #**3502** Posted **Apr 25, 2023, 2:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by thebasketballgeek

The worst is merging onto the Perimeter WB from Pembina. It feels like a death trap during rush hour.

Pembina to the Perimeter is actually the second worst. Yes high traffic volume and entry at the top of the grade separation. What truly sets Wilkes apart is the merge into the northbound flow comes immediately after a 180 degree hairpin turn significantly limiting the ability to have much speed coming out. The merge lane then ends almost immediately forcing would be merge traffic into the through lane in what is posted as a 100 km/h zone. To further compound that the end of the merge lane is not visible to traffic slightly behind in the merge lane so they cannot see if someone stopped later in the merge making that an additional risk.

It is also easily corrected as the rail line means both east and west traffic on Wilkes uses one merge and one exit per direction flow on the Perimeter. The intersection is also surrounding by mostly undeveloped land. The west side appears to be the buffer land around the sewage treatment plant while the east side is currently used for agriculture. If all the lanes for access to/from Wilkes were moved about 0.5 km south with extended lanes connecting to Wilkes the current issues could easily be corrected.

esquire · #**3503** Posted **Apr 25, 2023, 2:28 PM**

^ You often cite that Wilkes interchange as being exceptionally hazardous but it seems to me that it is a pretty normal level of substandard geometry for Manitoba highway standards... there is nothing about it that really stands out to me relative to other interchanges of a similar vintage.

Biff · #**3504** Posted **Apr 25, 2023, 2:36 PM**

What I find funniest about the Wilkes interchange is the upgrades planned have such ridiculously long, exaggerated loops (needed, I know) that some people might run out of gas before they hit the highway.

BuildUpWpg · #**3505** Posted **Apr 25, 2023, 6:42 PM**

Another auto fatality at the Perimeter/McGillvray intersection this past week and also one last month. Reading the descriptions from both, they wouldn't have happened if there was a proper interchange there.

esquire · #**3506** Posted **Apr 25, 2023, 6:49 PM**

^ The worse the design, the narrower the margin of error.

That intersection is fine for an intersection near Minnedosa, but it is absolutely terrible for an urban highway like the Perimeter.

WildCake · #**3507** Posted **Apr 28, 2023, 2:42 PM**

Small update from the North Perimeter design study I don't think was posted here:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/ou...esign-underway

https://gov.mb.ca/mit/pth101/pdf/pth...sign_study.pdf

No interchange options yet, those will be developed this summer with public engagement in the Fall.

esquire · #**3508** Posted **Apr 28, 2023, 2:50 PM**

^ Nice to see that moving ahead. If the North Perimeter gets upgraded to a better, safer design with 6 lanes and more interchanges, that might save the City from having to build the Chief Peguis extension... at their closest point, the CPT extension and Perimeter would only be 1 mile apart.

WildCake · #**3509** Posted **Apr 28, 2023, 3:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

^ Nice to see that moving ahead. If the North Perimeter gets upgraded to a better, safer design with 6 lanes and more interchanges, that might save the City from having to build the Chief Peguis extension... at their closest point, the CPT extension and Perimeter would only be 1 mile apart.

Not sure where you got the 1 mile value from, the closest span between Perimeter and CPT will be Pipeline at 1.5 miles, just a bit less than Lag from Bishop to the Perimeter, so its not like the CPT is going to be completely redundant. Both Bishop and Lag are fairly critical to moving traffic in the south end.

I don't think upgrading the Perimeter will change the "need" for the 2nd Phase of the CPT west extension, especially with no change in car culture.

rrskylar · #**3510** Posted **Apr 28, 2023, 3:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

^ Nice to see that moving ahead. If the North Perimeter gets upgraded to a better, safer design with 6 lanes and more interchanges, that might save the City from having to build the Chief Peguis extension... at their closest point, the CPT extension and Perimeter would only be 1 mile apart.

Some of you guys fail to realize the amount of traffic taken off regional streets since CPT was extended. You can't dismiss this!

Biff · #**3511** Posted **Apr 28, 2023, 4:52 PM**

Tender is out for the Wilkes to Oakbluff service road - asphalt paved.

esquire · #**3512** Posted **Apr 28, 2023, 7:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by rrskylar

Some of you guys fail to realize the amount of traffic taken off regional streets since CPT was extended. You can't dismiss this!

CPT had more of an impact on the east side of the river because there weren't really any decent through routes, just local roads like Springfield. On the west side you have Leila and Inkster.

I can see eventually extending CPT the short distance to McPhillips as some low hanging fruit to go after, but there is no point in going beyond that for a good long while.

rrskylar · #**3513** Posted **Apr 28, 2023, 11:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

CPT had more of an impact on the east side of the river because there weren't really any decent through routes, just local roads like Springfield. On the west side you have Leila and Inkster.

I can see eventually extending CPT the short distance to McPhillips as some low hanging fruit to go after, but there is no point in going beyond that for a good long while.

Both Leila and Inkster are lined with homes and should never be seeing the volume of traffic both now receive.

A higher speed route to move traffic from the river westward is needed, it’s unbelievable that a city this size is so hamstrung by such piddly roadways, even Saskatoon and Regina figured that out!

Clowns like Matt Allard who is against any kind of roadway except bike lanes fails to understand that with changing demographics, people didn’t leave their past homelands to ride bikes and with a city approaching one million the current pre-1970’s road infrastructure just doesn’t cut it!

esquire · #**3514** Posted **Apr 29, 2023, 2:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by rrskylar

A higher speed route to move traffic from the river westward is needed, it’s unbelievable that a city this size is so hamstrung by such piddly roadways, even Saskatoon and Regina figured that out!

That's why the Perimeter is there

WildCake · #**3515** Posted **May 26, 2023, 4:25 PM**

More details on the scope of the St Annes road interchange released:

https://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.ht...ted=2023-05-26

Like Biff said previously, it includes the rail overpass as well which is great!

esquire · #**3516** Posted **May 26, 2023, 4:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by WildCake

More details on the scope of the St Annes road interchange released:

https://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.ht...ted=2023-05-26

Like Biff said previously, it includes the rail overpass as well which is great!

Good news... nice to see it moving along. Which one gets built first, this or the 100/McGillivray interchange? Whichever one gets completed first will have the privilege of being Manitoba's first normal diamond interchange.

On that note, I wouldn't mind seeing Bishop Grandin or Fermor get a grade separation too along the same CP line at some point. There are instances where both get blocked by the same train which creates a potential safety hazard.

bomberjet · #**3517** Posted **May 26, 2023, 5:45 PM**

McGillivray is ahead of Ste. Anne's

pacman · #**3518** Posted **May 26, 2023, 5:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by WildCake

More details on the scope of the St Annes road interchange released:

https://news.gov.mb.ca/news/index.ht...ted=2023-05-26

Like Biff said previously, it includes the rail overpass as well which is great!

Great news, nice to see that the perimeter interchanges are happening on a rolling basis with multiple sites overlapping. Would love for them to bite the bullet and do it all at once like Regina did, but I'm not going to complain as long as the momentum continues.

Biff · #**3519** Posted **May 26, 2023, 6:00 PM**

McGillivray will start next year.

Ozabald · #**3520** Posted **May 26, 2023, 6:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by pacman

Great news, nice to see that the perimeter interchanges are happening on a rolling basis with multiple sites overlapping. Would love for them to bite the bullet and do it all at once like Regina did, but I'm not going to complain as long as the momentum continues.

It's a sad commentary for this city when the construction of a simple diamond interchange or two is deemed to be considered a major accomplishment of highway construction.