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Old Posted Jan 4, 2023, 2:59 PM
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I’m most familiar with the Suns changes, they did a $250M renovation which did decrease seating capacity a bit to add other amenities like large open spaces facing into the arena floor, the new Footprint Center feels like an upgrade from economy to first class on a flight. I think they also added more high end seating areas which have exclusive bar and food access, I think it’s called the Lexus level. So while the seating capacity is slightly smaller I’m sure they’re making more per game/per attendee with everything they’ve added. It’s a much nicer experience now.

Any plans or discussions on major renovation at the Viv?

Thw Viv just underwent a 100 plus million dollar renovation a few years ago and it's facilities are pretty top of the line now. Not sure what updates you are hoping to see. The renovation they did helped them win the ALL Star game that is set for next month.
Yep they just upgraded, and if any more upgrades are going to come in the next 10 years, it's not going to be more seats, it will be less seats to make room for more suites, as that's where the money is. The reason most arenas get replaced these days is not because of capacity, it's amenities that bring in the corporations, allows the team to charge PSLs to season ticket holders, and have more space for concessions that bring in way more money than actual ticket revenue.

It's sad to see that SLC and Utah have not emphasized bringing more entertainment to surround the stadium, like they did building a whole fan district next to the Milwaukee arena. Thankfully the Gateway is helping that, but it's not apparent to a fan walking out of the arena that there's anything interesting in the Gateway as it's all on the inside of the Gateway area.

Reminds me of Horton Plaza in San Diego, it was a landmark downtown mall for decades that was the catalyst for what's now known as the Gaslamp Quarter, one of the coolest downtown areas in the country for nightlife and restaurants. But Horton Plaza was all interior as well, a huge imposing wall to the "outside world." They're currently tearing it down and replacing with a walkable tech/innovation district. But there's potential around Vivint for similar engagement areas with dining, entertainment, bars, etc. Take the Lexus surface lot and build a walkable, inviting (and heated) area like Trolley Square and put a taller parking garage hidden behind it to keep the parking if you need to. That whole area is just dead before and after games and it shouldn't be.
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Everything you are saying Gaucho is true. I very much agree that the area surrounding Vivent needs to be enlivened. I think that West Quarter when completed will be a big move in the right direction. Of course, we'll never see more entertainment buildup north of Vivent, though most likely a lot of residential, campus-like, mixed-use infill in the future. To be fair though, Horton's past at it's best was never that attractive. It had a very cheap trendy quality about it IMO. Even Gateway's past was nicer, especially now with all of the recent upgrades and improvements. The continued evolution of Gateway will help. However, you're spot on, especially when considering 400 W. itself. I think it's all a matter of more residential density continuing to evolve downtown. Also, the convention and hotel buildup. As all of this happens the entertainment nodes will expand and continue to become more common. As much as Downtown Salt Lake has changed for the better I think I'm even more excited to see what evolves over the next ten years, especially as we approach another Winter Olympics.
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I've been traveling lately so apologies for the belated updates but there have been some really good images lately on the subreddit that are worth sharing.

My photos from 12/29: (album)

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WalkSLC shared some cool shots of Astra on January 1:







MRBJones shared an update on Convexity/Worthington on Janurary 2:

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I’m most familiar with the Suns changes, they did a $250M renovation which did decrease seating capacity a bit to add other amenities like large open spaces facing into the arena floor, the new Footprint Center feels like an upgrade from economy to first class on a flight. I think they also added more high end seating areas which have exclusive bar and food access, I think it’s called the Lexus level. So while the seating capacity is slightly smaller I’m sure they’re making more per game/per attendee with everything they’ve added. It’s a much nicer experience now.

Any plans or discussions on major renovation at the Viv?

Thw Viv just underwent a 100 plus million dollar renovation a few years ago and it's facilities are pretty top of the line now. Not sure what updates you are hoping to see. The renovation they did helped them win the ALL Star game that is set for next month.
I was just wondering if the new owner had any mentioned any big plans as this thread has a fair bit of talk about all his money and someone mentioned the Jazz possibly moving out of downtown someday. I don't hope to see any updates personally just chiming to see if there's any discussions around this.
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I was just wondering if the new owner had any mentioned any big plans as this thread has a fair bit of talk about all his money and someone mentioned the Jazz possibly moving out of downtown someday. I don't hope to see any updates personally just chiming to see if there's any discussions around this.
The Jazz leaving downtown sounds like a totally unsubstantiated rumor to me.

The Bees leaving Ballpark is the real threat right now.

Also, many thanks to Orlando and Enemy4thePeople for sharing those massings a couple pages back!
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2023, 4:03 PM
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Yep they just upgraded, and if any more upgrades are going to come in the next 10 years, it's not going to be more seats, it will be less seats to make room for more suites, as that's where the money is. The reason most arenas get replaced these days is not because of capacity, it's amenities that bring in the corporations, allows the team to charge PSLs to season ticket holders, and have more space for concessions that bring in way more money than actual ticket revenue.

It's sad to see that SLC and Utah have not emphasized bringing more entertainment to surround the stadium, like they did building a whole fan district next to the Milwaukee arena. Thankfully the Gateway is helping that, but it's not apparent to a fan walking out of the arena that there's anything interesting in the Gateway as it's all on the inside of the Gateway area.

Reminds me of Horton Plaza in San Diego, it was a landmark downtown mall for decades that was the catalyst for what's now known as the Gaslamp Quarter, one of the coolest downtown areas in the country for nightlife and restaurants. But Horton Plaza was all interior as well, a huge imposing wall to the "outside world." They're currently tearing it down and replacing with a walkable tech/innovation district. But there's potential around Vivint for similar engagement areas with dining, entertainment, bars, etc. Take the Lexus surface lot and build a walkable, inviting (and heated) area like Trolley Square and put a taller parking garage hidden behind it to keep the parking if you need to. That whole area is just dead before and after games and it shouldn't be.
The thing about Milwaukee is the owner did all of that, there's a similar proposal for the new Coyotes stadium down here in Phoenix. If it's built the total price tag is about $2B and it's not just an arena but also apartments, hotels, a music venue, retail etc... It's not like MKE as a city decided to do it that way, they agreed to allow/enable the owner to build it as one massive development if that makes sense.

I don't live in Utah anymore but still visit a bit, I go to Jazz games every few years or so, and honestly had no idea there was an active area nearby the stadium to walk to. Isn't the Gateway just an outdoor mall though? I was looking for something more urban like what you all have over on/near Main Street.
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2023, 4:06 PM
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The Jazz leaving downtown sounds like a totally unsubstantiated rumor to me.

The Bees leaving Ballpark is the real threat right now.

Also, many thanks to Orlando and Enemy4thePeople for sharing those massings a couple pages back!
That's good, I think the Jazz should stay downtown indefinitely.
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More façade work on Astra
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2023, 9:13 PM
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Astra Tower

Does anyone know whats going on with the Astra Tower web cams?
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Does anyone know whats going on with the Astra Tower web cams?
Ownership decided to take down the public link.
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The thing about Milwaukee is the owner did all of that, there's a similar proposal for the new Coyotes stadium down here in Phoenix. If it's built the total price tag is about $2B and it's not just an arena but also apartments, hotels, a music venue, retail etc... It's not like MKE as a city decided to do it that way, they agreed to allow/enable the owner to build it as one massive development if that makes sense.

I don't live in Utah anymore but still visit a bit, I go to Jazz games every few years or so, and honestly had no idea there was an active area nearby the stadium to walk to. Isn't the Gateway just an outdoor mall though? I was looking for something more urban like what you all have over on/near Main Street.
Vivint is immediately surrounded by…

A shopping mall, the dead end of a convention center, a Mormon college campus, the Snowy Owl Benefit house, a Japanese Church of Christ, a Hyatt, a courtyard Marriott, and parking.

It would require everything being bought and changed to turn around the arena area. That’s not happening for better or worse.
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Vivint is immediately surrounded by…

A shopping mall, the dead end of a convention center, a Mormon college campus, the Snowy Owl Benefit house, a Japanese Church of Christ, a Hyatt, a courtyard Marriott, and parking.

It would require everything being bought and changed to turn around the arena area. That’s not happening for better or worse.
I'm not sure if I agree with your assessment.

You have the West quarter which will add vibrancy.

That is not to say changes are not in order. The sea of parking must be replaced with quality planning and design. There are some corner lots which need to be re-developed: The NE corner of John Stockton Drive and 100 south. The southeast corner of 400 west and 100 south with the power-station. The Fidelity Investments Branch. (Inefficient use of space) The parking lot corner on 400 West & South temple. I think it is all a work in progress.

What would have in the area instead?

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Agree with your assessment Ironweed. The West Quarter is going to be a phenomenal very classy addition to downtown and will definitely contribute activity to the Arena. I would only say that the development on the parking lots to the north will be well-planned and very classy as per usual with the L.D.S. Church. It's only a matter of how soon not if. That said, it won't be geared toward entertainment but the more extended expansion of educational, office, and residential development.

Regarding Gateway itself. Everyone along the Wasatch who is even mildly familiar with Gateway understands that a lot of changes have been made over the past few years. Tens of millions have been spent on converting it from primarily retail shopping to more of an entertainment and restaurant venue. The tens of millions are now reaching into the hundreds of millions with the ongoing conversion/reuse of the Union Pacific Depot into the very upscale Ansel Adams luxury hotel. So there's that. Not to mention that thousands of residential units, many of which are fan occupied have been built to the north, south, east, and west. Gateway itself will continue to enhance its offerings as downtown continues to buildup around it.

What I'm wondering is what are the plans for the underdeveloped plots directly to the east? That Fidelity office on the corner shouts placeholder. With the exception of the West entrance to the Convention Center, the entire west end of that block seems primed for something major. Makid or anyone heard of plans or rumors for that stretch along 300 West?

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I'm not sure if I agree with your assessment.

You have the West quarter which will add vibrancy.

That is not to say changes are not in order. The sea of parking must be replaced with quality planning and design. There are some corner lots which need to be re-developed: The NE corner of John Stockton Drive and 100 south. The southeast corner of 400 west and 100 south with the power-station. The Fidelity Investments Branch. (Inefficient use of space) The parking lot corner on 400 West & South temple. I think it is all a work in progress.

What would have in the area instead?
N/A now

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Old Posted Jan 5, 2023, 4:31 PM
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Agree with your assessment Ironweed. The West Quarter is going to be a phenomenal very classy addition to downtown and will definitely contribute activity to the Arena. I would only say that the development on the parking lots to the north will be well-planned and very classy as per usual with the L.D.S. Church. It's only a matter of how soon not if. That said, it won't be geared toward entertainment but the more extended expansion of educational, office, and residential development.

Regarding Gateway itself. Everyone along the Wasatch who is even mildly familiar with Gateway understands that a lot of changes have been made over the past few years. Tens of millions have been spent on converting it from primarily retail shopping to more of an entertainment and restaurant venue. The tens of millions are now reaching into the hundreds of millions with the ongoing conversion/reuse of the Union Pacific Depot into the very upscale Ansel Adams luxury hotel. So there's that. Not to mention that thousands of residential units, many of which are fan occupied have been built to the north, south, east, and west. Gateway itself will continue to enhance its offerings as downtown continues to buildup around it.

What I'm wondering is what are the plans for the underdeveloped plots directly to the east? That Fidelity office on the corner shouts placeholder. With the exception of the West entrance to the Convention Center, the entire west end of that block seems primed for something major. Makid or anyone heard of plans or rumors for that stretch along 300 West?
The problem with Vivint is the orientation of it means most fans come in from the East side, with the southwest corner being the team/player entrance and loading docks, which is the corner that faces the heart of the Gateway.

The other problem with the Gateway is most of the attractions are on the interior of it, and just like Horton Plaza in SD, the street engagement is completely uninviting, just parking garage entrances, office entrances, Recursion entrance, entrance to the eventual new hotel, and the Depot. It's a wall that sends fans directly back to their cars instead of into inviting restaurants with sidewalk eating, live music playing, walkable areas that you can see from the arena. Like the other post above, Gateway is still thought of as a shopping mall when it's improved so much now, but you'd never know it was there unless you go into it or drive down Rio Grande.

On the south side there's a dilapidated building next to the Courtyard Marriott that could be renovated into something, but it's on the corner of the arena hardly anyone sees. On the East side is an empty office building that could be renovated into something cool, and that Fidelity building plus parking lot that could also be redone. John Stockton Drive is so wide though, it's almost too wide for anyone to want to cross over that street to get to a restaurant.

A visionary would take the SB side of John Stockton Drive along that block of Vivint and close it, making JS Drive a one-way only going north for a block, and make that SB side commercial zoning and build some restaurants right there, connected directly to the Vivint property.
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Today's episode of the podcast City Cast Salt Lake is all about the Rio Grande Plan -- great interview and shoutouts to our very own dysfunctional forum. Check it out: https://saltlake.citycast.fm/
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Today's episode of the podcast City Cast Salt Lake is all about the Rio Grande Plan -- great interview and shoutouts to our very own dysfunctional forum. Check it out: https://saltlake.citycast.fm/
Great segment! I do love me some Rio Grande plan. Love to see a few more public figures champion this movement. For the record I really enjoy this little Island of Misfit Toys.
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Today's episode of the podcast City Cast Salt Lake is all about the Rio Grande Plan -- great interview and shoutouts to our very own dysfunctional forum. Check it out: https://saltlake.citycast.fm/
It really is an excellent interview - Cameron really hit it out of the park! It's worth listening to even if you've read the plan already.

And, at the end of the episode, there is an invitation for everyone to come to our first-ever in-person event!

I hope Atlas will forgive me for posting this here a little early (since, as Cameron said, it really did all begin here on SSP!):
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I'm definitely planning on attending this -- I already drank the Kool-Aid, but it could be a fun chance to hang out with like-minded nerds and support the vision.
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