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Old Posted Dec 14, 2022, 7:00 PM
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Anyone who lives in, works in or passes by the vicinity able to give us some photo updates on the construction progress of these?...

Cottonwood Highland - 1353 E. Villa Vista Ave., Salt Lake City, 84106


The Richmond - 1280 E. Villa Vista Ave., Salt Lake City, 84106


The Archer - 1265 E Villa Vista Ave, Salt Lake City, 84106


Cottonwood Broadway - 325 East 300 South, Salt Lake City, 84111



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Old Posted Dec 15, 2022, 2:59 AM
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West Quarter Block C was approved tonight. Here's some new (blurry) eye candy with more of Block D:







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Block D changing all the time, but still looking decently tall (350+)

Any word on when block C will start construction?
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Block D changing all the time, but still looking decently tall (350+)

Any word on when block C will start construction?
I think this is very similar to what we saw in the last crop of images. Look at the CCH (335 ft) in the first image for comparison. I still think these could be 375 ft placeholders.

Construction will start whenever their permits go through, presumably. They do have to demolish Royal Wood first though.
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West Quarter Block C was approved tonight. Here's some new (blurry) eye candy with more of Block D:







Wow! Block D looks amazing! I bet we see Block C rise and become reality but it would be a miracle if Block D rises, given the current market. Block D would add so much to the skyline!
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A picture of Comrade with members of the SLC planning commission:

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=674332407386835&set=a.198674411619306

I should have some new intel on the Greek Orthodox Development by the 3'rd of Dec. I will share it once received.
Been dying to hear any updates on this
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Any new news Ironweed?
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2022, 5:55 AM
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The unpopular Point (at least here) seems to be moving forward. Hope this doesn’t take away too much from proposed developments like Greek Orthodox and continued densification/growth downtown.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2022/12/13/new-plans-point-central-park/
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2022, 7:01 AM
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I like the look of the new development a lot - but I also dislike the way the convention center blocks 100 South and forces 200 West through a sort of tunnel. Yes, the design had a purpose and was a product of its time, but with the growing downtown I wonder if future upgrades could restore the street grid?
Sort of like the convention center in Seattle, where bridges connect the conference spaces:

It's probably wishful thinking on my part; what obstacles would prevent such a rebuild, besides the obvious one ($$$)?
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Impact of the First Phase of The Point on Salt Lake City

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The unpopular Point (at least here) seems to be moving forward. Hope this doesn’t take away too much from proposed developments like Greek Orthodox and continued densification/growth downtown.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2022/12/13/new-plans-point-central-park/
Interesting snips from that article:

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The Point’s construction will be some of the densest seen anywhere in Utah, rivaling that of downtown Salt Lake City, according to Abbey Ehman, a spokesperson for Innovation Point Partners, the consortium of development firms teaming up with the state.
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With Utah in the midst of a dire lack of affordable homes, the plans also call for more than 3,000 multifamily units — all intended as state-owned rentals at this stage.

Up to 20% of those dwellings will be kept more affordable, with a stated intent of creating a new community “for Utahns from all walks and stages of life.”
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The Point also centers on mixing land uses, with no more than half the acreage devoted to residential and with homes threaded closely with commercial spaces.
She and others said that mixed-use approach — and reliance on two planned transit stations serving The Point on a specially built TRAX extension — are central to The Point’s success.
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Demolition of the old prison started last month and will stretch well into next year.

After installation of critical utilities for The Point, vertical construction could begin as early as 2026, although officials say that will be flexible and driven by market conditions.






ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS:


Disclosure:
I know there are going to be a few that will try and say this is not relevant to this thread. I disagree since this is a discussion on the impact a large 600 acre megaproject may have on Salt Lake City development in the future. Just putting up a disclosure first because I know at least someone is going to say it doesn't belong on here. But so few people actually use the MSA thread to discuss issues related to the impacts of development outside of Salt Lake on Salt Lake that I think it is important to have that discussion here as well. I will keep my post to how I think it will impact Salt Lake though.

Anyway

My thoughts:
From a Salt Lake City development perspective, I think The Point is unlikely to cause significant losses for Downtown Salt Lake City. This is because I think these developments would have likely occurred in office projects in the suburbs regardless of being built at The Point. At least The Point will help to centralize this development rather than disperse it.

Three aspects mentioned in the article actually has reassured me that we will not see a decrease in development due to it.

The first is the low number of actual residential units planned for the first phase of the development. 3,000 units, while large for a single development, is not much when considering how many units Salt Lake has been building. By my own personal count, Salt Lake City has about 8,000 housing units currently under construction and over 12,000 housing units planned for a total of over 20,000 units in the works. So the 3,000 units planned as part of the first phase The Point is almost embarrassingly low and will likely not even make a dent in the residential development in Salt Lake.

The second aspect that reassures me is its starting to appear the Trax extension is not only still on the table, but may be becoming likely (as opposed to the BRT that was discussed by UTA for the site), at least based on the article. If the State funds and builds the Blue Line TRAX extension, that will essentially create a direct line connection from The Point to Downtown Salt Lake City. With so few units being actually built at the point (at least by what we can tell based on the first phase), there will likely be a significant amount of commuters to the project. While many will commute via car from the suburbs (just as they do to Downtown) if that Trax extension is built many may choose/want to live in Downtown Salt Lake and take a direct commute from there to The Point for work.

Essentially if that TRAX extension is included in the project after all, it could actually help boost development and demand downtown rather than take it away. Plus, the more and more people that move downtown, the more there will be a natural demand and a pull for office development in Salt Lake in the coming decades, so I'm not too worried. But that TRAX extension would basically put The Point much more in Salt Lake City's sphere of influence than a BRT, which would likely drag it more towards the suburbs and northern Utah County's (and therefore Provo's) sphere of influence. So getting that TRAX extension to become reality is essential for Salt Lake's future development prospects, at least in my opinion.

Third is the fact that the earliest we may see vertical construction is 2026 which may be pushed back or delayed even further depending on funds and market conditions (as the article mentions). So we will likely not see people even being able to move into the first phase until basically the end of the decade (around 2028-2030). It seems to me that this development will be so slow to actually develop that any negative impacts from the project may be so spread out to be basically negligible, while the positives for Salt Lake City could be great.

My feelings may change as we start to learn more specifics on what the rest of the phases of the project will really include, but even then we are talking about way into the 2030s and 2040s on how this project may or may not impact Salt Lake.

For now, I think Salt Lake City and development Downtown is pretty safe, beyond the impacts of market forces.

Anyway, what to y'all think? Could The Point and Salt Lake City coexist without harming eachother too much? Or will The Point prove too irresistible?

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I definitely think they can co-exist. I think the criticism and concern has been overblown. I'm not a fan of The Point, per se, but I don't think it's a "threat" to downtown Salt Lake, especially not in the near-term. Other metropolitan areas have major employment centers outside of their CBD too.
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I agree that the Point and Downtown SLC can coexist. They serve different markets.

Blah is correct that this will just be a higher concentration of the typical suburban developments for both office and residential. The Phase 1 office components all seem to be around 6 stories with, what appears to be, 3 between 10 and 20 stories. These 3 projects are the conundrum as that demand isn't there for the larger office buildings at the area. This would mean that they would have to be spec builds, which will sap any demand for the other, smaller buildings, or they will pull from other buildings around the point of the mountain.

Additionally, as was mentioned, the amount of residential being built is so small that it will have no impact to any development in SLC. Even if they were projecting 10,000 units it wouldn't have an impact, growth is happening at such a rate that we may see only slight impacts to rental rates. On the plus side, they are stating that 20% of the residential will be set aside for lower incomes. This is still an under-served market so I am happy to see inclusion in the project.

The Trax line, while good to see, is not a Blue Line extension. My understanding is that the Trax line is an extension of the Red Line. This line was originally going to be the Stub line that branched from the Blue Line until UTA determined that BRT is the mode of choice to Lehi. It is possible that the State will step in and do the Blue Line extension and the Stubbed line but I have heard that there is a push for extending the Red Line first
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The BRT line would have been a huge missed opportunity so I'm glad there is some talk about TRAX extensions again. There is potential to connect Red and Blue at "The Point" eventually, and that would be wonderful for transit connectivity in general. That said, I do think that the Blue line extension to Lehi should be higher priority right now than any transit construction to The Point.

It's great to master plan the area for transit connectivity but I don't think the state should be prioritizing The Point over existing communities when it comes to infrastructure investment. Nobody currently lives at The Point and meanwhile places like Riverton don't even have a single UTA bus stop. I also think that if Draper wants to become a player in the downtown living market, and they want to do it with this much state help, they should be forced to build some low income and homeless services as part of the project. Those things should not be forced onto the existing downtown(s). Something tells me that Draper wants a shiny downtown without having to deal with real downtown issues and responsibilities.

I really don't like that it seems like a foregone conclusion that any NFL or MLB franchise that comes to Utah will build their stadium in Draper. The state should not be in the business of favoring cities like that. SLC should have a fair shot at any pro teams that want to come to town and use its clout and namesake.
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The BRT line would have been a huge missed opportunity so I'm glad there is some talk about TRAX extensions again. There is potential to connect Red and Blue at "The Point" eventually, and that would be wonderful for transit connectivity in general. That said, I do think that the Blue line extension to Lehi should be higher priority right now than any transit construction to The Point.

It's great to master plan the area for transit connectivity but I don't think the state should be prioritizing The Point over existing communities when it comes to infrastructure investment. Nobody currently lives at The Point and meanwhile places like Riverton don't even have a single UTA bus stop. I also think that if Draper wants to become a player in the downtown living market, and they want to do it with this much state help, they should be forced to build some low income and homeless services as part of the project. Those things should not be forced onto the existing downtown(s). Something tells me that Draper wants a shiny downtown without having to deal with real downtown issues and responsibilities.

I really don't like that it seems like a foregone conclusion that any NFL or MLB franchise that comes to Utah will build their stadium in Draper. The state should not be in the business of favoring cities like that. SLC should have a fair shot at any pro teams that want to come to town and use its clout and namesake.

Agree with what you’re saying about a pro sports team, public transport and homeless issues regarding the point. Also agree with others that it won’t affect downtown directly in terms of development. If the Point does get a big chunk of State money for transport that would take away money from other potential catalyst projects for downtown like the Rio Grande project, which would affect downtown development
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I really don't like that it seems like a foregone conclusion that any NFL or MLB franchise that comes to Utah will build their stadium in Draper. The state should not be in the business of favoring cities like that. SLC should have a fair shot at any pro teams that want to come to town and use its clout and namesake.
Would an NFL or MLB franchise even be good for SLC? When doing a quick google search for economic benefits of stadiums or pro sports teams, almost all articles report no positive impacts to cities.
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Would an NFL or MLB franchise even be good for SLC? When doing a quick google search for economic benefits of stadiums or pro sports teams, almost all articles report no positive impacts to cities.
Depends on who is paying for the stadium. I think there would be cultural and economic benefits for Utah if we got an NFL or MLB team in the SL Valley. However, if a city like SLC hands out some giant incentives then it could get messy and we could end up in a St. Louis or San Diego situation in 20 years where the team just leaves and the taxpayers are still left with a huge bill and a dearth of tax revenue. Ideally, the franchise would pay for its own stadium. Realistically, I think SLC should offer some incentives if the opportunity arises but not sell its soul.

The state has a lot more disposable funding to throw around than SLC and I think they are already promoting "The Point" behind-the-scenes for a future team over SLC. If an NFL/MLB team suddenly announces a deal with the state for a new stadium at The Point, I think there needs to be some citizen pushback. It would plainly show that all of their master planning has been a smokescreen for under-the-table wheeling and dealing. The state clearly wants to build a "destination" and make some people rich under the guise of "planning for growth."

I wonder if the prospective pro sports franchises know that there won't be any alcohol sales at restaurants (and likely no bars) at "The Point" unless some laws are changed.
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I'll probably have more feelings on this project when it becomes even remotely close to reality. I get the state being behind it will give it a level of credibility and support that wasn't there for other projects like the Lehi one. But I also remember everyone here discussing when Sandy was going to invest and build in their downtown (including possibly developing the tallest building in Utah) and ... well ... that was almost a decade ago (hell, maybe even longer) lol

I suspect this plan will be realized eventually - but maybe not fully built out to what we're seeing in these renderings for 20+ years.
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I'll probably have more feelings on this project when it becomes even remotely close to reality. I get the state being behind it will give it a level of credibility and support that wasn't there for other projects like the Lehi one. But I also remember everyone here discussing when Sandy was going to invest and build in their downtown (including possibly developing the tallest building in Utah) and ... well ... that was almost a decade ago (hell, maybe even longer) lol

I suspect this plan will be realized eventually - but maybe not fully built out to what we're seeing in these renderings for 20+ years.
I could see easily see this taking 20+ years for a complete build out. For this reason - I don't think it will have minimal if any impact on downtown's growth and development.
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Communities and “downtowns” aren’t built in a day. If the Point actually manifests, which I doubt it will… it will be a glorified office park.
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Nighttime downtown aerial shots

Nighttime photos likely to appeal to this group. Photography credit to @grallon instagram, alert courtesy Downtown Alliance who say photographers are Chris Williams and Scott Taylor.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CmM9Z1quSkA/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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