HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Ottawa-Gatineau > Downtown & Urban Ottawa


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #321  
Old Posted Oct 7, 2022, 6:12 PM
MoreTrains MoreTrains is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 858
I like the idea of adding the glass roof over the courtyards, but the rendering makes it look trashy. Im sure the execution will be good though.

I am curious why the landscaping doesn't have any trees. Sun get pretty harsh in the summer.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #322  
Old Posted Oct 7, 2022, 6:46 PM
Horus's Avatar
Horus Horus is offline
I ask because I Gatineau
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Aylmer (by way of GTA)
Posts: 1,211
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitchissippi View Post
The landscaping looks a bit, um, suggestive. They might have to blur Google Maps or cover it up with a large maple leaf.
If they keep it well-trimmed, it'll look bigger
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #323  
Old Posted Oct 7, 2022, 7:43 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 28,276
It's not the size of the lawn, it's how you use it.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #324  
Old Posted Oct 7, 2022, 8:18 PM
Fading Isle Fading Isle is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2022
Posts: 149
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Eade View Post
Yeah, the landscape design leaves something to be desired.

I wonder just how much thought was put into it. (Or is it a thinly veiled statement by the artist – similar to Michelangelo’s ‘moon’ for the Pope who didn’t like what he was painting on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel?)

What about special events, like Canada Day? The Main Stage is usually set up in the area directly in front of the Peace Tower. I presume that the stage will go on the upper level, but that will block off any access for other vehicles. Also, given that there needs to an area reserved in front of the stage for technical reasons, how will this effect access to the Visitor’s Entrance? If the stage is placed on the lower level, it will need to leave enough space behind it for access to the Visitor’s Entrance. With the stage placed so far out into the lawn, the crowd space will be much smaller.

Also, those ‘Ball Gardens’ interfere with the desire lines of people walking to the doors. I don’t know why landscape designers don’t get it. People like to travel in the straightest route they can. Designers need to stop trying to make people walk much greater distances because the designer things it looks more artistic. I predict that there will soon be a worn path beside the central stairs down to the doors.

I get that, artistically, it might seem better to have the entrance centered on the Peace Tower, but I think that the old idea of having the Visitor’s Entrance off to the west – leaving the lawn undisturbed – was a better idea, logistically.
The presentation says the "Landscape Schematic Design Package" is to be received in winter 2022, so hopefully the landscape design (or lack thereof) we're looking at in the presentation is just a placeholder for now. It says: "The schematic landscape design is not being approved at this time. The subsequent landscape schematic design related to this Proposal will be subject to a separate Level 3 NCC review and approval."
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #325  
Old Posted Oct 7, 2022, 8:47 PM
rockland rockland is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by OTSkyline View Post
Looking forward to checking it out. I hope they will have decent signage or something to redirect people to the new welcome centre since the entrance seems hidden & tucked away under the stairs.
I used to work as a guide and we would joke that even if we had gigantic Vegas-style signs pointing to the visitor entrance people would continue walking up to the main entrance and try to enter from there 🙃 People are just mesmerized by the building and don't pay attention to anything else.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #326  
Old Posted Oct 8, 2022, 4:02 AM
originalmuffins originalmuffins is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 877
Love the changes they are bringing to the Centre Block, it's much needed especially since it's a big draw for our city for tourism. I have some confidence in this project and I can't wait to visit it once it opens . Maybe by that point, Wellington will have a plan to be a pedestrian street and we can have a plan for the loop between Ottawa and Gatineau! That'd spring up the area very nicely!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #327  
Old Posted Oct 8, 2022, 2:37 PM
zzptichka zzptichka is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Outaouias
Posts: 2,340
Wonder if they preserve these nationally significant parliamentary portables that have been sitting there for 25+ years.

Reply With Quote
     
     
  #328  
Old Posted Oct 8, 2022, 2:55 PM
Richard Eade Richard Eade is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Nepean
Posts: 2,553
Hmmm. Reading a few of these posts makes me think. Maybe the stage could be moved further out onto the lawn if Wellington were incorporated as an expansion of the lawn.

But, the security of the main Parliamentary buildings seems to be a prime concern. How would the security requirement square with extending the lawn right up to the ‘South Block’ (I think that they are planning to rename the Langevin Building) so that people are no longer simply passing by. (I'm pretty sure that people will try to climb the building to get a better view of the stage - just as they climb the fence these days.)

If the lawn is extended south, breaking Wellington, there will still need to be roadways to get ‘Official’ vehicles up to the Tower entrance. How will that work?

Then there is the BIG QUESTION: Why wasn’t this entire re-imagining of Parliament Hill thoroughly planned out before $10B began being spent on new construction?

Maybe it was, and they decided to permanently move large gatherings away from the Hill. They moved Canada Day 2022. Maybe that wasn’t just a one-off. Maybe it is the future plan.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #329  
Old Posted Oct 8, 2022, 4:45 PM
Admiral Nelson Admiral Nelson is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 518
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Eade View Post
Maybe it was, and they decided to permanently move large gatherings away from the Hill. They moved Canada Day 2022. Maybe that wasn’t just a one-off. Maybe it is the future plan.
My guess is that Canada Day events will remain off the Hill until the Centre Block project is complete, or at the very least until the new underground visitor facility is complete.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #330  
Old Posted Oct 8, 2022, 4:53 PM
Uhuniau Uhuniau is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 8,964
Quote:
Originally Posted by MoreTrains View Post
I like the idea of adding the glass roof over the courtyards, but the rendering makes it look trashy. Im sure the execution will be good though.

I am curious why the landscaping doesn't have any trees. Sun get pretty harsh in the summer.
Ever since Dutch Elm Disease, the powers that be in Ottawa have decided that Parliament Hill should be as treeless as possible because views or something.
__________________
___
Enjoy my taxes, Orleans (and Kanata?).
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #331  
Old Posted Oct 9, 2022, 1:20 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 28,276
Quote:
Originally Posted by zzptichka View Post
Wonder if they preserve these nationally significant parliamentary portables that have been sitting there for 25+ years.

Can't see that addition in any of the material, so I assume they will demolish it.

Anyone know what it was used for? I assume the underground expansion and/or the West Block could serve its functions.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #332  
Old Posted Oct 14, 2022, 3:53 AM
mykl mykl is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 472
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Eade View Post
What about special events, like Canada Day? The Main Stage is usually set up in the area directly in front of the Peace Tower. I presume that the stage will go on the upper level, but that will block off any access for other vehicles. Also, given that there needs to an area reserved in front of the stage for technical reasons, how will this effect access to the Visitor’s Entrance? If the stage is placed on the lower level, it will need to leave enough space behind it for access to the Visitor’s Entrance. With the stage placed so far out into the lawn, the crowd space will be much smaller.
The main stage for Canada Day has never been on the upper level. It has always been placed at the bottom of the stairs, with various staging tents and trailers on the upper level.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #333  
Old Posted Oct 14, 2022, 2:18 PM
Richard Eade Richard Eade is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Nepean
Posts: 2,553
Ah. Thanks for that clarification.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #334  
Old Posted Nov 11, 2022, 1:40 AM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is offline
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 14,426
MPs prepare to spend $250-million on tunnels between parliamentary buildings

Marie Woolf, Globe and Mail
Ottawa
November 10, 2022 | Published 4 hours ago | Updated 1 hour ago




MPs have endorsed a plan to spend more than $250-million on new tunnels linking parliamentary buildings, citing security concerns and logistics and Ottawa’s cold winters.

The tunnels will be a late addition to the huge restoration project under way on Parliament Hill, including a $5-billion refurbishment of the neo-Gothic Centre Block, Parliament’s main building.

But critics of the plan, which has been discussed for more than 20 years by MPs and senators who have to brave Ottawa’s ice and snow to get from their offices to committees and the debating chamber, say the cost is excessive in the current economic climate.

Peter Julian, an NDP member of Parliament’s Board of Internal Economy, which approved the tunnels, says they would bring Canada in line with other legislatures, including the European Parliament, where MEPs can walk between buildings without going outside.

The British House of Commons has tunnels and overhead walkways linking Westminster office buildings, allowing MPs and their staff to travel freely within the parliamentary precinct. There are also secret tunnels – now rarely used – running under Whitehall that once led to the underground cabinet war rooms where Winston Churchill planned the Allied war effort.

Mr. Julian said it would also make the transit of goods entering Parliament less arduous and could mean an end to multiple security checks between buildings.

The Senate said a subcommittee is currently waiting to review the final cost estimate and will thoroughly consider “the spending of taxpayer dollars in a way that best serves all Canadians.”

“The Senate is supportive of the main goal, which is to provide a weather-protected network of underground tunnels that would connect all core Parliament buildings for the efficient and secure movement of people and material goods,” said Alison Korn, spokeswoman for the Senate standing committee on internal economy, budgets and administration.



Ottawa’s plans for a tunnel network come amid growing concerns about the security of MPs. In August, Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland was subjected to a tirade of verbal abuse in Grande Prairie, Alta., when she was approached at city hall by a man who shouted profanities and called her a “traitor.”

Mr. Julian said there have been “an increasing number of threats” targeting MPs, which the tunnels could help mitigate.

“The Emergencies Act hearings are exposing a whole range of threats we were unaware of,” he told The Globe and Mail. “There are a number of reasons why it would make sense to have a more effective network of tunnels.”

But he said they should be simple and “spartan” and built “at the lowest possible cost.”

At a meeting in June of the Board of Internal Economy, Mr. Julian said the tunnels would mean MPs would no longer have to go through security multiple times to travel between buildings or bundle up in warm coats and hats several times a day during harsh Ottawa winters.

Currently MPs have the option of taking shuttle buses between buildings, though most walk.

The projected construction cost of the tunnels would be about $185-million, but this will account for just 40 to 50 per cent of the overall cost, assistant deputy minister Rob Wright told the board.

Tory MP John Brassard raised questions about the “ballpark” cost of the project, saying “a nice winter coat costs $199, so there’s a big difference.” He pointed out that projected costs “have a tendency to get out of hand really quickly.”

Economist Kevin Page, a former parliamentary budget officer, told The Globe that the “exorbitant cost of inflation” should be factored into the project.

“You will have to manage this project so it is completed on time and on budget,” said Mr. Page, president of the University of Ottawa’s Institute of Fiscal Studies. “This is definitely a high-inflation environment.”

In last week’s fall economic statement, Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland indicated that Ottawa is committed to fiscal discipline to avoid fanning the flames of inflation.

The tunnels would link the main Commons and Senate buildings, offices and committee rooms. Tunnellers would burrow under Wellington Street – the parliamentary precinct’s main artery – and create a big circular loop between buildings on either side of the road.

MPs and their staff would be able to walk underground between Parliament’s East, Centre and West blocks, through to the Wellington building – where many committees are held – and Block 1 and Block 2, where a new parliamentary office building is to be constructed.

A second phase anticipates linking the Confederation Building, with its distinctive green roof, and the Justice Building, with its sandstone exterior, on Wellington Street.

The tunnel loop would incorporate an existing short tunnel between the House of Commons visitor centre and the West Block. It may also incorporate parts of tunnels that once linked Centre Block with West and East blocks but were decommissioned because of the visitor centre construction.

During the convoy protest in Ottawa, which blocked Wellington Street, the RCMP considered using those tunnels to access Parliament.

Michèle LaRose, spokeswoman for Public Services and Procurement Canada, which will manage the project, said the “design, which will inform cost estimates and schedule, including phasing, is still under development.”

Talks are also ongoing between Parliament and the City of Ottawa about the prospect of turning part of Wellington Street, near the Prime Minister’s Office and the Commons, into a pedestrian zone.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-parliamentary-building-tunnels-budget/
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #335  
Old Posted Nov 11, 2022, 12:51 PM
eltodesukane eltodesukane is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,141
"The tunnels will be a late addition to the huge restoration project..."
No one thought about that earlier?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #336  
Old Posted Nov 11, 2022, 2:13 PM
OTSkyline OTSkyline is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,810
Really? Spending 250 million dollars to save them a chilly walk on some winter days? In this economic climate, high inflation and huge deficit? That would be stupid... And it wouldn't be any more of a safety net for MPs, they can just get heckled elsewhere.

Why not spend a small fraction of that to fix up the Official Residence of the PM?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #337  
Old Posted Nov 11, 2022, 6:53 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 28,276
Quote:
Currently MPs have the option of taking shuttle buses between buildings, though most walk.
Wow.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #338  
Old Posted Nov 12, 2022, 9:04 PM
Kitchissippi's Avatar
Kitchissippi Kitchissippi is offline
Busy Beaver
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 4,663
Carleton campus 2.0
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #339  
Old Posted Nov 13, 2022, 12:12 AM
Catenary Catenary is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,391
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitchissippi View Post
Carleton campus 2.0
I prefer Disney's Magic Kingdom.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #340  
Old Posted Nov 13, 2022, 2:19 AM
YOWetal YOWetal is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 7,564
Quote:
Originally Posted by OTSkyline View Post
Really? Spending 250 million dollars to save them a chilly walk on some winter days? In this economic climate, high inflation and huge deficit? That would be stupid... And it wouldn't be any more of a safety net for MPs, they can just get heckled elsewhere.

Why not spend a small fraction of that to fix up the Official Residence of the PM?
It's hard to fathom how much we're spending on this. We're so cheap on everything else ans I guess it's is our most important building but still shocking.
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Ottawa-Gatineau > Downtown & Urban Ottawa
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 7:22 AM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.