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Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 3:52 PM
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I absolutely agree. A lot of boring, copy-and-paste apartments. We're also losing out on a lot of height in that area. That would be a good place for at LEAST 7-8 story towers, if not 10+. That would really bring the activity and nightlife to the area that I think we all know it could be.
There is already quite a bit of nightlife in this neighborhood as it stands. SunTrapp, Metro, and The Complex are all within a block of each other on 100 S. Centro Civico regularly has events on 600 W. And, there used to be one more club/music venue more before Sound was leveled for apartments. Then a block east is Gateway which has all sorts of nightlife options.
This is really one of the most exciting areas of the city in my opinion.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 5:31 PM
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Taller buildings and environmental costs

As the city moves to create more density and also achieve a stated goal of being carbon neutral, I've been wondering what the impact of dense urbanization will be on our air and water quality. To that end, I found some interesting information which suggests that residential buildings that cap out at about 10 stories are a better use of land for density than taller buildings such as Astra. This is mainly due to loss of space for HVAC, fire, elevators, etc that are involved in the high rises versus midrise buildings.
But, I thought that you guys might find this read interesting as well about skyscarpers and carbon emissions. https://www.fastcompany.com/90666746/is-...the-myth-of-climate-friendly-skyscrapers

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Here is a link to a study from the University of Edinburgh about high rise versus midrise density. https://www.nature.com/articles/s42949-021-00034-w


Anyhow, I thought this last link was really interesting and to be honest, counter intuitive. I hope you all get a change to glance over some of it.

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Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 10:37 PM
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I think Alta Gateway II is an opportunity lost. It is a pretty disappointing project. I guess it is better than the warehouse that used to be on the lot. I agree with Atlas that the Cinq behind this project will look pretty nice. The Zephyr 1 block to the easy will have a good look as well. It is too bad that Alta Depot looks like a small suburb apartment complex. Like I said, opportunity lost. I wish the planning commission were more picky about approving projects like this.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2022, 10:53 PM
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I think Alta Gateway II is an opportunity lost. It is a pretty disappointing project. I guess it is better than the warehouse that used to be on the lot. I agree with Atlas that the Cinq behind this project will look pretty nice. The Zephyr 1 block to the easy will have a good look as well. It is too bad that Alta Depot looks like a small suburb apartment complex. Like I said, opportunity lost. I wish the planning commission were more picky about approving projects like this.
While it is on the smaller side, it is LEED Platinum, which almost certainly drives up construction cost.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2022, 1:08 AM
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While it is on the smaller side, it is LEED Platinum, which almost certainly drives up construction cost.
I actually like what that area is becoming -- especially considering what it historically has been -- and have always thought the hate on those new devs (especially alta gateway II) is a bit much.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2022, 7:12 AM
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There is already quite a bit of nightlife in this neighborhood as it stands. SunTrapp, Metro, and The Complex are all within a block of each other on 100 S. Centro Civico regularly has events on 600 W. And, there used to be one more club/music venue more before Sound was leveled for apartments. Then a block east is Gateway which has all sorts of nightlife options.
This is really one of the most exciting areas of the city in my opinion.
Yes, there is some nightlife, but we've already lost one nightlife venue without gaining another. Gateway has come back to life somewhat, but it still has a long ways to go. The streets in this area are still dead unless there's an event going on, and will remain that way without higher quality investment and retail/restaurants.

This area has the potential to be such a great neighborhood, but that potential is being squandered rapidly.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2022, 5:17 PM
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I actually like what that area is becoming -- especially considering what it historically has been -- and have always thought the hate on those new devs (especially alta gateway II) is a bit much.
Completely agree! While I do often favor some of the apartment styles of the Teens, '20s and '30s I think what is being developed now is a huge improvement over most of the disgusting designs of the '50s through '70s. Thank goodness Salt Lake's major boom didn't happen during those '50s-'70s decades. I often pass through those central neighborhoods that experienced a major boom of apartment development here in California during that time. Many neighborhoods are filled with those crap apartment designs and it looks far inferior to what designs are going up now in Salt Lake.

Also, do not expect to see a proliferation of ground-level commercial in the form of mom-and-pop restaurants, markets, or any type of small business in many of those Salt Lake neighborhoods for the next few years. During this period the risk-takers are going to be extremely careful about opening mom and pop shops of any kind. It has nothing to do with the ignorance or ill-informed developers. On the contrary, most developers understand where they can place commercial that would have a reasonable chance of success. Particularly at this juncture of the economy, it would be business suicide for most people to trust their investment in a restaurant or most small service businesses, especially in that Gateway neighborhood, which is already well served at a reasonable walk. Anyone who has that entrepreneurial dream of owning their own business had better have money to carry them for the long haul. Hopefully, better times in the future will encourage a more entrepreneurial spirit. Many of these developments could easily have ground-level conversions for small businesses if the demand is there in the future. However, right now and for the foreseeable future market conditions do not allow for that kind of risk.

The other day I had several purchases to make and decided I wanted to just get out and drive around Central L.A. As with millions of Americans, driving for the sake of getting out and about is not something I do nearly as much these days. The bank branch had closed, the Pep Boys major location had gone out of business, and one of the most iconic bakeries in America (Magnolia's) is hanging on by a thread. As I traveled down Hollywood Blvd. heading through downtown Hollywood, I noticed how busy the intersection of Hollywood and Highland was with the typical tourist traffic. However, as soon as I traveled through the intersection I was shocked to see how what was one of the most vibrant commercial sections of Los Angeles is now like a ghost town. Block after block was cluttered with shuttered businesses. I see this kind of commercial blight everywhere throughout the very densely populated areas of Central Los Angeles, whether it's the Melrose District, Fairfax, La Brea, Third St. running through West Hollywood, etc. Restaurants, Clubs, Bars, unique clothing stores, antic shops, etc. that were once icons of Los Angeles have not survived, and this with a much denser population than Central Salt Lake City. There are numerous reasons for the abrupt change in consumer habits, which I think most of you could make a list of. It's going to take some time before America's mom and pop small business climate recovers from the current atmosphere.

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Old Posted Feb 24, 2022, 7:32 PM
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Is the Regent Street hotel still in talks?
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2022, 8:40 PM
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Is the Regent Street hotel still in talks?
It is still in the works. I think the current plan is for it to start as Astra is wrapping up or shortly after Astra is completed.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2022, 9:51 PM
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It is still in the works. I think the current plan is for it to start as Astra is wrapping up or shortly after Astra is completed.
Makes sense since Astra is using the site for their trailers
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2022, 11:32 PM
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Makid, now that Domain has finished with their Exchange project is there a solid ballpark time frame on when they'll begin on the W. Temple Tower? I remember the talk was that they would begin as The Exchange was wrapped up. Could we have at least four towers all going up at the same time? Astra, Convexity, Domain, and Theatre.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2022, 12:05 AM
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This was posted in my LinkedIn feed that Salt Lake City and Austin are leading the nation in economic/ job growth.

https://eig.org/news/which-metros-have-led-the-recovery-so-far

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6902393612399718400/
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2022, 2:56 AM
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Makid, now that Domain has finished with their Exchange project is there a solid ballpark time frame on when they'll begin on the W. Temple Tower? I remember the talk was that they would begin as The Exchange was wrapped up. Could we have at least four towers all going up at the same time? Astra, Convexity, Domain, and Theatre.
Delts, I remember them saying that they wanted to start shortly after the Exchange was completed. If they stick to the schedule, it is likely that they will start the project soon. I am not sure on a timeline though.

Also, it is possible that we could end up with more than 4 towers going up at the same time:

Astra
Convexity
Domain
Theater
West Quarter (Block 67) Phase 2 - Residential Tower 1
West Quarter (Block 67) Phase 2 - Residential Tower 2
West Quarter (Block 67) Phase 2 - Commercial Tower
Sundial

These are the 20+ story towers that I can think of currently that could all start in the next 12 to 14 months. That would put all of these under construction at the same time.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2022, 3:01 AM
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This was posted in my LinkedIn feed that Salt Lake City and Austin are leading the nation in economic/ job growth.

https://eig.org/news/which-metros-have-led-the-recovery-so-far

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6902393612399718400/
This is good to see. I think this shows that we will see many years of continued growth. As we are currently seeing a boom here, this information should continue to feed the boom machine, which could help push the growth further.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2022, 3:59 AM
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Has anyone heard what the latest is on the Sundial tower?
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2022, 4:05 AM
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Yes, there is some nightlife, but we've already lost one nightlife venue without gaining another. Gateway has come back to life somewhat, but it still has a long ways to go. The streets in this area are still dead unless there's an event going on, and will remain that way without higher quality investment and retail/restaurants.

This area has the potential to be such a great neighborhood, but that potential is being squandered rapidly.
And The Sun Trapp is feared to not be returning:

https://www.sltrib.com/artsliving/2022/02/24/sun-trapp-safe-haven/

I can't fathom how anyone would say there's a lot of night in that area - especially with two institutions closing. It's a dead zone. I commented months who that based on the development we'd see, that I feared it becoming a dead zone.

I feel vindicated in that concern.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2022, 5:27 AM
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Hardware district looks much better but is even worse in terms of nightlife
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2022, 3:15 PM
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And The Sun Trapp is feared to not be returning:

https://www.sltrib.com/artsliving/2022/02/24/sun-trapp-safe-haven/

I can't fathom how anyone would say there's a lot of night in that area - especially with two institutions closing. It's a dead zone. I commented months who that based on the development we'd see, that I feared it becoming a dead zone.

I feel vindicated in that concern.
As someone who has been in the area at night 2 times in the last month, it is definitely not a dead zone. Both The Complex and The Metro have concerts going on and there are a ton of cars lined up all around the blocks near there. The Gateway on the other hand was a different story. The southern end was quite active, but the rest of it was quite dead.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2022, 5:22 PM
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Pantages guy posted on Insta that they've filed another lawsuit.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2022, 6:17 PM
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Doesn't Pantages guy have restraining orders that say he isn't able to be on that stretch of Main Street? Or be near Mayor Mendenhall? And upcoming court dates? Dude has a lot going on.
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