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Old Posted May 24, 2018, 3:25 AM
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Welcome to election season. Let's oppose projects and go against staff recommendations to make it look like we're standing for the community. Same exact thing happened in Sandy Hill before last election. Outside of election season councillors don't care about these kinds of projects. Except for Jeff Leiper. He's fairly consistent in opposing height.
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Old Posted May 24, 2018, 9:18 AM
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I'm not sure it's fair to characterize my record as consistently opposing height. I've supported the development at Westgate (three 24- and two 36-storey towers), the wraparound Kirkwood/Byron proposal at the Superstore site (6 storeys), the Parkdale/Scott Richcraft proposal (two 25-storey towers), and recently the 1946 Scott proposal (9 storeys). Those are the bigger ones I can think of in the ward approved this term.

I'm proud of the work I did with the community in Hintonburg to not oppose the 9-storey at 979 Wellington in return for community benefits over and above the norm for affordable housing.

I even supported Councillor Harder in her motion to add more height to the strip mall in Mooney's Bay recently at Council when Committee took a floor off.

Growth and height should be thoughtful, planned-for, and directed to where it makes the most sense. I've recently gotten the commitment from staff that we'll re-visit the Westboro/Richmond secondary plan so that we can have that honest and transparent debate with residents in that area about how their neighbourhood might evolve in light of new Official Plan policies and transit.

Overall, I'd say it's a pretty balanced record.

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Welcome to election season. Let's oppose projects and go against staff recommendations to make it look like we're standing for the community. Same exact thing happened in Sandy Hill before last election. Outside of election season councillors don't care about these kinds of projects. Except for Jeff Leiper. He's fairly consistent in opposing height.
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Old Posted May 24, 2018, 1:22 PM
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I'm not sure it's fair to characterize my record as consistently opposing height. I've supported the development at Westgate (three 24- and two 36-storey towers), the wraparound Kirkwood/Byron proposal at the Superstore site (6 storeys), the Parkdale/Scott Richcraft proposal (two 25-storey towers), and recently the 1946 Scott proposal (9 storeys). Those are the bigger ones I can think of in the ward approved this term.

I'm proud of the work I did with the community in Hintonburg to not oppose the 9-storey at 979 Wellington in return for community benefits over and above the norm for affordable housing.

I even supported Councillor Harder in her motion to add more height to the strip mall in Mooney's Bay recently at Council when Committee took a floor off.

Growth and height should be thoughtful, planned-for, and directed to where it makes the most sense. I've recently gotten the commitment from staff that we'll re-visit the Westboro/Richmond secondary plan so that we can have that honest and transparent debate with residents in that area about how their neighbourhood might evolve in light of new Official Plan policies and transit.

Overall, I'd say it's a pretty balanced record.
That was my backwards way of giving you a complement. You don't seem to be opposing projects because it's election season.

I admit, I don't go over councillors' voting records, but most times I read about you in the news it's because you're against a development's height so that's my perception.

Your voting record looks good but you also opposed the two 25 floor proposals for Scott and McRae that are close to Westboro Station. Those proposals seemed thoughtful and directed to where it makes sense.

Supporting the Westgate redevelopment while opposing development near a future LRT station seems odd though. But my comment wasn't meant to convey that you were doing a bad job.
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Old Posted May 24, 2018, 2:23 PM
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That was my backwards way of giving you a complement. You don't seem to be opposing projects because it's election season.

I admit, I don't go over councillors' voting records, but most times I read about you in the news it's because you're against a development's height so that's my perception.

Your voting record looks good but you also opposed the two 25 floor proposals for Scott and McRae that are close to Westboro Station. Those proposals seemed thoughtful and directed to where it makes sense.

Supporting the Westgate redevelopment while opposing development near a future LRT station seems odd though. But my comment wasn't meant to convey that you were doing a bad job.
Thanks, appreciate it.

It's just a question of providing residents fair, upfront planning. Those towers went from a secondary plan that foresaw 4-6 storey buildings there (!) to 25+. People do look at zoning and plans before they buy. If the City's intention in light of the new OP policies and arrival of LRT is to go much denser and taller, then let's transparently put up our hands and vote for that as an update to the secondary plan. It's taken three years, but I'm finally glad to have that commitment.

Let's face it, a secondary plan that was developed 10+ years ago needs to be refreshed. Four- to six-storey zoning across from an LRT station is likely not defensible. But when the evolution of the neighbourhood is done in an ad hoc fashion, it leaves residents uncertain about what's going to be approved next. We know that around the corner on Clifton, developers are assembling parcels. We're seeing the wraparound now at Roosevelt. Tweedsmuir will be next, streets like Edgewood and Wilmont. Does the City intend to stick to the R3 or R4 zoning between Byron and the transitway from IPD to Golden? Or, will it be willing to start approving higher, denser buildings? Density on the edge of a community is one thing, but it makes a difference to the quality of life of many when it starts creeping up the low-rise. What's the plan? If we intend to start allowing that geography to go much, much higher, let's plan for it. At least that will allow people to make buying and selling decisions about where they want to live.

There's also the question of parking. The now-twin towers at Scott/McRae saw their height and density justified by proximity to the new LRT station. Ok, that's legitimate. But, each has a full complement of parking. The traffic is getting worse, the roads are getting worse, and the safety of pedestrians and cyclists is being diminished by the congestion and resulting cut-through - with inadequate resources being added to help us deal with it. I don't think the City should be approving buildings that dump hundreds and hundreds of cars into the neighbourhood when the focus is supposed to be a sustainable, transit-oriented community.

I think rather than just opposing height, I'm trying to be thoughtful about what goes where, and to try to be principled in how we engage with residents. We have good secondary plans like Scott Street and Wellington West that provide for significant growth and height in the right places, and because they're new and modern do a good job of guiding how development proceeds. It's high time we have that for Westboro. Let's put it all on the table
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Old Posted May 24, 2018, 4:02 PM
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Old Posted May 25, 2018, 3:34 PM
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But when the evolution of the neighbourhood is done in an ad hoc fashion, it leaves residents uncertain about what's going to be approved next.
When neighbourhoods evolve in an ad hoc fashion, you end up with... pretty much great neighbourhoods. That's how the best urban neighbourhoods develop.

When you have "certainty" and "planning" and residents who think they are entitled to a say in what other people do with their property, you end up with sterile crap.

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Density on the edge of a community is one thing, but it makes a difference to the quality of life of many when it starts creeping up the low-rise.
What difference does it make to one's quality of life?

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If we intend to start allowing that geography to go much, much higher, let's plan for it. At least that will allow people to make buying and selling decisions about where they want to live.
Fun fact: people can already make those decisions.
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Old Posted May 25, 2018, 7:54 PM
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There's also the question of parking. The now-twin towers at Scott/McRae saw their height and density justified by proximity to the new LRT station. Ok, that's legitimate. But, each has a full complement of parking. The traffic is getting worse, the roads are getting worse, and the safety of pedestrians and cyclists is being diminished by the congestion and resulting cut-through - with inadequate resources being added to help us deal with it. I don't think the City should be approving buildings that dump hundreds and hundreds of cars into the neighbourhood when the focus is supposed to be a sustainable, transit-oriented community.
I don't think it's fair to blame new builds for all the traffic problems and pedestrian/ cyclist safety issues, when most of the traffic comes from the ever expanding car-dependent suburbs and from residents of "urban" wards that drive their cars. It isn't fair to use that to oppose new, higher density buildings in urban wards or near transit stations. Higher density buildings in urban wards means you'll have more people that will be able to choose not to drive - more people walking and biking, and ideally taking transit. If instead of building up centrally or at transit stations, they'll just move to the suburbs and drive downtown, requiring places to park and undermining the City's attempts to be sustainable and progressive.

It's the City's responsibility to reduce parking minimums in urban wards, to reduce or eliminate parking around transit stations and to hold developers to that if they propose buildings are transit stations. The City should also be doing something about the increasing number of people who live in urban wards and drive cars, as I'm fairly confident the traffic we see is caused by them. Households nowadays have 2+ cars per households, and people expect that they can live downtown much like they do in the suburbs. They should be tackling this issue and reduce parking permitted for those houses and on-street parking. We should be building up in central neighbourhoods and not building space for storing cars to make sustainable, transit-oriented communities. I recognize you cited other reasons to oppose the McRae proposals, but the height is definitely appropriate for the area regardless of whether the City has bothered to update zoning around all transit stations, and it wouldn't be fair to the City's efforts to build more sustainably to oppose this building. Would should happen instead is for the excessive parking to be brought up as an issue and have the developer changed the plans to reduce or eliminate parking. But if the building's parking conforms to the City's zoning, then the City should be working hard to change zoning at transit stations (and centrally) to reduce and eliminate parking minimums. That responsibility falls squarely on the City.

I would like to see council in the new term building many more SBL, investing more in public transit and not screw it up, and reducing parking minimums for new buildings. TOD should only have some parking built for people with disabilities and car-sharing programs. All buildings should have a lot of bike parking so people can have and use bikes. This would be cheaper for developers because building parking is expensive, and without building much they won't have to spend more money and time excavating the site to build the parking. Hopefully these cost savings could be transmitted to buyers by offering cheaper prices.

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Old Posted May 25, 2018, 11:55 PM
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[B]Proposed Westboro condo building reduced in height by rare planning committee ruling

“At what point do we stop the intensification?” asked resident Heather Nicolson. “We are already full in Westboro.”

Another said the damage to the trendy neighbourhood’s “vibe” has already been done. “Westboro is completely changing and that’s a big concern,” said Isabelle Martineau. “They are destroying the neighbourhood.”

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news...height-by-rare-planning-committee-ruling
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2018, 11:23 PM
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appealed to OMB
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2018, 1:07 AM
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appealed to OMB
Who appealed it? Residents? Community Assocation? or developer as they didn't get the height requested?
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2018, 10:57 PM
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Who appealed it? Residents? Community Assocation? or developer as they didn't get the height requested?
not sure who appealed it; it was just listed as "appealed to OMB" on the devapp
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Not sure what is normal at OMB appeals but this is a bit eyebrow raising

from https://www.omb.gov.on.ca/e%2Ddecisions/pl180670%2Djul%2D02%2D2020.pdf

[1] This matter was subject to a two-day hearing on February 27 – 28, 2020 by former Member C. Bryson, whose term of office terminated on April 17, 2020.

[2] Since that time, former Member Bryson has refused and/or neglected to respond to inquiries from Tribunals Ontario as to the progress being made on outstanding decisions by the Member, and, has also neglected and/or refused to return any of the files related to her outstanding decisions. It is noted that former Member Bryson sent an e-mail correspondence dated June 2, 2020 to counsel for the parties in the within appeal, informing them that her term of office had terminated and that while she remained willing and able to complete the decision in this matter in the coming weeks, she had been removed from same by direction of the Tribunal. This panel has been advised that at no time did the Tribunal direct, prevent or otherwise obstruct former Member Bryson from completing any of her outstanding decisions.

[3] By letter dated June 16, 2020, Associate Chair Hubbard advised counsel for the parties that this matter would be re-heard by another Member of the Tribunal on an expedited basis.
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Not sure what is normal at OMB appeals but this is a bit eyebrow raising

from https://www.omb.gov.on.ca/e%2Ddecisions/pl180670%2Djul%2D02%2D2020.pdf

[1] This matter was subject to a two-day hearing on February 27 – 28, 2020 by former Member C. Bryson, whose term of office terminated on April 17, 2020.

[2] Since that time, former Member Bryson has refused and/or neglected to respond to inquiries from Tribunals Ontario as to the progress being made on outstanding decisions by the Member, and, has also neglected and/or refused to return any of the files related to her outstanding decisions. It is noted that former Member Bryson sent an e-mail correspondence dated June 2, 2020 to counsel for the parties in the within appeal, informing them that her term of office had terminated and that while she remained willing and able to complete the decision in this matter in the coming weeks, she had been removed from same by direction of the Tribunal. This panel has been advised that at no time did the Tribunal direct, prevent or otherwise obstruct former Member Bryson from completing any of her outstanding decisions.

[3] By letter dated June 16, 2020, Associate Chair Hubbard advised counsel for the parties that this matter would be re-heard by another Member of the Tribunal on an expedited basis.
Sounds like a bitter ex member of LPAT whose term didn't get renewed so the member downed tools and didn't finish up the work they started.

Technically, I believe members have a year to provide a decision and quite frankly that is very disappointing for everybody to take so long.
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LPAT hearing was held in late January 2021, no decision posted yet
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Here's today's decision. The appeals are dismissed.
From: https://twitter.com/JLeiper/status/1379454419973050370
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Here's today's decision. The appeals are dismissed.
From: https://twitter.com/JLeiper/status/1379454419973050370
Wow...quite a crushing defeat for the appellants. The residents nearby won't be happy.
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Domicile website indicates that they are exiting residential market

Wonder what will happen with this project as the Domicile website now indicates the following:

After 45 years of award-winning urban infill development in Ottawa, Domicile’s owners have decided to end Domicile’s residential development and sale operations. We will carry on just to concentrate on Domicile’s large and expanding investment in commercial real estate located throughout Ottawa. We thank our many buyers over these years. You shared our early vision and succeeded along with us. Together as pioneers, we created new housing and brought positive change to urban Ottawa.

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It will be weird that a company called Domicile won't be dealing with homes
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Updated stone and bronze design by RLA. IMO this is miles ahead of the previous faux historic brick + beige precast proposal. Please more above average RLA projects!







https://devapps.ottawa.ca/en/applications/D07-12-17-0171/details

This will be a nice addition to the mix of mid rises at the Kichi sibi node including the Tubman building.

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