Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5 - Page 629

Ironweed · #**12561** Posted **Jan 16, 2022, 12:31 AM**

[QUOTE=Blah_Amazing;9504489]Eh, not really. Remember, the start of the 2010s was declining in reaction to the financial crisis, which hit downtown and Salt Lake City harder then the suburban areas. Utah stabilized faster than most states, but we have really only seen actual development growth since 2017 or so, City Creek not withstanding.

I saw a population estimate for 2022 of 201,665 for the city.
Where do all of you think it is really?

Blah_Amazing · #**12562** Posted **Jan 16, 2022, 2:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by Ironweed

I saw a population estimate for 2022 of 201,665 for the city.
Where do all of you think it is really?

Hey Ironweed, don’t forget to keep the [ /QUOTE ] (minus spaces) at the end of the quote in order to retain and close the quote.

Depending on when this year that is probably close to accurate as well. If it’s the start of the year that is probably close. I’ve seen 2021 estimates around that number showing we have recovered and moved up a bit from 2020. Barring COVID continuing to get worse and interrupting projects or keeping people from moving to the city it should be getting closer to 205,000. This is a really bad wave and I wouldn’t be shocked if schools start to close again like in 2020.

There are way too many variables going on to project that right now. I wouldn’t trust any short term one year projection to land on the right number. However, if construction continues at current pace and demand continues to fuel that pace we should see substantial growth in the coming decade that will drastically outpace the 2010s overall.

rockies · #**12563** Posted **Jan 16, 2022, 3:19 AM**

Phoenix's Astra looks awesome. I tried to hate for the giant parking garage but it's just a cool project.

Also, I would be absolutely shocked to see anything remotely like 2020 happen regarding college students... Apart from it being illegal for less than 75% of classes to be online nearly every professor in my experience has suggested likely the opposite of more restrictions in coming weeks/months. I would doubt to see that affect population numbers going forward

Blah_Amazing · #**12564** Posted **Jan 16, 2022, 3:37 AM**

Timberlane Partners Divests of 137-Unit Morton Apartments in Salt Lake City

https://rebusinessonline.com/timberlane-...nit-morton-apartments-in-salt-lake-city/

I may be wrong, but wasn’t Timberlane also involved in the Convexity Tower project next door in some way?

meman · #**12565** Posted **Jan 16, 2022, 2:44 PM**

Someone asked earlier on this thread the status of the Convexity Tower.

I was talking to someone from Layton construction in November and they told me that Convexity tower wound be going vertical in Februrary.

locolife · #**12566** Posted **Jan 16, 2022, 3:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by rockies

Phoenix's Astra looks awesome. I tried to hate for the giant parking garage but it's just a cool project.

Also, I would be absolutely shocked to see anything remotely like 2020 happen regarding college students... Apart from it being illegal for less than 75% of classes to be online nearly every professor in my experience has suggested likely the opposite of more restrictions in coming weeks/months. I would doubt to see that affect population numbers going forward

It's nice to see big downtown projects happening in both of "my" cities. I'd like to see more designs of Astra Phoenix but I like what I've seen. Really excited to see SLC again when it thaws out this summer, I tend to visit mainly in the warmer months.

I also agree with you on the college students, I live in Tempe and ASU is something like the 7th largest public university campus and it was a major impact here when they basically shut down the school. The city did make the best of it and fast tracked construction of the street car... but luckily I have not seen any signs that they'll go back to a 2020 restrictions, lets hope it stays that way.

delts145 · #**12567** Posted **Jan 16, 2022, 3:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Blah_Amazing

Eh, not really. Remember, the start of the 2010s was declining in reaction to the financial crisis, which hit downtown and Salt Lake City harder then the suburban areas. Utah stabilized faster than most states, but we have really only seen actual development growth since 2017 or so, City Creek not withstanding.

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Originally Posted by Ironweed

I saw a population estimate for 2022 of 201,665 for the city. Where do all of you think it is really?

I was looking at the same population estimates the other day. I still think both Salt Lake City and Provo are underreported. However, I was kind of startled when I added up the 2022 estimates for the greater metro. The greater Wasatch CSA is expanding very quickly. Salt Lake City CSA is now roughly 2,850,000! That's including Ogden/Layton/& Morgan County added in, Salt Lake County, which also includes Tooele in its metro, and Provo/Orem. That also includes what I call the eastern metro of Summit and Wasatch Co's, which are also growing like crazy. However that doesnot include further north like the Logan or Brigham City areas. Anyway, that specific area of the Wasatch Front and immediate east/west peripheries will easily put the Wasatch CSA in the 3 million-plus category sometime this decade. At least if the current trajectories hold. Utah should reach the 4 million mark sometime between 2029 and 2031.

I think the real substantial growth we've all been anticipating for Salt Lake City proper will materialize this decade as many of that central-south southwest, and central-west empty/underdeveloped areas fill in with new multi-unit housing.

SLCLvr · #**12568** Posted **Jan 16, 2022, 5:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by delts145

I think the real substantial growth we've all been anticipating for Salt Lake City proper will materialize this decade as many of that central-south southwest, and central-west empty/underdeveloped areas fill in with new multi-unit housing.

For example, the current area of D2, which saw population loss in the 2020 census, could easily see 2,000-5,000 growth in the next ten years based on what's happening on North Temple between the river and I-15, Euclid, and along 900 W with the higher number possible if there is some real action in the Power District towards the end of the decade.

bflatflat9 · #**12569** Posted **Jan 17, 2022, 4:11 AM**

Did anyone read the article in the Trib on Hatman's Rio Grande plans?
Fucking Huge!
It's out there!
Go Hatman!

bflatflat9 · #**12570** Posted **Jan 17, 2022, 4:16 AM**

Hope this isn't a double post, but did anyone read the article in the Trib about Hatman's idea for the Rio Grande area?
Awesome.
Could lead to traction.
Go Hatman!

Atlas · #**12571** Posted **Jan 17, 2022, 4:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by bflatflat9

Did anyone read the article in the Trib on Hatman's Rio Grande plans?
Fucking Huge!
It's out there!
Go Hatman!

No, I haven't seen it yet. Do you have a link or was it only in the print edition so far?

EDIT: looks like it was on the front page for this week's print edition ! Amazing! I wonder when we will see an internet version of the article.

locolife · #**12572** Posted **Jan 17, 2022, 2:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by delts145

I was looking at the same population estimates the other day. I still think both Salt Lake City and Provo are underreported. However, I was kind of startled when I added up the 2022 estimates for the greater metro. The greater Wasatch CSA is expanding very quickly. Salt Lake City CSA is now roughly 2,850,000! That's including Ogden/Layton/& Morgan County added in, Salt Lake County, which also includes Tooele in its metro, and Provo/Orem. That also includes what I call the eastern metro of Summit and Wasatch Co's, which are also growing like crazy. However that doesnot include further north like the Logan or Brigham City areas. Anyway, that specific area of the Wasatch Front and immediate east/west peripheries will easily put the Wasatch CSA in the 3 million-plus category sometime this decade. At least if the current trajectories hold. Utah should reach the 4 million mark sometime between 2029 and 2031.

I think the real substantial growth we've all been anticipating for Salt Lake City proper will materialize this decade as many of that central-south southwest, and central-west empty/underdeveloped areas fill in with new multi-unit housing.

It's hard to predict the future but the cost of living headwinds could play a factor, however most of Utah's growth still comes from births within the state not people relocating from elsewhere so it probably continues about the same as it's been. Hopefully some of this growth comes from people wanting to live in a denser environment as opposed to continuing to sprawl North/South/East/West.

Atlas · #**12573** Posted **Jan 17, 2022, 3:26 PM**

Congrats on the publicity Hatman! We even got an SSP shout-out! Full steam ahead!

The ‘audacious’ train plan that could remake a key part of Salt Lake City

smartdev · #**12574** Posted **Jan 17, 2022, 5:38 PM**

It looks like it's a subscriber's only article. Can someone kindly provide a cliffs notes version of the details?

Atlas · #**12575** Posted **Jan 17, 2022, 5:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by smartdev

It looks like it's a subscriber's only article. Can someone kindly provide a cliffs notes version of the details?

https://outline.com/gEpzPJ

i2theSKY · #**12576** Posted **Jan 17, 2022, 5:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by locolife

It's hard to predict the future but the cost of living headwinds could play a factor, however most of Utah's growth still comes from births within the state not people relocating from elsewhere so it probably continues about the same as it's been. Hopefully some of this growth comes from people wanting to live in a denser environment as opposed to continuing to sprawl North/South/East/West.

Historically this has been accurate, but in 2021 nearly 60% of Utahs growth came from net migration.