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Old Posted Oct 27, 2021, 4:42 PM
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You guys believe SLC will ever get a super tall approved, or will the county not allow something that tall?


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One word guys: Xanax.

Some great info mixed in though over the last few days, loving these updates.




I’m really liking this potential view of the skyline. Right now the east west span of the high rises in the skyline is essentially 2 blocks. This would be about 5 blocks, or 3/4 mile. Of course I have my doubts as well.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2021, 5:02 PM
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Something I noticed in an article in the Tribune this morning:

https://www.sltrib.com/news/business/2021/10/27/utahs-era-big-tax-breaks/
Utah’s era of big tax breaks to attract new businesses may be nearing an end

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The long-used system of post-performance tax rebates forgoes a portion of future revenues generated by incoming businesses in exchange for guarantees those employers create new high-paying jobs over future years.

We are redoing all the state incentives,” said Ben Hart, deputy director of the Governor’s Office of Economic Opportunity, including, he added, “really ramping down support and incentives” going to large retail companies.
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Go Utah wants to essentially forbid for incoming business any retail subsidies, incentives and other streams of money devoted to infrastructure such as sewer lines or roads in all but a few cases, he said. Exceptions would be limited to areas with below-average wages and developments where half the construction by square footage is devoted to housing and half that housing is affordable.

Rebates might also be allowed for projects proposed for environmentally contaminated sites and for local small-business support and Main Street beautification programs.
*Bolding is from me*

It looks like the State will be updating the incentives for not only the State but also Cities.

2 things of relevance here are first, the Race to the Bottom aspect of stopping the competition between Cities to offer incentives for Retail/Restaurants to open a location in their City. This will stop Cities from bidding lower against each other just to get the sales tax revenue. This also will likely lead to many suburban cities needing to raise taxes as retail/restaurants begin to be more picky about where they expand since they won't get reduced taxes.

Second thing of note is that the State looks to be stopping incentives for infrastructure. This has been one of the key items that has spurred the growth at the point of the mountain over SLC. As many suburban locations are lacking in infrastructure, developers have pushed for and received incentives for infrastructure as a way to help lure companies to their developments. They do this by using the infrastructure incentives as a way to lower lease rates.

Both of these will have far reaching effects but the biggest is with the 2nd item in that SLC will be the biggest winner as the infrastructure is primarily in place and any impact fees can be used to upgrade what is needed. This isn't as doable in the suburbs due to the lower infrastructure levels

Lastly, there is discussion of allowing incentives for low income housing. I see this as more of a win for SLC than the suburbs because when coupled with #2, the housing if built in SLC will only bolster the prominence of SLC as it would get a double win, company expansion/relocation and additional lower income housing.

The discussion about allowing full incentives including infrastructure for rural expansions is minor as there isn't much happening there outside of warehousing which may help some won't be enough to offset the incentives provided.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2021, 5:14 PM
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You guys believe SLC will ever get a super tall approved, or will the county not allow something that tall?
The issue isn't getting a super tall approved -- it would be getting it financed.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2021, 5:33 PM
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The issue isn't getting a super tall approved -- it would be getting it financed.
I think that when a supertall is wanted/needed it will be financed. The biggest issue is demand. Outside of Residential, I don't think there is enough demand to justify a supertall. Saying that, even though there is a demand for housing, with the amount of open and underutilized locations in the Downtown area, there is no way that a developer would consider building that tall.

Now, in the near term ( 3 - 7 years ), it is very likely that we could see start seeing developments planned within the 450' to 600' range.

Overall, a Supertall just isn't something that would be considered until the SL Valley is pushing upwards of 2.5 Million for population. As of today, the Valley is roughly half this amount.

Of course, this all can get blown out the window if we have a hyper rich person or company that wants the ultimate vanity project but that is highly doubtful.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2021, 7:24 PM
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SLC doesn't need supertalls right now. A few 5-600 footers would be amazing
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2021, 7:53 PM
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SLC doesn't need supertalls right now. A few 5-600 footers would be amazing
Yes I agree. 600 ft would be pretty impressive. Help the skyline not look so flat top. Astra tower at 500-600ft would have been very impressive.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2021, 8:24 PM
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2021, 8:53 PM
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You guys believe SLC will ever get a super tall approved, or will the county not allow something that tall?
Gosh I can’t remember where I saw this, but there was a video that really got my attention on the topic of supertalls. It might’ve been B1m on YouTube actually. Anyways, it talked about how supertalls were kind of an outdated idea. They don’t provide enough to the urban environment to justify their cost, and we have to remember that the urban environment isn’t just the architecture and scaling of buildings, the pedestrian element is just as important.
I guess a counter argument would be like Shanghai Tower or the 1WTC, since they’ve been built in already urban environments, whereas the Burj Khalifa was literally just plopped in the middle of a desert, and city was kinda built up around it. Idk, I’m just a high schooler so I don’t know much lol. Just thought those points made were valid. If we’re talking just about vanity tho, of course a supertall would be dope to have in SLC

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Old Posted Oct 27, 2021, 10:18 PM
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The only cities in the U.S. that have supertalls are New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Houston. Miami has their first one under construction. Austin and Seattle have supertall proposals that have advanced beyond the purely conceptual stage.

I can't say that Salt Lake City will NEVER get a supertall, but there is no way we are joining that list of cities any time soon. We are just not nearly big or dense enough to support or justify a supertall.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2021, 10:20 PM
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The only cities in the U.S. that have supertalls are New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Atlanta, and Houston. Miami has their first one under construction. Austin and Seattle have supertall proposals that have advanced beyond the purely conceptual stage.

I can't say that Salt Lake City will NEVER get a supertall, but there is no way we are joining that list of cities any time soon. We are just not nearly big or dense enough to support or justify a supertall.

Well to be fair, if Austin can do it. I mean Austin is incredible. Just look at that place 15 years ago. It wasn't that much more impressive than Salt Lake. Every time I drive through the downtown I am absolutely amazed at how much has happened there. It seriously feels like SLC could be on the verge of something similar. Maybe not on the scale of austin, but something similar for sure
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2021, 10:49 PM
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Shot this from the top floor of the UofU Law School building, which has some STUNNING views.
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Old Posted Oct 27, 2021, 11:08 PM
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2021, 1:31 AM
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Ucsbgaucho, That's one of the best shots I've seen from the East. That's a perfect shot for Orlando to fill in with the massings. Astra and Convexity would look great in that shot.
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2021, 1:37 AM
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Great picture. The CCH is looking taller then I expected. You gotta get that shot again when Astra is done as well. It will be 100ft taller then UtahOne center. That will be a great angle.
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2021, 2:45 AM
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The tax incentives offered to companies didn’t seem too egregious compared to other states. I didn’t read the article but if they are going after large employers with good paying jobs to targeted areas for economic development I’m pretty ok with the tax incentives. I think people were getting upset with tax incentives for these recent data centers. I don’t really think these data centers are worth the extra effort unless they spur a lot of support business to help run and supply them but I don’t know enough about these data centers to make a good argument for them. Probably the construction of them was good money for Utah workers? Again, I didn’t read the article but I think some decent results happened from the GOED in general besides the data centers. I think it would be worth using the GOED to seed some small start ups that have a lot of potential. A few more tech unicorns would be welcome. Facebook, and the data centers can pay their own way. We’re there some incentives given out that we’re way out of line locally I’m not aware of?
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2021, 6:43 AM
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What project(s) are you referring to? The ones I mentioned?
None in particular, I was referring to this in general. You did mention some of the potential sites though. Maybe one of these sites will be Salt Lake's 500 footer
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Once 95 state is completed where do we think the CCR will turn their focus next? Cascade? Parking lot west of temple square?
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2021, 1:32 PM
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Great photo ucsbgaucho. If the project west of the new courthouse gets built this view will be towers from left to right.
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2021, 2:13 PM
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What photo? It's gone now.
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2021, 3:15 PM
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I see it - it's there. Great photo.
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2021, 3:45 PM
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What photo? It's gone now.
On my desktop it's on the previous (20 posts per page). Let's bring it over here, it's well worth it.

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Shot this from the top floor of the UofU Law School building, which has some STUNNING views.

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