Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5 - Page 548

meman · #**10941** Posted **Jul 31, 2021, 1:27 PM**

Just an interesting note.

years ago there was a resturant on top of the University Club building that was really neat called Ninos. The view was fantastic.

delts145 · #**10942** Posted **Jul 31, 2021, 2:29 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlas

Here's the version with Astra:

Worth pointing out that Convexity and Moda Luxe will also be visible in this view (bottom left)

Would a portion of the Theatre Tower be visible from this view and still allow for some of the CCH to be visible?

Also just a thought, but at this point, if the Dakota Pacific is being held up because of the Hotel component I would just as soon the tower become entirely mid to upscale residential. If the hotel industry's downward investment trend is going to continue for the foreseeable future then leave it up to W. Temple and West Downtown for future hotel development when the capital for the hospitality market is in better shape. What do you think Schmoe? Is there a chance that Dakota Pacific will alter its mix some? Maybe that's too much info. for you to share...

.

i2theSKY · #**10943** Posted **Jul 31, 2021, 5:08 PM**

With the Theater Tower being between the US Bank and Kearns building, I think the Astra would effectively eclipse the Theater Tower from this angle. If anything you might see a slight glimpse of the back edge from the south side. Towers eclipsing towers depending on angle is a nice problem to have IMO!

delts145 · #**10944** Posted **Jul 31, 2021, 5:24 PM**

Yeah, I was thinking the same. As presented so far it's my favorite, especially that terrace break.

Blah_Amazing · #**10945** Posted **Jul 31, 2021, 6:27 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlas

Worth pointing out that Convexity and Moda Luxe will also be visible in this view (bottom left)

Full size:

I drew a quick shape for Convexity. It's not measured and is a guesstimate for Convexity's 335 feet, but I think I got it pretty close to accurate.

To me, it looks like it is going to have a significant impact on the skyline from the Eastern angles.

Comrade · #**10946** Posted **Jul 31, 2021, 10:00 PM**

When I see these projections of the skyline, I can't help but get stuck on how damn boxy it looks. It's really ugly, even with these proposals. Reminds me of the cities I built when I was a kid using those block toys.

Gastroc · #**10947** Posted **Aug 1, 2021, 2:06 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Comrade

Many cities tend to grow into their tallest tower. It's like someone lifts the seal off the top of the skyline and you start seeing ramped up, taller towers (almost as if it's okay now that one made the plunge).

I am convinced this is why Salt Lake continues to have so many proposals around the same height as their tallest - because it's been that way pretty much since the 1970s.

So, I say absolutely go big. Our skyline sucks. It sucks with the current towers being built. It'll continue to suck until someone actually pushes the height limit beyond just 500 or even 600 feet.

I think a 700 footer would look great in the skyline and have a sizable impact in making Salt Lake look like an actual city and not some flyover town with a skyline more in line with Boise than the other major cities in the region.

The Devon Tower is very impressive in person. I used to think it was ugly but it looks great from many angles. And to Comrade's point, it spurred the building of the BOK Tower, OKC's 4th tallest. I think that building a 700 footer in SLC would spur building of taller buildings to complement it because it has been done many times in other cities. (i.e. Minneapolis, OKC, etc.)

smartdev · #**10948** Posted **Aug 1, 2021, 2:08 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Comrade

When I see these projections of the skyline, I can't help but get stuck on how damn boxy it looks. It's really ugly, even with these proposals. Reminds me of the cities I built when I was a kid using those block toys.

I'm fine with the proposals. Downtown needs density more than it needs an iconic tower or unique architecture imo. Most cities copy other cities when it comes to design anyway. As soon as styles change you'll see salt lake shift away from its boxy 80s style proposals.

bob rulz · #**10949** Posted **Aug 1, 2021, 12:39 PM**

On an unrelated note - and perhaps minor to most of you guys - Slackwater is opening a location at Industry SLC. This is a big deal to me because 1) it's a great, respected local business and 2) it is easily the most high-profile restaurant to locate in that area. It's exciting to see how the Granary District is developing and hopefully in another 5 years it will be a real hip nightlife/food destination.

BretUtah · #**10950** Posted **Aug 1, 2021, 6:34 PM**

I was walking down Main Street the other day and noticed that one of the window coverings blocking the view of the old Off Broadway Theater fell off. I was able to see a few renderings of new options for the space. It looks like the building is called the Clift Theater and they are looking at putting in a restaurant. I hope we get a new restaurant in that space, I was so upset when they did not renew the contract with Barbacoa to put in an ATM next door.

Comrade · #**10951** Posted **Aug 1, 2021, 11:51 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by smartdev

I'm fine with the proposals. Downtown needs density more than it needs an iconic tower or unique architecture imo. Most cities copy other cities when it comes to design anyway. As soon as styles change you'll see salt lake shift away from its boxy 80s style proposals.

I don't understand why you're talking as if it's an either or - density or more unique towers? That's not remotely the case.

You can build density without every tower basically looking like a version of the last with minor tweaks. But your last comment is funny because literally every decade Salt Lake has a tower built, nearly every one is boxy - whether it's the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s or now the 20s. So, obviously that isn't the case for Salt Lake outside a very tiny handful of high rises.

Even Tower 8, which is not exactly a box, pretty much looks like a box in the skyline. There's no diversity and that makes the skyline look very bland.

Gastroc · #**10952** Posted **Aug 2, 2021, 12:22 AM**

Excuse the photoshop skills but this is a rough idea of an 800+ footer. I tried to calibrate it to the COB height which is roughly half the height of the Devon Tower.

rockies · #**10953** Posted **Aug 2, 2021, 12:30 AM**

pretty dystopian looking but I would still support it

EPdesign · #**10954** Posted **Aug 2, 2021, 12:33 AM**

Perfect! And in 2031 we’ll try for a 1600 footer! No one can stop us NOW!!!

Atlas · #**10955** Posted **Aug 2, 2021, 12:45 AM**

For the forum meetup, how does Friday at 5:30pm sound? Meet at City Creek by the fountain in the plaza on the west side? We can take advantage of the Open Streets and walk around, then grab some grub somewhere.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RC14

I would be interested in a forum meetup. I think I went to the last one. If that was when we went to the top of the Wells Fargo building.

Ha nice. Was that open to the public, did you have to sneak up there, or did you have someone take you up?

smartdev · #**10956** Posted **Aug 2, 2021, 12:51 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Comrade

I don't understand why you're talking as if it's an either or - density or more unique towers? That's not remotely the case.

You can build density without every tower basically looking like a version of the last with minor tweaks. But your last comment is funny because literally every decade Salt Lake has a tower built, nearly every one is boxy - whether it's the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s or now the 20s. So, obviously that isn't the case for Salt Lake outside a very tiny handful of high rises.

Even Tower 8, which is not exactly a box, pretty much looks like a box in the skyline. There's no diversity and that makes the skyline look very bland.

I don't disagree that Salt Lake is not the most attractive looking city. I'm also not suggesting it's an either or scenario. I'm ok with the boxy proposals if it means they actually build them. Cities are attractive when they are dense and packed with people. Very few people who live in a city care how it looks on a post card. No one from outside Utah is going to be mesmerized or impressed if we have a 500 footer with a spire on it. Only you will. People visiting Salt Lake are going to care if we have restaurants and nightlife and a social scene. These proposals will bring more foot traffic to the area and with it a better city vibe instead of a town vibe. That's the problem Salt Lake has always had. It's a small big town. I'm more about functionality than looks.

wrendog · #**10957** Posted **Aug 2, 2021, 1:58 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by smartdev

No one from outside Utah is going to be mesmerized or impressed if we have a 500 footer with a spire on it. Only you will.

It's true. Most people don't think twice about a cities skyline. We are Uber needs about this stuff and that's ok.

Case in point. My wife and I are driving from LA to San Antonio and every time we pass a downtown (LA, PHX, Tucson, and El Paso on this trip) I'm craning my neck and pointing out different buildings and what not and my wife couldn't care less.

BTW, phoenix is starting to look much better. Good for them. Tucson was actually better than I expected

Utah_Dave · #**10958** Posted **Aug 2, 2021, 2:13 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gastroc

Excuse the photoshop skills but this is a rough idea of an 800+ footer. I tried to calibrate it to the COB height which is roughly half the height of the Devon Tower.

Using this photo as a reference, the Astra tower should top out right we’re the dark blue/purple horizon meets the Devon tower on the right side of the building. Think that’s about right?

Orlando · #**10959** Posted **Aug 2, 2021, 3:31 AM**

Ya, no thank you. It looks absolutely absurd.

Orlando · #**10960** Posted **Aug 2, 2021, 3:33 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blah_Amazing

Full size:

I drew a quick shape for Convexity. It's not measured and is a guesstimate for Convexity's 335 feet, but I think I got it pretty close to accurate.

To me, it looks like it is going to have a significant impact on the skyline from the Eastern angles.

It would be great to expand this view to include the Sundial, 465 Main, and the other tower on 4th South and W. Temple.