Mobility Pricing

[svlt]

Originally Posted by Klazu

The ideological hate for cars

They literally teach this in planning school. Or at least the one I went to. It's almost baked into the modern profession.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

so in this toll the metro core and make peoples lives more unaffordable plan, what happens to the person who HAS to drive through downtown even though that isn't their destination?

it isn't THEIR fault that 50% of the crossings have to go through this toll area. but i am sure the government wont care, and will love the even more money they get from those people.

[CivicBlues]

NDP provincial government needs to put the kibosh on this before it goes any further. They can't be elected on a platform of affordability when the largest city in the Province seems dead set on going to opposite way.

Perhaps we should all be writing to our MLAs on our thoughts on this.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

so in this toll the metro core and make peoples lives more unaffordable plan, what happens to the person who HAS to drive through downtown even though that isn't their destination?

it isn't THEIR fault that 50% of the crossings have to go through this toll area. but i am sure the government wont care, and will love the even more money they get from those people.

They might see congestion easing due to a yet-determined congestion pricing scheme, which, like transit that they wouldn't use, results in their commute possibly being better because folks that might otherwise be driving a car take a bus from the North Shore. Those buses were jammed up till COVID. They pay for transit via taxes but don't use it but feel the daily affect to their benefit.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

NDP provincial government needs to put the kibosh on this before it goes any further. They can't be elected on a platform of affordability when the largest city in the Province seems dead set on going to opposite way.

Perhaps we should all be writing to our MLAs on our thoughts on this.

I don't think you need to worry as everyone will have their chance in 2022's civic election when the plan will be revealed by Staff, and last I read in the Council docs is that this needs Provincial approval via the Charter.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

I don't think you need to worry as everyone will have their chance in 2022's civic election when the plan will be revealed by Staff, and last I read in the Council docs is that this needs Provincial approval via the Charter.

Sadly, there's more than enough idiots in Vancouver to vote the airheads who supported this back in.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Sadly, there's more than enough idiots in Vancouver to vote the airheads who supported this back in.

I do not disagree and I'd be curious to know if it's due to the roughly 50% of Vancouverites that supposedly do not drive in single occupancy cars to get to work.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

I do not disagree and I'd be curious to know if it's due to the roughly 50% of Vancouverites that supposedly do not drive in single occupancy cars to get to work.

Probably. Everybody loves a tax that they don't pay.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

I do not disagree and I'd be curious to know if it's due to the roughly 50% of Vancouverites that supposedly do not drive in single occupancy cars to get to work.

Which of course highlights a very strong case for municipal amalgamation. The fact that CoV staff and many on council think making decisions that effect the whole Metro area should reside with those who govern one small part of it. 50% of $675k people, out of a metro population of 2.5 million?

Does everyone going from the North Shore to UBC have to pay this if they go through downtown? Then the unintended consequence will be more GHG emissions as they detour to the Ironworkers bridge and take a longer route. Ditto with those going to Whistler from the airport.

And while 50% of Vancouverites may not go downtown to work, they may go downtown to watch a game, see a show etc. This would make all that more expensive.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Which of course highlights a very strong case for municipal amalgamation. The fact that CoV staff and many on council think making decisions that effect the whole Metro area should reside with those who govern one small part of it. 50% of $675k people, out of a metro population of 2.5 million?

Does everyone going from the North Shore to UBC have to pay this if they go through downtown? Then the unintended consequence will be more GHG emissions as they detour to the Ironworkers bridge and take a longer route. Ditto with those going to Whistler from the airport.

And while 50% of Vancouverites may not go downtown to work, they may go downtown to watch a game, see a show etc. This would make all that more expensive.

This will likely be implemented during rush hour.

[scottN]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Probably. Everybody loves a tax that they don't pay.

Exactly. Commuters from outside vancouver love that vancouver businesses, landlords and homeowners pay for the roads and street parking downtown. Those commuters don't get to vote in Vancouver municipal elections which is why we are seeing this shift from property taxes to a congestion charge (assuming the congestion fees go into general revenue rather than into a new program).

[Jimbo604]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

NDP provincial government needs to put the kibosh on this before it goes any further. They can't be elected on a platform of affordability when the largest city in the Province seems dead set on going to opposite way.

Perhaps we should all be writing to our MLAs on our thoughts on this.

NDP already put the kibosh on one mobility pricing scheme...

[s211]

Originally Posted by Jimbo604

NDP already put the kibosh on one mobility pricing scheme...

Apparently the City has turned a deaf ear.

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

it isn't THEIR fault that 50% of the crossings have to go through this toll area. but i am sure the government wont care, and will love the even more money they get from those people.

A reminder that this isn't the NDP proposing and tabling this. The NDP have already been clear that this is the COV's idea exclusively and they do not endorse it.

[WBC]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

I do not disagree and I'd be curious to know if it's due to the roughly 50% of Vancouverites that supposedly do not drive in single occupancy cars to get to work.

1) As far as I know that number (50%) was based on surveys not the actually observed numbers. I would be curious to know if there is a better way to determine this other then ask people what they supposedly do.

2) Eventually some form of regional mobility pricing will need to be done to replace gas tax. I would support this but as a replacement for Translink's revenue not as CoV's slush fund.

3) After pandemic are we sure that all these people will return to their downtown offices? Are we sure we need all these people physically at UBC to "study"?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by WBC

1) As far as I know that number (50%) was based on surveys not the actually observed numbers. I would be curious to know if there is a better way to determine this other then ask people what they supposedly do.

The 50% figure comes from the census - so a survey, but generally regarded as an accurate one. The 2016 census showed 45.4% of City of Vancouver residents driving to work, 3.6% as passengers, 29.7% taking transit, 13.7% walking and 6.1% riding a bicycle.

In the 10 years from 2006 to 2016, the City of Vancouver saw the greatest increase in walk and bike to work of all Canadian cities (with a population of 100,000 or more). It had the highest proportion of the population walking and biking - the next highest after Vancouver at 19.8% was the City of Montreal with 12.5%.

Given the increase in biking in the past few years, and the improved facilities for cyclists it seems likely that the 2021 data will show higher bike use.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by WBC

1) As far as I know that number (50%) was based on surveys not the actually observed numbers. I would be curious to know if there is a better way to determine this other then ask people what they supposedly do.

2) Eventually some form of regional mobility pricing will need to be done to replace gas tax. I would support this but as a replacement for Translink's revenue not as CoV's slush fund.

3) After pandemic are we sure that all these people will return to their downtown offices? Are we sure we need all these people physically at UBC to "study"?

Oh jeez here we go. Questioning UBC student numbers post pandemic means you’re questioning the viability of the Broadway extension. Also questioning post pandemic office worker numbers means you’re hinting at less office tower construction. Great questions if you’re having a normal conversation with someone in reality, but here? People will crucify your for it.

[GenWhy?]

I think the census data was pretty close to that, and unfortunately the 2021 census is going to be effed. I was really looking forward to it for work. B-line upgrades and the evergreen line..

I think there was some Downtown traffic data resulting from the viaduct studies that showed car traffic in and out of the area was the same as the late 60s.

When the study comes out in 2021/2022 I think we'll have a better picture.

[Metro-One]

It really does come off as a slap in the face to those supporting Vancouver’s economy from the outside.

I am sure my brother will love it as an elevator repair man (who lives in New West) who needs to drive a work van for all his equipment.

Please come fix our elevators! But you also need to pay us for the privilege of visiting our peninsula...

Although I am sure that extra cost will just be added to the customer’s bill

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

It really does come off as a slap in the face to those supporting Vancouver’s economy from the outside.

I am sure my brother will love it as an elevator repair man (who lives in New West) who needs to drive a work van for all his equipment.

Please come fix our elevators! But you also need to pay us for the privilege of visiting our peninsula...

Although I am sure that extra cost will just be added to the customer’s bill

Exactly. It will just drive up the cost of doing business inside the rarified air of the sanctimonious green congestion bubble.

Imagine that you need medical care at VGH or the BC Cancer Agency, Vancouver wants to ding you and everyone who visits you. Called to jury duty? The ivory tower eggheads want their pound of flesh for that to.