Mobility Pricing - Page 11

Trainguy · #**201** Posted **Mar 12, 2019, 3:29 AM**

I guess I am behind the times on this issue. I didn't know a report had been published already. Here it is if you have time to read it:

https://www.translink.ca/-/media/Documen.../may/2018_05_24_On-Table_MPIC_Report.pdf

Trainguy · #**202** Posted **Oct 6, 2019, 2:05 PM**

It appears that nothing concrete will happen with mobility pricing. The website for the group who conducted the survey no longer exists.

Here is a FAQ document

https://www.translink.ca/-/media/Documents/plans_and_projects/mobility_pricing/FAQ/new_faq.pdf

whatnext · #**203** Posted **Oct 6, 2019, 5:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Trainguy

It appears that nothing concrete will happen with mobility pricing. The website for the group who conducted the survey no longer exists.

Here is a FAQ document

https://www.translink.ca/-/media/Documents/plans_and_projects/mobility_pricing/FAQ/new_faq.pdf

It’s political suicide. Not surprised.

scottN · #**204** Posted **Oct 7, 2019, 4:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

It’s political suicide. Not surprised.

I think with the right angle it could work at the municipal level in the city of Vancouver as a way of pushing back against the invasion of auto-centric suburbia. I mean the city is already restricting and closing roads (Viaducts, Burrard Bridge, Granville Bridge, Cambie Bridge, 41st) to hand the space over to buses, bikes and pedestrians. I think the end game of this approach is that there will be a dedicated bus lane for every bus route and debilitating congestions for anyone who wants or needs to drive during peak hours anywhere in the city. Neighbourhoods will increasingly fortify their local streets against through traffic. The result will be economic paralysis as the movement of goods grinds to a halt.

Congestion pricing looks pretty tame by comparison no? Actually I'm kind of surprised the business community hasn't gotten behind congestion pricing since they probably value the time of their employees and vehicles more than the average person.

scottN · #**205** Posted **Oct 28, 2020, 7:08 PM**

City of Vancouver proposes tolls for cars entering downtown and Central Broadway

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/city-of-vancouver-metro-core-mobility-pricing-tolls-proposal

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Mobility pricing for the Metro Core area is deemed as one of the “game changer” strategies outlined by City of Vancouver staff’s Climate Emergency Action Plan (CEAP), which will be presented to city council in a meeting on November 3.

City staff want to charge vehicles entering the region’s Metro Core — the geographical area that contains downtown Vancouver peninsula and Central Broadway — with a user fee to reduce carbon emissions, reduce traffic congestion, and improve the use of public space.

The Metro Core is framed by Burrard Street to the west, 16th Avenue to the south, and Clark Drive to the east. Vehicles entering downtown from the Lions Gate Bridge would also be affected.

. . . .

Oddly the more mainstream media outlets seem to have missed this.

MIPS · #**206** Posted **Oct 28, 2020, 7:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by scottN

City of Vancouver proposes tolls for cars entering downtown and Central Broadway

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/city-of-vancouver-metro-core-mobility-pricing-tolls-proposal

. . . .

Oddly the more mainstream media outlets seem to have missed this.

Because the idea is as well-loved as photoradar. The NDP will launch it into the sun.

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City staff will plan a preferred scenario by 2022, and proceed with the project starting in 2023. A dedicated team of city staff will be formed to undergo this planning work.

Detailed design, procurement, installation, and testing will occur between late 2023 and early 2025.

It's also a pretty lousy thing to propose during a pandemic which so far has no resolution window. By 2025 we might have things under control again.

jollyburger · #**207** Posted **Oct 28, 2020, 7:30 PM**

Isn't raising gas taxes the best form of mobility tax since the more you drive the more you pay?

Tvisforme · #**208** Posted **Oct 28, 2020, 8:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by MIPS

Because the idea is as well-loved as photoradar. The NDP will launch it into the sun.

The toll proposal was worth it, though, just for this response.

Changing City · #**209** Posted **Oct 28, 2020, 8:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

Isn't raising gas taxes the best form of mobility tax since the more you drive the more you pay?

What mechanism could the City of Vancouver use to raise gas taxes?

MistyMountain · #**210** Posted **Oct 28, 2020, 8:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

Isn't raising gas taxes the best form of mobility tax since the more you drive the more you pay?

Notably electric cars would be exempt, which this would address.

whatnext · #**211** Posted **Oct 28, 2020, 8:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by MIPS

Because the idea is as well-loved as photoradar. The NDP will launch it into the sun.

It's also a pretty lousy thing to propose during a pandemic which so far has no resolution window. By 2025 we might have things under control again.

"Hey I"ve got a great idea to aid hard-hit businesses in the downtown core, let's tax all their customers who come by car"

I hope Orca Bay is starting discussion with Surrey to relocate the Canucks.

MIPS · #**212** Posted **Oct 28, 2020, 9:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by Tvisforme

The toll proposal was worth it, though, just for this response.

For people making that naive statement, or so the city can say the NDP are not an environmentally friendly party who have no care for keeping our cities clean? That seems kinda partisan.

djmk · #**213** Posted **Oct 28, 2020, 9:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by Changing City

What mechanism could the City of Vancouver use to raise gas taxes?

The Province could possible do it indirectly as it already does for the "South Coast British Columbia Transportation Service Region" (metro Vancouver)

s211 · #**214** Posted **Oct 28, 2020, 9:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by scottN

City of Vancouver proposes tolls for cars entering downtown and Central Broadway

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/city-of-vancouver-metro-core-mobility-pricing-tolls-proposal

. . . .

Oddly the more mainstream media outlets seem to have missed this.

The proposal presumably written by the same tone-deaf ideologues that wanted to retract free parking for veterans?

VancouverOfTheFuture · #**215** Posted **Oct 28, 2020, 11:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by s211

The proposal presumably written by the same tone-deaf ideologues that wanted to retract free parking for veterans?

why actually yes, same director! Mr Paul Storer.

people should write to him about how he gave himself a raise while at the same time try to take away veterans parking and tax people going into downtown.

GenWhy? · #**216** Posted **Oct 28, 2020, 11:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by s211

The proposal presumably written by the same tone-deaf ideologues that wanted to retract free parking for veterans?

Arguably, Staff is supposed to be tone-deaf. A lot of good policies made-up by Staff are voted down by Council, and same with "cold heart" policies from Staff being voted down.

Mobility pricing will most likely be during rush hour.

GenWhy? · #**217** Posted **Oct 28, 2020, 11:21 PM**

I also doubt, if it's up to this Council, that they'll approve it. The timeline is also not relevant anymore. It's one element in the Climate Emergency Action Plan report to Council.

cabotp · #**218** Posted **Oct 28, 2020, 11:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

Isn't raising gas taxes the best form of mobility tax since the more you drive the more you pay?

What about electric vehicles?

chowhou · #**219** Posted **Oct 29, 2020, 12:31 AM**

Super curious, what exactly is the argument for veterans getting free parking again? I must have missed the reasoning somewhere. Seems like a pretty silly policy as far as I see it.

Also, is downtown congestion even that much of an issue? Seems like the biggest offenders for Vancouver traffic are the two North Shore bridges and the Knight Street bridge.

scottN · #**220** Posted **Oct 29, 2020, 12:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

Isn't raising gas taxes the best form of mobility tax since the more you drive the more you pay?

gas taxes are not a congestion tax. They don't take into account the externalized social cost of driving on congested road: by driving you are slowing down all the other people who are also trying to drive. If you do all your driving on uncongested roads (either at off-peak times or on roads that are never particularly busy), then you shouldn't have to pay the congestion tax. A gas tax applies equally to all drivers and doesn't encourage anyone to shift the timing of their trip. A congestion tax that applies only during rush hour encourages drivers to shift to less busy times.

If we replaced part of the gas tax with a congestion tax, then some people would pay more, some would pay less, and nearly everyone would spend less time sitting in traffic jams.