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here is the list you mentioned for with potential sites. 250 Lanark is identified as one option.
http://ottwatch.ca/meetings/file/579067
Thanks, that's what I thought.

Nothing in the works, nothing planned, just listed as government owned land.

The only concerning part is it is identified as a short-term development option. On the other hand, it also says it is limited to 4 stories or less. And we know that won't happen (zoning be damned.)

Jules Leger school across the street was already put up for closure once. I'm surprised that isn't on the list as well since it is Ontario Government owned land.
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There was a discussion paper by the City that mentioned 250 Lanark
https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/public-engagement/projects/westboro-dominion-planning-study
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Jules Leger school across the street was already put up for closure once. I'm surprised that isn't on the list as well since it is Ontario Government owned land.
I don't know if this was actually taken into consideration, but the thinking might have been: with more residents and families in the area, school attendance might increase.
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The only concerning part is it is identified as a short-term development option. On the other hand, it also says it is limited to 4 stories or less. And we know that won't happen (zoning be damned.)
I'm pretty sure it is zoned for more than 4 stories, I'd check the Westboro secondary plan but I'm away from a computer right now and don't feel like looking that up on my phone. What the listing is saying is it is within a Mature Neighbourhood Overlay, which adds additional requirements to existing or new buildings 4 stories or less (I.e. it doesn't apply to this site).
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I'm pretty sure it is zoned for more than 4 stories, I'd check the Westboro secondary plan but I'm away from a computer right now and don't feel like looking that up on my phone. What the listing is saying is it is within a Mature Neighbourhood Overlay, which adds additional requirements to existing or new buildings 4 stories or less (I.e. it doesn't apply to this site).
Nope. 18 meters, so roughly 4 storeys.

Considering the location, I would approve of 18-34 storey towers directly adjacent to Westboro Station and having those buildings step down to 12 and 5 floors towards Lanark. I would like to see them "deck" the trench with a park, at least between the property lines, in order to create a better connection between the north and south sides of the O-Train Line.

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^ Certainly seems like a strange spot (right beside a transit station) to be zoned with a maximum FSI of 1.0.
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Nope. 18 meters, so roughly 4 storeys.

Considering the location, I would approve of 18-34 storey towers directly adjacent to Westboro Station and having those buildings step down to 12 and 5 floors towards Lanark. I would like to see them "deck" the trench with a park, at least between the property lines, in order to create a better connection between the north and south sides of the O-Train Line.
Huh, 18m... I was looking at the Zoning row and completely missed the Height Limit row. Well then I completely agree with what you would approve, and i'm sure no one in their right mind (developer or City) would limit themselves to 4 stories in that location.
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But there is no National Portrait Collection, the only reason why people want a National Portrait Gallery, with no consideration of whether the institution would be useful or worth visiting, is because other cities have institutions of that name.
There is a collection, and the rationale for a space for it is sound: we have a lot of works which are lying fallow in storage that we could be doing something much better with.
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There was a discussion paper by the City that mentioned 250 Lanark
https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/public-engagement/projects/westboro-dominion-planning-study
Thank you for this!

I've forwarded it to the person who asked me.

As well, the Westboro Beach Community Association's comments in Appendix B help explain why people at the LRT information session were excited to see cars in what I'll call the Bus Loop. They had suggested access to that site be only from Scott and then seeing the cars in the artist's conception made them think their recommendation was part of the LRT planning.

Hah! As if the LRT spec and the community planning specs would be connected in any way, shape or form. Let alone the city listen to community groups. I've only been studying this planning stuff a few months and I'm incredibly jaded already.

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I don't know if this was actually taken into consideration, but the thinking might have been: with more residents and families in the area, school attendance might increase.
Again, you are assuming there's planning between school boards and the City. I did my time as a volunteer at the OCDSB and any time we raised stuff like this (i.e. the Strandherd Bridge making a connection between Riverside South and Barrhaven logical when planning high schools) the board doesn't take future plans into consideration.

In this case, there are three strikes against keeping the land for a school: first the land is owned by the province, not a school board (that is a residential school for French QSL students) and secondly, that land would be worth a lot more as housing. Finally, the apartments coming into this neighbourhood are not being designed for families. The non-profit building is ~25% children but at IPT, despite a good number of larger apartments and relatively affordable for a middle class family, of the 640+ units, there are probably fewer than 20 kids. I can only think of 10 off the top of my head but I don't know everyone in all 3 buildings.
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A pair of pile drivers have been moved onto the Charlette site on Rideau street.
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Thank you for this!

I've forwarded it to the person who asked me.

As well, the Westboro Beach Community Association's comments in Appendix B help explain why people at the LRT information session were excited to see cars in what I'll call the Bus Loop. They had suggested access to that site be only from Scott and then seeing the cars in the artist's conception made them think their recommendation was part of the LRT planning.

Hah! As if the LRT spec and the community planning specs would be connected in any way, shape or form. Let alone the city listen to community groups. I've only been studying this planning stuff a few months and I'm incredibly jaded already.


Again, you are assuming there's planning between school boards and the City. I did my time as a volunteer at the OCDSB and any time we raised stuff like this (i.e. the Strandherd Bridge making a connection between Riverside South and Barrhaven logical when planning high schools) the board doesn't take future plans into consideration.

In this case, there are three strikes against keeping the land for a school: first the land is owned by the province, not a school board (that is a residential school for French QSL students) and secondly, that land would be worth a lot more as housing. Finally, the apartments coming into this neighbourhood are not being designed for families. The non-profit building is ~25% children but at IPT, despite a good number of larger apartments and relatively affordable for a middle class family, of the 640+ units, there are probably fewer than 20 kids. I can only think of 10 off the top of my head but I don't know everyone in all 3 buildings.
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There's a lot of planning for this parcel in the years ahead. It's part of the Westboro Height Study that will be largely informed by whatever Council chooses to do with what the planners call corridors in the new Official Plan. The current secondary plan sees it at 10+ storeys along Scott, stepping down to 4-6 storeys as you get to Lanark. Given that the developments along Scott are getting approved at around 25, it's likely we would see the same approved at 250 closest to the LRT station. Personally, I think that 4-6 is still appropriate as you get to Lanark, but we all know what the pressures are around LRT.

Today, the assumption is still that when the feds are ready to dispose of the land that they'll put in in the hands of Canada Lands, which will kick off the consultations that they'll do. My experience of those has been largely positive - the Booth Street complex, air base, etc. I think CLC tends to do a better job than the City of soliciting and incorporating public input.

Council has identified this parcel as a piece of publicly-owned land near transit where we'd prioritize affordable housing. I've approached Minister McKenna to indicate interest in that, but it doesn't look like anything will happen any time soon. The latest I've heard from planners at the City is that the feds are indicating they want to deal with Tunney's first, and that it's probably going to be a decade before planning for 250 Lanark moves ahead in any significant way.
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Jeff, thanks for the facts. I could have just asked you directly but since it hadn't shown up in my newsletters from you since I started reading them (!) I thought I'd put off bothering you about it.

While I'd be happiest with 4 storeys along Lanark, some developer is going to point to 200 Clearview (27 storeys) and say 4 storeys is too low. I think the step down works fairly well with the Metropole, though so will cling to that as my example of how it should work. One of the issues is that if there's to be underground parking, that will likely be built at 'ground level' and the building up on a 'hill' just as it is at IPT, and I believe, Van Lang buildings and Metropole. So it will seem even higher.
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Jules Leger school across the street was already put up for closure once. I'm surprised that isn't on the list as well since it is Ontario Government owned land.
Centre Jules-Léger is a specialized school for francophone kids who have disabilities, learning or otherwise (hearing, sight, cognitive, etc.).

Its pupils come from all over Ontario and as such is not dependent on the local population for its enrolment.

When it was on the chopping block the decision was related to proposed cuts to specialized education services in French, not to its enrolment levels or neighbourhood demographics.
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More than one in four area federal buildings in poor or critical condition, government report says
"Risk of building and building systems failure is high."

Bruce Deachman, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: January 20, 2020


More than a quarter of all federally owned, leased or licensed buildings in the Ottawa-Gatineau area, including many landmark downtown buildings, are in critical or poor condition, according to the government’s own assessment.

Of 2,197 National Capital Region buildings listed in the Treasury Board Secretariat of Canada’s Directory of Federal Real Property, 187 are in critical condition and 409 are in poor shape, accounting for 27 per cent of the total. Six-hundred and ninety (31 per cent) are listed in good condition, while 712 (32 per cent) are listed as fair. An additional 199 (nine per cent), all of them licensed or leased, are unrated or listed as “unknown.”

All of the buildings listed as critical or poor are Crown-owned, pushing the portion of critical and poor buildings to 30 per cent of all federally owned buildings in the National Capital Region.

This is a marked increase from just three years ago, when the Ottawa Business Journal reported that 18 per cent of federally owned buildings in Ottawa were in poor or critical shape.

Among those currently listed as critical are the Sir Charles Tupper Building on Riverside Drive; the Taxation Data Centre on Heron Road, Place de Portage’s Phase IV in Gatineau, the National Printing Bureau on boulevard Sacré-Coeur in Gatineau and the Supreme Court building on Wellington Street.

According to the Treasury Board Secretariat, a structure is rated critical when “(operations and maintenance) costs are high, and frequent emergency maintenance and repair are required. Risk of building and building systems failure is high.” The classification is similar, it adds, to a Facility Condition Index classification greater than 30 per cent, meaning if would take an investment of 30 per cent or more of the building’s value to bring it up to current standards.

Chris Aylward, national president of the Public Service Alliance of Canada, says the government must do more to address the situation. “It’s very concerning to us because the health and safety of our members are being put at risk.

“One of the things that (Prime Minister Justin) Trudeau made a priority was infrastructure investment, and federal buildings have deteriorated considerably under this prime minister. We need the prime minister to deliver on (his) commitment.”

According to the Treasury Board Secretariat, there were 121,230 federal employees working in the National Capital Region as of March 2019.

The average age of the area buildings listed as critical is about 73 years, and although many are old barns, silos and other farm buildings, others are among Ottawa’s most historic office and retail buildings. Great swaths of the downtown core, particularly on Wellington and Sparks streets, fall into this category.

Apart from the Supreme Court, other Wellington Street properties in critical condition include the National Press Building and the old U.S. embassy and its annex. Parliament’s Centre Block, currently undergoing renovations, is also listed as critical.

Sparks Street buildings in critical condition include the Dover-Brouse-Slater Building, the Booth Building, the Hope-Chambers building, the Blackburn Building, St. Andrew’s Tower, the House of Norcano Building, the Saxe (Canada Life) Building, the Nelms Building, the Birks Building, the Bate Building, the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, the Fisher Building and the Canada’s Four Corners Building.

The oldest building on the critical list is a 190-year-old shed on Russell Road. The oldest ones in downtown Ottawa are the prime minister’s residence at 24 Sussex Dr. and the Nelms Building on Sparks Street, at 153 and 150 years respectively.

Of the 6.1 million square metres of floor space in federally owned, leased or licensed buildings in the National Capital Region, 3.8 million sq.m, or more than 60 per cent, fall under the purview of Public Services and Procurement Canada. Ninety-two of their buildings, accounting for 1.1 million sq.m of floor space, are listed in critical or poor condition. A further 163 PSPC buildings, accounting for almost 1.5 million sq.m and including such large edifices as Place de Ville C and the Thomas D’Arcy McGee buildings, both on Sparks Street, and Place Vincent Massey and Place de la Cité, both in Gatineau, are leased or licensed, and are listed either as in “unknown” condition or simply undesignated.

Of the 139 Crown-owned buildings listed as being under PSPC’s umbrella, 47 are in critical condition, and 45 others are in poor shape. PSPC would not make anyone available for an interview, but in an email Friday it claimed to be “custodian of approximately 110 crown-owned buildings in the National Capital Region” of which 11 it said are in critical condition and 15 in poor condition.

Furthermore, it added, “more than $1 billion is being invested in the rehabilitation of the Supreme Court of Canada and West Memorial Buildings, both classified as heritage assets.

“Through the Parliamentary Precinct’s Long Term Vision and Plan (LTVP), PSPC is restoring and modernizing buildings within the Parliamentary Precinct. Over the last few years, PSPC has successfully completed numerous rehabilitation and construction projects, such as the Library of Parliament (2006), the Sir. John A. Macdonald Building (2015), the Wellington Building (2016), the West Block (2018), the Senate of Canada Building (2018) and Phase I of the Visitor Welcome Centre (2018), which is the first new building to be constructed on Parliament Hill in over 100 years. The work being undertaken is also being recognized for being of high quality and for having a positive impact on Canada’s capital.”

Additionally, its website indicated that the Confederation Building and former U.S. embassy on Wellington have funding earmarked for upgrades.

Beyond that, however, PSPC officials would not say which specific buildings were priorities to rehabilitate, or whether there were plans to demolish or sell others.

David Flemming, chair of the Heritage Ottawa Advisory Committee, is quick to point out that the federal government does an excellent job when it does upgrade its properties, hiring top architects and winning numerous awards for design excellence, sustainability and heritage conservation. Flemming points to Diamond Schmitt Architects and Barry Padolsky Associates Inc. Architects as examples, each winning Ottawa Urban Design Awards for their restorations of the Senate of Canada Building and Victoria Memorial Museum, respectively.

Additionally, Flemming says, the feds have increasingly welcomed input from such organizations as Heritage Ottawa and, as is the case with the Booth Street complex that is currently being developed privately, now often includes conditions on building sales that require developers to include historical buildings in their plans, rather than simply raze them.

“We’ve come a long way in the last 10 or 15 years, but there’s more to do,” says Flemming. “I can sympathize that there’s only a certain amount of money in the budget, but I think it’s short-sighted to delay a lot of these things because if it is a question of finances it’s going to cost a lot more the longer you delay.

“But they’re doing a good job,” he adds, “and I’m not going to be critical of them for what they’re not doing, because I think it’s balanced off by the fact that when they do get around to doing things, they do it fairly well.”

That said, the situation, despite recent renovations to buildings in and around the Parliamentary Precinct, only seems to be getting worse. PSAC boss Aylward notes that the percentage of buildings in the poor and critical categories has ballooned significantly in recent years. He specifically cited The Sir Charles Tupper Building, Canada Revenue Agency’s Tax Data Centre at 875 Heron Rd., Place du Portage and much of Tunney’s Pasture as worrying. All four sites are maintained by PSPC.

“You have buildings literally falling apart, and when you look at the age of HVAC systems and what’s going through them, it’s a serious concern. The Tax Data Centre has been under scrutiny for at least 20 years because of continuous bad smells coming from the floor drains in the basement.

“It’s an issue that’s being ignored,” he adds. “When you get infestations of bed bugs in buildings, obviously something is not being done right.”

Nine area federal buildings were discovered last fall to have bed bugs.

In its emailed response, PSPC noted that “The Government of Canada takes the health and safety of its buildings’ occupants and visitors very seriously. Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC) regularly assesses its buildings to protect the integrity of its assets and addresses health and safety concerns immediately when they come to light.”

Meanwhile, almost two dozen buildings at the Canadian Food Inspection Agency’s Fallowfield Road complex are in critical shape, as are many at the Central Experimental Farm and Greenbelt Research Farm.

Others in critical condition include the 10,500-sq.m Mulligan Building at 1800 Walkley Rd, the 13,000-sq.m Canadian Museum of Nature Curatorial Centre at 1770 Pink Rd. in Gatineau, a 10,500-sq.m Canada Post building on Brookfield Road; the old RCMP building on the Vanier Parkway, various National Research Council buildings on Montreal Road; and Camp Fortune facilities in Chelsea.

Building listed in poor condition include almost all of the National Defence headquarters’ Carling Campus, at Moodie Drive, and its Shirley’s Bay complex just west of there; more than 30 NRC buildings on Montreal Road; a further handful of buildings at Rideau Hall, including the main residence and greenhouse, the Lester B. Pearson Building on Sussex Drive, home to Global Affairs Canada; the governor general’s residence at Rideau Hall; the Taxation Headquarters on Heron Road, Health Canada’s Sir Frederick G. Banting Research Centre and its Laboratory Centre for Disease Control, both at Tunney’s Pasture, and the Canada Post towers at Riverside and Heron Roads.

According to the Treasury Board Secretariat, a designation of poor indicates that “Some or all asset systems are compromised or show serious signs of deterioration. Risk of some systems failure is likely, with high O&M costs and unplanned maintenance and repairs. This classification is generally comparable to a FCI between 11 to 30 per cent.”

Wellington Street edifices rated as poor include the Office of the Prime Minister and Privy Council (formerly the Langevin Block), East Block, West Memorial Building, Victoria Building, Confederation Building and the Justice Building.

Sparks Street buildings in poor shape include the O’Brien Building and the former post office at the corner of Elgin Street, while the Jackson Building on Bank Street is also rated poor.

Other sizable buildings rated poor include the Connaught Building on MacKenzie Avenue, the former CBC building on Bronson Avenue, and three buildings at Tunney’s Pasture: Personnel Records Centre #18, Health Protection Building #7 and Finance Building #2. Lasalle Academy, on Sussex Drive, also received a poor rating, as did much of Place du Portage in Gatineau.

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When it was on the chopping block the decision was related to proposed cuts to specialized education services in French, not to its enrolment levels or neighbourhood demographics.
I thought it was due to the cutbacks in services to the profoundly deaf students and other spec-ed students that need specialized instruction. Four other schools were also on the chopping block at the same time. I have a friend with a child who may benefit from services, and she was protesting in southern Ontario at that time as part of the deaf community's response to the proposal that the students would be better served in community schools, or by combining the 3 deaf schools into 1.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/l...cial-schools-for-disabled-deaf-1.3474541

This was 2016, pre-Ford and his cuts to French services. According to the article, it was a response to a study done in 2012
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I thought it was due to the cutbacks in services to the profoundly deaf students and other spec-ed students that need specialized instruction. Four other schools were also on the chopping block at the same time. I have a friend with a child who may benefit from services, and she was protesting in southern Ontario at that time as part of the deaf community's response to the proposal that the students would be better served in community schools, or by combining the 3 deaf schools into 1.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/l...cial-schools-for-disabled-deaf-1.3474541

This was 2016, pre-Ford and his cuts to French services. According to the article, it was a response to a study done in 2012
I think you're right. It was cuts to specialized services in general - not just to those dispensed in French.
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Feds are launching a design competition for architects for Block 2 across from Parliament hill

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Feds are launching a design competition for architects for Block 2 across from Parliament hill

https://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/citeparlem...ehabilitation/conception-design-eng.html
Great find. I can't even begin to imagine what could come out of the a design competition that includes 2 historic bank buildings, 5 heritage office buildings, a former embassy and a crappy 70s office tower with a couple empty lots in between.

My biggest fear is that most of these buildings might be demolished, with only the façades saved.



I hope to see the parking lot and plaza (former Rideau Club site) developed into new 3-4 storey buildings and the 70s block (Bank Street Promenades?) demolished and replaced with a residential or hotel tower.
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the forever empty brownfield on the corner of Bronson and Gladstone is for sale...hurrah!
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