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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut
Never said it would, I'm saying that "right next door" tram service probably won't justify a reroute - e.g. Hastings, Cordova and Powell all have their own bus lines despite being literally one block away from each other. Most of Georgia's buses are coming to and from the North Shore, so getting some to offload at a Stanley Park or Coal Harbour Station and SkyTrain in, that might be more productive for relieving that bus lane.
In this case, the last mile in question is half of downtown and all its respective destinations. Stanley Park alone gets ~22k visitors a day, to say nothing of all the other places you noted.
It may or may not be faster to walk/transit to a Robson station from Davie, but it would from Denman or English Bay or Robson itself (definitely Stanley Park), and that means less pressure on the buses and the existing stations. Once the buses are finally at 100% capacity, a Robson Extension also greatly justifies downtown road closures for streetcars or pedestrian boulevards.
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Remember, Broadway's estimates are for an on-street alignment, and about three-quarters of Arbutus is an off-street alignment: theoretically, as cheap to build as BRT and visibly faster, and on a secondary corridor instead of a primary one (Cambie, Broadway, KGB-104). The problem with most of Vancouver's LRT plans is the pitch for a slightly larger, slightly faster BRT with SkyTrain-competitive pricing. If the pitch changes to a slightly larger, actually faster BRT with BRT-competitive pricing, it starts making sense.
Now if the study comes in sometime between 2025-45 and it says 5,000 pphpd and 22 km/h and $800+ million, you would be absolutely right and can disregard the above paragraph.
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It's about as far from Westin Bayshore to Burrard Stn as it is from English Bay to Westin Bayshore. You'd have to have min. 2 Skytrain lines to get everything via Skytrain.
I actually support a West End Skytrain, but it's already hard to justify $800M on a 2km line, let alone $800Mx2 regardless of what is at the other end.
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It's again a last mile problem, so it may be justifiable to go with a slower solution here until the West End is dense enough that BRT/LRT is hitting capacity.
I do believe I said Tram-Train in the previous post you're referring to. Obvious problem with faster LRT is that it'd be less like the 'idyllic' LRT that seems to be pitched right now and more like a normal freight railway, with the ROW closed off to mitigate the # of deaths.
Maybe by the time we get to building the Arbutus Project, the NIMBYs won't be as aggressive. Though at that point, we might want to spend an extra billion and go Skytrain and wider ped/bike spaces instead.
Thing is, the same people who want LRT in Vancouver are generally the same people who want LRT
en lieu of Skytrain.
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