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Old Posted Dec 29, 2019, 9:27 AM
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Originally Posted by fredinno View Post
...Molson shut down, but that doesn't mean there wouldn't be anything else to take its place...at least if Concord didn't snatch it up. Same case with Flavelle.

With CANRON, the city owned the land. And there wasn't a industrial land crisis yet. And it's False Creek. And then the Olympics came along, and that sealed its fate.



1. They can just build a rail spur.
2. The industrial being built in areas like Campbell Heights don't have rail spurs either.

And no, the reason it's a money grab is multifold:
1. Port Moody NIMBYs care about their city becoming 'Metrotownified' more than anything. Flavelle isn't even supported much in Port Moody.
For instance, from a NIMBY article against the expansion of Moody Center:
https://metrovanwatch.wordpress.com/2013/09/22/moody-centre-bulletin/

Supposedly from the Public Consultations when the Evergreen came in. Unfortunately, the links to the sources are dead due to age.

Logically therefore, the logical solution would be to spread out density over the Moody Center corridor, like the Cambie Corridor plan did. But no, let's fufill their fears instead for a 'waterfront district' that was only allowed once we asked multiple times to get Metro Van to change the zoning.

That are population doesn't want, and would be pissed about development no matter where it is.


It's Fraser Mills, close to Skytrain. The North Shore munis (at least 2 of them) actually care about maintaining both industrial lands and densifying where it actually makes the most sense, rather than simply the easiest.

Ioco is actually Port Moody, and the current plan is to put a couple of SFHs on part of the property, with no improvement in road infrastructure.(and this is a place where you definitely need to put the horse before the cart!)





My point with those places is that industrial land is developed on the RGS... (and should be) if either:
1. It's a town center (this is really only sometimes though)- due to town centers requiring "mass" that may not be able to be provided on just residential and commercial lots- especially Brentwood and Richmond.

2. It's right next to a Skytrain station- as in right across the street or touching. (Braid-Amazon, Saputo, Brewery District, Marine Drive)- Scott Road is the closest to being far from its Skytrain station, but the furthest that FTDA goes is 500m out- for Flavelle, it's a km. And part of the reason for its existence seems to be the proposed Surrey Stadium.

Flavelle is the odd one out, isn't even part of an FTDA (not that important in reality, but still) and only happened because Port Moody council kept demanding it happen. So metro Van eventually folded.
Not even TOL was as aggressive with Carvolth. They gave up and are building it out like the Flats instead.
Replacements? Other factory-sized industries that also find the inner city too expensive and too cramped to operate? Industry in the urban areas takes the form of craft beer and carpenters now; the factory-sized industries are moving outward.

1) Where? There's practically no room for an adequate length of track.
2) No, instead Campbell's got a country freeway with access to Peace Arch and minimal red lights. Much easier for truckers and local traffic alike.

To nobody's surprise, there's a lot of hippie reactionaries in Port Moody. There's an equally loud resistance to "money grabs" in the West Side like five-storey MIRHPPs, so public outrage shouldn't count for anything.

As for Cambie, it's scheduled for an entire Flavelle-sized development on and around Oakridge; SkyTrain proximity notwithstanding, the CoV plans its density both clustered and spread out, so they're not really analogous.
The suburbs OTOH (e.g. Burnaby, Coquitlam, etc) have plans for 30-40 floors all the way to the 500-600m mark and seem to be in a race for the tallest condo. Again, not defending Port Moody or suggesting that Flavelle's a good idea, but there is a precedent, and it shouldn't turn out any better or worse than the other town centres; if they want to throw smart planning out the window in exchange for quick growth, can we really fault Moody Council for doing the same?
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