Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

The ROW along railway wouldn't work because it has been removed years ago and turned into a green path. There's also the problem that a portion of it between Moncton and Stevetson has been zoned into residential, so you'll have to reacquire those properties back.

Before we start picking nits, they literally mention "the former railway corridor that parallels Railway Avenue;" seems like re-acquisition is being considered.

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

The ROW along railway wouldn't work because it has been removed years ago and turned into a green path. There's also the problem that a portion of it between Moncton and Stevetson has been zoned into residential, so you'll have to reacquire those properties back.

are you telling me a small asphalt path and grass impedes using the ROW? i don't think so.

it would be easy enough to get those properties back, there aren't that many at all.

[Express691]

An update on the Chinook reveals that the vessel won't enter service until Summer 2020 due to buoyancy issues.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/new-seab...will-not-enter-service-until-summer-2020

Originally Posted by Sheba

A couple things I've noted while listening to the board meeting. They have 49 low floor community shuttles that should be in use within the week. Also 32 double decker buses are starting up in mid-Oct on the 301 and 620 - early next year they're adding it to the 555 and they have about half a dozen routes in mind for them.

Yes, the 49 shuttles will be replacing the remaining older shuttles in Hamilton.

For the deckers (for sake of repetition), I'm still waiting on the results on the Transit Network Review for 2019, of which the south Surrey commuter runs were involved in. Thus: no deckers on the 351/352/354 just yet.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Express691

An update on the Chinook reveals that the vessel won't enter service until Summer 2020 due to buoyancy issues.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/new-seab...will-not-enter-service-until-summer-2020



Yes, the 49 shuttles will be replacing the remaining older shuttles in Hamilton.

For the deckers (for sake of repetition), I'm still waiting on the results on the Transit Network Review for 2019, of which the south Surrey commuter runs were involved in. Thus: no deckers on the 351/352/354 just yet.

I heard them talk about the SeaBus later. If they left it as is it would be a safe but likely uncomfortable ride in choppy water.

I'm a fan of them adding low floor shuttle buses. A bunch of my older neighbours will take the Skytrain as it's easy to use - having to navigate stairs to get into a bus is a problem for them.

From the 2018 Transit Service Performance Review. The 351 Annual Boarding Rank is 47 - and as it's a limited stop FTN route, it's a good fit for a double decker bus. The 352 (ABR 155) and 354 (ABR 138) don't rank anywhere near as well, probably due to them being rush hour only routes - so are they really the best fit for a double decker?

[jollyburger]

But even if it's safe there would probably docking issues if the Seabus was sitting so low in the water. Wonder why that wasn't caught earlier.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Might be because the Chinook was contracted to Dutch builders in the Netherlands. She may very well run like a dream in Amsterdam's waters and docks.

[SpongeG]

I just read an article on my phone at lunch but I can't find it again or online on my laptop but it said that Richmond is going to double-track the single portion of the Canada line and wants an LRT to Steveston. People in Langely in the comments are livid. LOL.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

I just read an article on my phone at lunch but I can't find it again or online on my laptop but it said that Richmond is going to double-track the single portion of the Canada line and wants an LRT to Steveston. People in Langely in the comments are livid. LOL.

Posted previous page.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Might be because the Chinook was contracted to Dutch builders in the Netherlands. She may very well run like a dream in Amsterdam's waters and docks.

One of the articles said it's due to heavier A/C and other equipment on board than the previous vessels.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

are you telling me a small asphalt path and grass impedes using the ROW? i don't think so.

it would be easy enough to get those properties back, there aren't that many at all.

I really feel bad for those few residents though. They’re just getting played around (at least as it seems).

But still, is Canada Line extension still in the realm of Transit Fantasy? What about having all the trains from Downtown head to RC and turning the Airport branch into a spur at Bridgeport?

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

The ROW along railway wouldn't work because it has been removed years ago and turned into a green path. There's also the problem that a portion of it between Moncton and Stevetson has been zoned into residential, so you'll have to reacquire those properties back.

They can expropriate some properties if necessary (obviously not the whole row of houses closer to Moncton), but they can expropriate the pub at Steveston Hwy to allow a turn westwards on to Steveston Hwy or expropriate both west corners there to allow a turn further south at Garry Rd. or they can turn earlier at Williams.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

What about having all the trains from Downtown head to RC and turning the Airport branch into a spur at Bridgeport?

TransLink and the operator are contractually obligated to provide a specified level of service to YVR.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by officedweller

TransLink and the operator are contractually obligated to provide a specified level of service to YVR.

What’s the frequency between RC and Bridgeport these days? It used to be 6 minutes before evening, 12 after evening before late evening, then every 20 minutes. It was annoying.

[officedweller]

I think it's the same, but a few years ago they added one train in rush hour.
https://www.translink.ca/Schedules-and-Maps/SkyTrain/SkyTrain-Schedules/Canada-Line.aspx

[s211]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

But still, is Canada Line extension still in the realm of Transit Fantasy?

Oh Lord, is it ever. Richmond's dreaming if it thinks it has the ridership to economically support something out of Steveston.

[Express691]

Originally Posted by Sheba

From the 2018 Transit Service Performance Review. The 351 Annual Boarding Rank is 47 - and as it's a limited stop FTN route, it's a good fit for a double decker bus. The 352 (ABR 155) and 354 (ABR 138) don't rank anywhere near as well, probably due to them being rush hour only routes - so are they really the best fit for a double decker?

I do agree on the ridership rankings. However last I heard, they're more concerned about splitting the route at white rock (how that might affect the seniors needing direct service between Crescent and White rock centre) and using the double deckers efficiently.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Express691

I do agree on the ridership rankings. However last I heard, they're more concerned about splitting the route at white rock (how that might affect the seniors needing direct service between Crescent and White rock centre) and using the double deckers efficiently.

The best way to do it would be to have 351 stay on 152nd Street and terminate at White Rock Centre and 350 go between White Rock Centre and South Surrey Park and Ride via Crescent Beach. The current 351 routing is very circuitous.

[ilikeredheads]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

But still, is Canada Line extension still in the realm of Transit Fantasy?

Yes, because the line was never designed to be extended in the first place.

The idea of extending the Canada Line has been discussed numerous times. It is not going to happen due to extremely poor cost effectiveness. Not only will it be highly expensive and disruptive, but it also make little sense to serve mostly low density residential areas.

CoR is the only reason Brighouse is single tracked. Now the same politicians wants it double tracked? Well, f them. Keep in mind that initially they didnt' want Skytrain and preferred a streetcar running down No 3 road. Their shortsightedness and small-town mentality is quite ridiculous.

I wouldn't believe a single thing coming out of their mouths. Forget about Steveston. They are so backwards in their thinking that they still haven't build the promised bus loop at Brighouse, 10 years after Canada Line has opened!

[SpongeG]

wouldn't it make more sense to link White Rock/South Surrey with Surrey Centre than go via farmland and nothing to Richmond? It's a lot closer to Surrey Centre than Richmond.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

Yes, because the line was never designed to be extended in the first place.

One of the requirements under the construction agreement was that it be capable of southward extension.
Another requirement was that train routing from YVR to Richmond Brighouse be possible.