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Old Posted Nov 16, 2018, 5:06 AM
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2018, 6:46 AM
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New renders released for "The Holland" located on Old Yale and 133 St.





https://www.townline.ca/en/homes/new-homes/holland
The materials will be what makes or breaks it. I like the boxy floorplate and punctuated windows as opposed to the standard all spandrel and glass. Also there is some nice subtle detail /transition between the brown and beige. Will add some depth and variety to the area - doesn't look super 'new'.
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2018, 6:52 AM
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Another new tower now up for registration - 23-storey 'Centra' by Everest Group.

This one was approved back in 2016 - just finally marketing it now. Not many good renderings so far. It's the '2nd phase' of the Odyssey tower next to it built in 1993.

Bonus: Some shadowing in of Georgetown in the background

http://centrasurrey.com

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Old Posted Nov 16, 2018, 4:37 PM
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That's all very suburban looking
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2018, 6:09 PM
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Now a new group suggested they were cheated by the mayor because he intended to build the skytrain to Langley instead of Surrey-Newton-Guildford . What would happen if the new skytrain can't be built within 4 years. And after 4 years, another mayor candidate comes up with the idea of building the skytrain for Surrey-Newton-Guildford first, and he got voted in. lol That would be a funny scenario, nothing ever get built because of the democracy.
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New renders released for "The Holland" located on Old Yale and 133 St.



https://www.townline.ca/en/homes/new-homes/holland
oh man, look at all that those parking lots!
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oh man, look at all that those parking lots!
High density parkades providing free parking: an attraction in itself.
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High density parkades providing free parking: an attraction in itself.
Since when is parking an attraction?! If they were, American cities would be the greatest cities in the world and we would be lavishing our praises upon them (hint: we're not).

Parking is probably the most wasteful use of land and resources. The sooner we no longer need it, the better.
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oh man, look at all that those parking lots!
They're attached to the mall and not this development! At some point a lot of it will be redeveloped and then you can breathe a sigh of relief.


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Parking is probably the most wasteful use of land and resources. The sooner we no longer need it, the better.
Parking isn't likely to disappear in the next century. It's more how we build it into developments - acres of surface parking is a waste.
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They're attached to the mall and not this development! At some point a lot of it will be redeveloped and then you can breathe a sigh of relief.




Parking isn't likely to disappear in the next century. It's more how we build it into developments - acres of surface parking is a waste.
I think we will be seeing a massive reduction in parking in the way of removing parking requirements within the decade. Autonomous vehicles will be making a massive dent and possibly ending car ownership for many. There will not be any need for underground parking because people won't be owning cars. They will pick up their phone and call an "autonomous Uber" or whatever other company is around and go about their day. Further, others will simply hop on public transit to get around although our region will not be built out as it should be within a decade.

The existing underground lots can be used for storage of these vehicles during the night etc. but all the existing parking lots will be developed to create a built environment where people are the priority again, not the car.
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oh man, look at all that those parking lots!
Most of that parking is actually on the roof of the mall - which is planned for redevelopment eventually anyway.
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That's all very suburban looking
Because it is - built decades ago.

The new 4-6 storey stuff being built in that area isn't suburban feeling at all though. Good examples: New 6-storey on 101 Ave and new 4-storey on 139 St

Eventually that area will densify more - but it's also the edge of the City Centre - so expect more greenery (like the West End).
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Not sure if these have been posted already.

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I think we will be seeing a massive reduction in parking in the way of removing parking requirements within the decade. Autonomous vehicles will be making a massive dent and possibly ending car ownership for many. There will not be any need for underground parking because people won't be owning cars. They will pick up their phone and call an "autonomous Uber" or whatever other company is around and go about their day. Further, others will simply hop on public transit to get around although our region will not be built out as it should be within a decade.

The existing underground lots can be used for storage of these vehicles during the night etc. but all the existing parking lots will be developed to create a built environment where people are the priority again, not the car.

Not really, you need to park those autonomous Ubers somewhere, hopefully nearby. Sure, you might be able to cut parking requirements by, say 50%, but parking isn't dying anytime soon.
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Whalley District

I like that the podiums are not overpowering, and only a couple of stories tall. The trend of 8-10 storey podiums has got to stop. They're oppressive at street level.

I now await a rebuttal from someone posting a picture of somewhere picturesque in Europe, Paris preferably, asking if I find it oppressive. Well, I'll post my rebuttal here: apples and pineapples.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2018, 4:23 PM
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I really like the look of these Whalley District towers, they remained me a lot of Yaletown but do you think they'll every build them?
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One thing that looks weird are the dinky looking podiums. Makes for a horrible experience at street level, very barren and sterile. Not to mention it looks disproportionate with the towers. Ideally they should just do away with podiums altogether
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Because it is - built decades ago.

The new 4-6 storey stuff being built in that area isn't suburban feeling at all though. Good examples: New 6-storey on 101 Ave and new 4-storey on 139 St

Eventually that area will densify more - but it's also the edge of the City Centre - so expect more greenery (like the West End).
I was talking more so about the new project that was proposed in the rendering
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2018, 6:49 PM
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Since when is parking an attraction?! If they were, American cities would be the greatest cities in the world and we would be lavishing our praises upon them (hint: we're not).

Parking is probably the most wasteful use of land and resources. The sooner we no longer need it, the better.
Ever wonder why many who drive don't want to come downtown for shopping? Well, they have to pay for parking! So why isn't free parking in the suburb mall an attraction?

And I did say "high density" parking, and that includes multi-storey parkades or underground parking: certainly not referring to huge open space parking that spells urban sprawl.

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Old Posted Nov 26, 2018, 5:44 PM
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I think we will be seeing a massive reduction in parking in the way of removing parking requirements within the decade. Autonomous vehicles will be making a massive dent and possibly ending car ownership for many. There will not be any need for underground parking because people won't be owning cars. They will pick up their phone and call an "autonomous Uber" or whatever other company is around and go about their day. Further, others will simply hop on public transit to get around although our region will not be built out as it should be within a decade.

The existing underground lots can be used for storage of these vehicles during the night etc. but all the existing parking lots will be developed to create a built environment where people are the priority again, not the car.
Firstly, all current research points to fully autonomous vehicles being mainstream by no earlier than 2040. That's 22 years from now, a long way to go.

Secondly, cars being fully autonomous, or even partially doesn't have any impact on ownership. I don't quite get why some people think this is the case. People will still own their vehicles, park them at home, and then have them drive them to the mall. The only thing fully autonomous cars will result in is people not physically driving them themselves, and likely lesser road accidents.

But ownership levels won't change. Quite frankly I think it will have the opposite effect. If I can get in a car that drives itself efficiently from A to B without me needing to far around with getting myself to a bus or train station on a transit line that likely doesn't take me directly to where I want t go, I'll opt for owning the car. That's the same reason 90% of households in Metro Vancouver still have at least 1 car.

Honestly, fully autonomous vehicles, especially if they are carbon neutral or non-polluting which is also likely by 2040, I think will actually reduce transit usage.

Time is precious. I drive to work because it takes me 35 minutes one way compared to taking transit which takes 1 hour 15 minutes. I don't give two craps about the environment or social questions, that's over 1 hour per day extra I get with my wife and kids.

Only option is to be smarter with parking garage design. I think more underground or overground stacked parking garages. Also we should be seriously looking at the newer automated parking garages like that have over seas in Japan, Germany, etc. You drive into an elevator, get out, and the system lifts your car and "parks" it almost like a warehouse at Ikea. Makes for far more efficient parking garage designs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_parking_system

MANY major cities are starting to build these, and we should be no different. They can actually be cheaper to build for underground parking garages aka under high-rise tower developments. Again, Metro-Vancouver needs to seriously get over its anti-car rhetoric. It is hurting urban design far more than it possibly could help.
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