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Old Posted Nov 14, 2018, 1:36 PM
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The renderings labeled “Midtown South” have The Varsity in the street level of a building and the top one seems to be viewing it from a park atop the connector. That would have been quite the change.
Yeah you can see they proposed redeveloping the parcel in its entirety to a skyscraper and including the Varsity at the base level.
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2018, 1:43 PM
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Here's what I'm hoping: we can take what we proposed to AMZN and build off of it to have a community discussion and help facilitate projects that can make some of these grand ideas (north and south connector "lids", better streetscaping including many more trees throughout Midtown, TOD's at Arts Center, Bankhead [, and others], new pocket parks...) a reality.

Also, I believe some of the HQ2 renderings have skyscrapers where much shorter projects are under construction (eg: Hines T3) despite having it labeled appropriately as that project under construction. Maybe my vantage point is off.

675 PCM (cannot recall if we've seen this exact rendering before, likely)


Quarry Yards site plan (IMO I don't like that much of it is designed like a suburban office park)

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Old Posted Nov 18, 2018, 4:47 PM
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After all the fuss about the Gulch, Amazon didn’t even create renderings for that site. It doesn’t seem like they showed any interest in it.
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2018, 5:42 PM
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After all the fuss about the Gulch, Amazon didn’t even create renderings for that site. It doesn’t seem like they showed any interest in it.
Like everyone says, the Gulch is a long term project, take a few years just to get the damn thing ready to build. Despite Amazon taking 14 months to decide, I think they're in more hurry than that.
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2018, 7:07 PM
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After all the fuss about the Gulch, Amazon didn’t even create renderings for that site. It doesn’t seem like they showed any interest in it.
If I were Amazon, I would have chose Midtown. Midtown is were it’s at and that’s where it will continue to be. I’ve been saying this as long as I’ve been on this forum. There is nothing going on downtown that makes me believe otherwise. Any gulch development is years off, if ever, and the renovation of a few blocks is a drop in the bucket, compared with the transformative projects coming to midtown.
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2018, 2:35 PM
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After all the fuss about the Gulch, Amazon didn’t even create renderings for that site. It doesn’t seem like they showed any interest in it.
In the early days of Amazon’s nation-wide search for suitable cities, it seemed that they were truly following their own official criteria, especially based on their narrowed choices for the last 20 cities. At that time I felt like they actually knew what they were doing and were really taking their research data seriously. However, I think they failed to really take a closer look at most of the cities on their list of the final 20 cities.

From what I have read, it just seemed like the team that visited Atlanta had “blinders” on and couldn’t see the “forest for the trees”… they couldn’t really see Atlanta and what it had to offer, because they already had their (Jeff Bezos) minds made up and of course the Georgia's Political climate would have been the final “nail in the coffin”.

In the end, it just seemed that Jeff Bezos wanted what he wanted, no matter what the data said, especially given his comment about going where his heart leads him. I feel sorry for cities like Chicago that were lead on for so long, and then dropped.
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2018, 2:52 PM
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In the early days of Amazon’s nation-wide search for suitable cities, it seemed that they were truly following their own official criteria, especially based on their narrowed choices for the last 20 cities. At that time I felt like they actually knew what they were doing and were really taking their research data seriously. However, I think they failed to really take a closer look at most of the cities on their list of the final 20 cities.

From what I have read, it just seemed like the team that visited Atlanta had “blinders” on and couldn’t see the “forest for the trees”… they couldn’t really see Atlanta and what it had to offer, because they already had their (Jeff Bezos) minds made up and of course the Georgia's Political climate would have been the final “nail in the coffin”.

In the end, it just seemed that Jeff Bezos wanted what he wanted, no matter what the data said, especially given his comment about going where his heart leads him. I feel sorry for cities like Chicago that were lead on for so long, and then dropped.
Agreed.

The Gulch was Atlanta's answer to Seattle's South Lake Union, which it seemed as though Amazon was looking for at first. Midtown, quite frankly, doesn't need to be transformed. It's on a tear as far as growth/development It's downtown that needs some type of catalyst to kick off more growth/development.

I kind of suspected Amazon was on some BS with their so-called criteria when they rejected Detroit for lacking transit, but subsequently included places like Nashville, Columbus, Indianapolis and Raleigh on their short list, which also lack transit. But I gave them the benefit of the doubt still, because in all fairness, it's a lot esier to attract talent to those cities than Detroit.

But when Bezos finally admitted his decision would come from the heart, in hindsight it was obvious that DC (and possibly places like Austin and NYC) had the advantage all along.

As far as Nashville's operations hub, IMO there were a combination of factors were at play there for that outcome. But regardless, I'm definitely thrilled a Red State city at least got a significant investment out of this. And plus, having one city score such a developmemt makes the entire Sun Belt region a stronger economic engine and more attractive place to live in general.
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Well put. N'ville was my 2nd choice after ATL.
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Not to mention, 5,000 jobs for a logistics hub wouldn't make that big of a splash when some of our largest employers are in that space. However, 5k jobs in Nashville would make Amazon like the 6th largest employer in the city.
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I kind of suspected Amazon was on some BS with their so-called criteria when they rejected Detroit for lacking transit
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They were absolutely clear from the start that site readiness and talent were the absolute "paramount" considerations. They were also clear that Detroit (and pretty much every non-shortlist city) was ruled out due to talent.

They chose two move-in-ready sites, in the #2 and #3 regions for tech talent, which have almost *2X* the talent base of Chicago or Atlanta. (The #1 region is the Bay Area, which doesn't have any sites of that magnitude. Short-short listed Dallas is #5.) I'm not sure why everyone's crying about moved goalposts, etc.
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2018, 8:38 PM
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They were absolutely clear from the start that site readiness and talent were the absolute "paramount" considerations. They were also clear that Detroit (and pretty much every non-shortlist city) was ruled out due to talent.

They chose two move-in-ready sites, in the #2 and #3 regions for tech talent, which have almost *2X* the talent base of Chicago or Atlanta. (The #1 region is the Bay Area, which doesn't have any sites of that magnitude. Short-short listed Dallas is #5.) I'm not sure why everyone's crying about moved goalposts, etc.
Why are you still lurking on an Atlanta page? Lol
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2018, 9:04 PM
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Now let's be honest...selecting NYC makes total sense. Some of you need to admit that you might have more people that dream of wanting to live fro up and live in NYC. The same goes for adults. I said a long time ago they would go to a major market. I'm sure they have been times when they've come across people that simply say I don't want to live in Seattle.
Now I do know they are some of you that would say that you know people who wouldn't want to live in NYC, DC, or LA. Amazon was smart, they went to areas where people would love to live especially if they could afford a good living, and before all of the red-kneck conservatives say they'll never used Amazon again, they chose Nashville too.
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2018, 9:45 PM
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Even that's BS.

Now I'll give Raleigh a pass because of RTC, but while they're all fine cities, I find it very hard to believe that Nashville, Indianapolis and Columbus each have more talent than a metro area with at least 4.2 million people.
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2018, 9:48 PM
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Why are you still lurking on an Atlanta page? Lol
Are they even a resident of the Atlanta area?
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2018, 11:38 PM
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Are they even a resident of the Atlanta area?
It says he lives in ‘beautiful and sanitary DC’ on his title. Evidently he has a beef with a certain larger city that is not as clean as DC. He is just doing a ‘victory lap’ now that he is bored with the collapse of excitement after the HQ2 announcement.

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Old Posted Nov 19, 2018, 11:59 PM
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It says he lives in ‘beautiful and sanitary DC’ on his title. Evidently he has a beef with a certain larger city that is not as clean as DC. He is just doing a ‘victory lap’ now that he is bored with the collapse of excitement after the HQ2 announcement.
Ah, I completely missed that. Enough said, lol.
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2018, 11:43 PM
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The pitch video

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Old Posted Nov 21, 2018, 6:46 PM
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ATL Video

Wonder if Amazon even bothered to watch the video.

They probably ran the video in the background with the sound turned down while they sipped Starbucks coffee and talked about the Seattle weather forecast – cold & rainy.
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2018, 7:16 PM
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Wonder if Amazon even bothered to watch the video.

They probably ran the video in the background with the sound turned down while they sipped Starbucks coffee and talked about the Seattle weather forecast – cold & rainy.
I doubt they watched it. They just looked at what incentives we offered and used it to exploit New York and DC.
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