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Old Posted Oct 20, 2017, 12:18 PM
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Looking at their comparison charts you can see who they really consider their competition: Atlanta, Boston, Charlotte, Chicago, Denver, New York, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, Seattle, Washington. Only rarely are other Canadian cities even mentioned - perhaps all the Canadian bids agreed not to explicitly compete against each other?
This would be cool! Having Amazon in Canada would be great IMO
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Old Posted Oct 20, 2017, 12:32 PM
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Toronto and the GTA has a lot going for it. So much change in the last 10 years!
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Isn't Winnipeg automatically disqualified because they don't meet the population criteria?
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I'm really curious as to the potential locations the city touted as being good for Amazon. Hope we find that out, would be an interesting discussion to have based off of that.
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Isn't Winnipeg automatically disqualified because they don't meet the population criteria?
Size doesn't seem to be deterring cities.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/sault-ste-marie-amazon-bid-official-1.4359257
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Toronto's got a really good shot. Canada in general has lower corporate taxes and lower payroll taxes than the US, plus easier system for employers to hire from overseas. Toronto specifically has a large talent base and a good amount of vacant land in good locations (like the eastern part of the downtown waterfront, for example). From Amazon's perspective it would offer a similar talent base to Boston or New York at a fraction of the cost.

I think we're just too small.
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I think Toronto is too expensive for housing, which is part of the reason why they are not just expanding in Seattle.
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I think Toronto is too expensive for housing, which is part of the reason why they are not just expanding in Seattle.
Compared to some of the American Northeastern cities that are brought up like Boston or New York, Toronto housing is quite affordable. Plus universal health care.. the Toronto bid claimed $600 million as the annual savings to Amazon in health care costs if they choose Canada for HQ2.

From most perspectives Montreal is actually the clear winner but the language issue is likely a show stopper for them.
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2017, 4:05 PM
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And here's Ottawa's HQ2 proposal website, released today (according to Invest Ottawa's Twitter Feed):

http://hq2ottawa-gatineau.com/

Last edited by citydwlr; Oct 21, 2017 at 4:11 PM. Reason: Not a Proposal, it's a website...
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HQ2, eh? Amazon draws bids from Canadian cities to be online seller's other home
More than 10 Canadian cities have made their case — possibly more we don't know about yet

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Posted: Oct 21, 2017 5:00 AM ET Last Updated: Oct 21, 2017 10:39 AM ET


Amazon's announcement earlier this year that it wants a second headquarters set off a flurry of interest from cities across the continent, all eager to be a new home to the biggest online merchandise seller in the world.

Many Canadian cities were interested. With the deadline to apply passed Thursday, what cities followed through and put their hats into the ring? Exact details of bids are still largely a secret, as is a complete list of who's in the running.

But we do know some Canadian cities that officially took their best shot.

Vancouver

The Canadian city closest to Amazon's Seattle home was interested from Day 1, pitching closesness to Amazon's existing home base as a major selling point.

"Proximity to Seattle is something nobody else in Canada can lay claim to," Ian McKay, CEO of the Vancouver Economic Commission, confirmed to CBC News this week. "We focused on the built-in incentives in Vancouver that have made us No. 1 in the tech system in Canada.… We really like our chances."

Langford, B.C., near Victoria, has also submitted a bid, promoting its affordable housing and proximity to universities and colleges.

Edmonton

Cities one province over also like their chances. Brad Ferguson, chief executive officer of the Edmonton Economic Development Corp., said he would not be releasing details of the city's bid, but he trumpeted the collaborative nature of the city's pitch. "We are extremely proud of how this team approach differentiates Edmonton from our competitors," he said.

Calgary

Calgary, meanwhile, has also staked its claim to woo Amazon north. The city's pitch involved an aggressive marketing campaign aimed directly at Amazon employees — whose votes the company says will have an impact on its decision.

Newspaper ads, banners and a YouTube video were all a part of the city's campaign to coax the tech titan.

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Winnipeg

Winnipeg stepped up to the plate, tailoring its sales pitch to Amazon's sense of frugality — which is one of the company's guiding principles. Touting the city's low cost of doing business and competitiveness, Winnipeg also put together a YouTube video in which ex-CFL player Obby Khan escorts Alexa, the company's artificially intelligent assistant, around the town, seeing the sights.

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Check out Winnipeg's entire bid package here.

Sault Ste. Marie

Sault Ste. Marie, Ont., took a slightly different tack, taking advantage of the city's location on the U.S. border to pitch its case. Partnering with its neighbour across the St. Mary's River, Sault Ste. Marie, Mich., the pitch includes "a robust description of the benefits that the Twin Saults provide businesses such as the competitive advantage of locating in two countries, while providing a natural balance of family, environment, growth and innovation," officials told the CBC.

Windsor

Windsor, just across from Detroit, had a similar idea to make their case. Officially, the bid is centred in Detroit, but proximity to Windsor is a major factor in the plan. "Amazon will be able to draw employees from two countries rich in technology talent with diverse backgrounds while cementing it as the first major company in the world whose headquarters would literally share an international border," said Quicken billionaire Dan Gilbert, who's spearheading the bid.

Hamilton

Hamilton has thrown its hat into the ring, spending up to $500,000 on a bid that's guaranteed to at least have the best hashtag associated with it. The #Hamazon bid, as it's being called, is centred on the city's culture, innovation and other incentives.

The city says it's already pleased with the process, and confident that the bid will pay off down the line with other things, even if the Amazon chooses to set up shop elsewhere.

Toronto

Just up Highway 403, Toronto has stepped up with a bid to attract the company, and is one of the few to make the lion's share of the city's pitch public.

To bolster its chances, the bid has expanded the familiar Greater Toronto Area to what it calls the "Toronto Region," stretching from Kitchener-Waterloo to Durham Region in the east. And the bid includes details on up to 10 different sprawling sites in the area that might suit Amazon's needs.

Unlike some others, Toronto's bid says the city/region can make it worth the company's while without offering any tax incentives or other financial subsidies.

Check out Toronto's entire bid here.

Ottawa

With its large technology industry, Ottawa was tapped early as a likely candidate, and the city did indeed step up to the plate, partnering with nearby Gatineau to woo the company

Mayor Jim Watson made the news official earlier this week, although few details have been released, citing confidentiality agreements.

Montreal

Montreal International CEO Hubert Bolduc made the city's pitch in person, going to Seattle to lay out their offerings.

"The whole team stepped up its efforts in the past few weeks to highlight all the know-how and creativity Greater Montreal has to offer," he said.

In addition to boasting about the city's tech talent and booming culture, bid organizers trumpeted the city's lower cost of living compared with other cities of similar size.

Halifax

And at least one city in the Maritimes has stepped up, as Halifax confirmed that the city submitted a proposal. As with Hamilton, officials said the process has already proved beneficial regardless of the outcome, as it will help the city attract more companies to its growing technology hub.

"If it comes down to … the inducements that a province or a city can offer, financial only, then we're most likely not a player," Mayor Mike Savage said. "But if it comes down to a bigger picture, which includes a number of things, then I think Halifax has a very competitive case to make."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/amazon-hq2-canada-1.4363929
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And here's Ottawa's HQ2 proposal website, released today (according to Invest Ottawa's Twitter Feed):

http://hq2ottawa-gatineau.com/
Huh. That makes it very clear Ottawa's bid is intent on putting Amazon in the Lebreton-Bayview-Zibi area. I'm glad we didn't try to sell them some ridiculous parcel out in Barrhaven or something.
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Compared to some of the American Northeastern cities that are brought up like Boston or New York, Toronto housing is quite affordable. Plus universal health care.. the Toronto bid claimed $600 million as the annual savings to Amazon in health care costs if they choose Canada for HQ2.

From most perspectives Montreal is actually the clear winner but the language issue is likely a show stopper for them.
I don't think Boston and New York are likely to win either (although Toronto is more expensive than both in measures I have seen - if you look at all of NYC and not just Manhattan).

If I were betting on Canadian cities I would rank Calgary, Montreal, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, Vancouver, although I think a sunbelt tech centre (such as Austin) or a Northern rust belt city (such as Detroit) are more likely than Canada.
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Dear Amazon: Please come to LeBreton Flats. Love, Ottawa
Ottawa-Gatineau wants Amazon to build its massive second headquarters at LeBreton Flats — a secret only revealed now that the deadline for cities to bid for the giant project has passed.

Tom Spears, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: October 21, 2017 | Last Updated: October 21, 2017 5:10 PM EDT


Ottawa-Gatineau wants Amazon to build its massive second headquarters at LeBreton Flats — a secret only revealed now that the deadline for cities to bid for the giant project has passed.

Amazon is based in Seattle, but wants a second headquarters — HQ2 — in another city. The decision set off a bidding frenzy from North America cities, because Amazon expects to create 50,000 jobs.

Mayor Jim Watson recently said Ottawa was offering fewer than 10 candidate sites, but he wouldn’t name them.

Now the promotional video for Ottawa and Gatineau tells the full story in an aggressively paced sales pitch against a background of repetitive, rhythmic music.

“Amazon HQ2 in Canada’s Capital Region will be integral to, and integrated into, one of the largest and most transformational waterfront development projects undertaken on North America’s urban landscape in generations,” it begins.

“Amazon’s quest for a setting worthy of HQ2 happily coincides with the beginning of massive redevelopment projects along the shorelines of the cities and Ottawa and Gatineau on the mighty Ottawa River.”

Artist’s sketches of an Amazon future show shimmering, white office towers filling up much of the Flats area, overlooking a Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway with almost no traffic despite all the new offices, and the LRT.

And the video tells Amazon that “approximately 120 acres of pre-planned and close to shovel-ready public and private lands are poised for development. Amazon could step in on the ground floor of this generational city-building undertaking to establish an incomparable eight-million-square-foot urban HQ2 right on the edge of nature.”

Among the selling points in the video, created by Invest Ottawa:

• An experienced tech workforce with colleges and universities nearby;
• An international airport that’s a short flight from many U.S. cities;
• Access to the Canadian government, the U.S. Embassy and diplomats from more than 130 other countries;
• All the usual tourist attractions — winter sports, fall leaves, hiking, cycling, the National Arts Centre, the National Gallery.
• A new NHL hockey arena in LeBreton;
• Extra land in the suburbs if the Flats aren’t enough.

And the website sales pitch looks forward to the day when the future “Amazonians” are settled here.

“HQ2 is located in one of Canada’s most connected cities, with competitively priced, redundant Dark Fibre connectivity that supports Tbps+ speeds,” the site says. “Since establishing HQ2, Amazon has become a major player in the Ottawa-based Centre of Excellence for Next Generation Networks, which Amazon counted on to make its deployment in Ottawa-Gatineau as simple as possible.”

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Looking at the website, I didn't see anything about Ottawa being the most affordable big city to live in in Canada, the best city for newcomers and one of the top places to raise a family (according to Money Sense). Hopefully they included that in their bid book.
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Looking at the website, I didn't see anything about Ottawa being the most affordable big city to live in in Canada, the best city for newcomers and one of the top places to raise a family (according to Money Sense). Hopefully they included that in their bid book.
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Many Amazonians working at HQ2 live within steps of the campus in homes and condos built at the same time as the campus itself. Others live in the nearby trendy neighborhoods of Hintonburg and Westboro, and at the all-new residential community at Tunney’s Pasture, minutes west of the campus. Others choose to live elsewhere in the city’s core, while still others opt for new homes in the surrounding suburbs. Surprisingly, the commute for most is rarely more than a half hour. Happily, the cost of housing and cost of living in Ottawa-Gatineau is the most favorable of any major Canadian city.
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Amazon talent recruiters at HQ2 draw directly from the thousands of STEM and business grads groomed at the Capital Region’s four universities and five colleges. They take advantage of the fact that international students who are increasingly drawn to the Capital Region can stay and work upon graduation, with a path toward permanent residency. They likewise leverage Canada’s Global Skills Strategy and Global Talent Stream, the Provincial Nominee Program and the NAFTA immigration scheme to process international candidates in as little as two weeks. When recruiting from outside the Capital Region, they put the unparalleled quality of life afforded by Ottawa-Gatineau–which consistently ranks #1 for quality of life in Canada–front and centre to attract and retain the best and brightest.
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That's good but still poorly worded and communicated, and all the Money Sense stuff isn't there.

It would've been good to see something like they have on the Invest Ottawa website.

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The moneysense criteria favoured small towns and distant suburbs. "Canada's biggest small town" may not be a good hook for amazon.
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Dumb question perhaps, but does the Ottawa bid have the blessing/support of the NCC?
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Looking at the website, I didn't see anything about Ottawa being the most affordable big city to live in in Canada, the best city for newcomers and one of the top places to raise a family (according to Money Sense). Hopefully they included that in their bid book.
Just curious about this... Isn't Montreal the cheapest big city in Canada?... I lived in both and in several neighborhoods and I can't see where Mtl is more expensive... Definitely not in terms of housing at the very least.
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