Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by FrankieFlowerpot

In the case of the 2026 bid - that's not confirmed yet

With 48 teams it's pretty close to a sure thing.

[cjones2451]

Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

Boy if I was Mexico I would be po'ed that my country would only receive a measly 10 matches and nothing past the first elimination round of the 2026 World Cup. They have a rich history of soccer, have many stadiums capable of handling World Cup matches (including some newer builds and one of the most famous soccer stadiums in the world, Stadium Azteca) and have proven to be a strong host in the past.

In the proposal to FIFA, they should have received around 20 matches with at least 1 quarterfinal and maybe even one semi-final match. What an insult!

Mexico has already host 2 World Cups, they should be hardly insulted

[cjones2451]

Originally Posted by esquire

Good article in the Winnipeg Sun today which explains why Winnipeg didn't put in a bid. It also offers some insight as to the other cities' chances of hosting MWC games.



http://www.winnipegsun.com/2017/08/15/winnipeg-left-off-world-cup-list

i don't think all the facts are correct.
Russia in 2018 has temp seats for a stadium that is 35K normally and I know South Africa had some in 2010
The Silverdome in 1994 had a temporary turf field, so permanent grass is not necessarily an expense

[FrankieFlowerpot]

Originally Posted by Acajack

With 48 teams it's pretty close to a sure thing.

Hence me saying - it's not confirmed yet

[cjones2451]

Originally Posted by elly63

Why not Edmonton, firstly they have likely the easiest stadium to convert, do people here think foreigners really give a rat`s ass where in Canada it will be. They could put a game in Iqaluit and it will still sell out

Its not just about stadium, its about infrastructure too, transit, hotel rooms, etc.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by cjones2451

The Silverdome in 1994 had a temporary turf field, so permanent grass is not necessarily an expense

I would think that creating and then moving a grass field into a stadium with artificial turf would easily be a seven digit expense, even if it's only temporary.

[FrankieFlowerpot]

TFC paid something like $250K for grass when Real Madrid played there in 2009 - and it was only down for 10 days

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by elly63

I'd be embarrassed if we had games at BMO with Winnipeg and Regina not represented. This isn't a shot at Toronto, it's a shot at the facility.

Seriously? BMO is the premiere soccer facility in Canada. Its the largest Soccer Specific Stadium and the easiest to expand either temporarily or permanently. Winnipeg isn't even on the shortlist and Regina hasn't hosted any FIFA event in recent memory. BMO has been home of CM/WNT matches along with BC Place and Commonwealth and I imagine 2026 carries on with that.

To add to what others are saying: I'd be embarrassed if Skydome hosted any of these matches. Its not a stadium built for these sorts of events and would look remarkably out of place among all other venues.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by JHikka

Seriously? BMO is the premiere soccer facility in Canada. Its the largest Soccer Specific Stadium and the easiest to expand either temporarily or permanently. Winnipeg isn't even on the shortlist and Regina hasn't hosted any FIFA event in recent memory. BMO has been home of CM/WNT matches along with BC Place and Commonwealth and I imagine 2026 carries on with that.

To add to what others are saying: I'd be embarrassed if Skydome hosted any of these matches. Its not a stadium built for these sorts of events and would look remarkably out of place among all other venues.

BMO could only host by default, practically every other stadium in Canada is better (however one wants to interpret that)

But because of the reasons that are put forth in the Winnipeg article, Toronto will get to host with probably the least attractive facilities my opinion only)

If you could teleport Mosaic to Toronto you'd have a winner.

How would the RC look out of place with BC Place and the Big O? Speaking of the RC, did they take some rails out during the baseball refurb so some stands won't rotate now, wonder how much that will cost to revert (if possible)

[cjones2451]

Originally Posted by esquire

How many games did FIFA want the Vet to host in 94? I presume Skydome would host no more than 3 group stage games and maybe possibly 1 game beyond that (although I suppose it would be less hassle to just put that in MTL or VAN instead), so I'd be surprised if that translated into 4 weeks.

But yeah, I guess it comes down to how badly FIFA would want to use Skydome. If they are willing to scale down how long they need exclusive access to the venue and are willing to pay Rogers' price, then they can get it. If not, off to BMO they go.



Stating the obvious here, but not all SS stadiums are built alike. BMO is not exactly Camp Nou, it's a small city's stadium and while it's reasonably charming and adequate for MLS and CFL teams, it's not really what most would typically imagine a World Cup venue to look like, with 40,000 people barely jammed in with temporary seats and all the compromises that would entail. That said, it's possible that it just might be good enough for the job even if it's a little cramped and lacking in some ways.

Personally, as a Canadian, I'd rather invite the world to Skydome as opposed to BMO.

Really, it may be "impressive" with the retractable roof, but the slope of the seats, temp grass and dealing with Rogers (Blue Jays) doesn't seem worth it to me. BMO may not be the sexy choice but with seating on the one end to bring capacity to 40-45K, it seems to me the better choice for soccer.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by FrankieFlowerpot

TFC paid something like $250K for grass when Real Madrid played there in 2009 - and it was only down for 10 days

Really? That's cheaper than I would have expected.

[cjones2451]

Originally Posted by elly63

BMO could only host by default, practically every other stadium in Canada is better (however one wants to interpret that)

But because of the reasons that are put forth in the Winnipeg article, Toronto will get to host with probably the least attractive facilities my opinion only)

If you could teleport Mosaic to Toronto you'd have a winner.

How would the RC look out of place with BC Place and the Big O? Speaking of the RC, did they take some rails out during the baseball refurb so some stands won't rotate now, wonder how much that will cost to revert (if possible)

The one thing to keep in mind is stands behind the goal are some of the best seats and when you have CFL stadia, it doesn't work. BC Place has seats that fill the gap in, but not matter how beautiful Mosiac, IGF, etc are for CFL it doesn't work as well for soccer (yes I know the Women did it in 2015, but I saw what that looked like and it is not ideal)

[elly63]

Originally Posted by esquire

Really? That's cheaper than I would have expected.

BMO has a replacement field in Mount Hope, I believe, ready to go almost at any minute. It can be harvested and taken to BMO and be useable in less than a week (preferably longer, to bed in) Ooops, guess we are talking about covering an artificial turf

[elly63]

Originally Posted by cjones2451

The one thing to keep in mind is stands behind the goal are some of the best seats and when you have CFL stadia, it doesn't work. BC Place has seats that fill the gap in, but not matter how beautiful Mosiac, IGF, etc are for CFL it doesn't work as well for soccer (yes I know the Women did it in 2015, but I saw what that looked like and it is not ideal)

Yes, I get that, but when people drone on about a soccer specific stadium really about the only major difference is the proximity of the end seats to the goal. Not much else different that I can think of off the top of my head.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by elly63

BMO could only host by default, practically every other stadium in Canada is better (however one wants to interpret that)

For soccer? Absolutely not.

Originally Posted by elly63

If you could teleport Mosaic to Toronto you'd have a winner.

We can't, so here we are.

Originally Posted by elly63

How would the RC look out of place with BC Place and the Big O? Speaking of the RC, did they take some rails out during the baseball refurb so some stands won't rotate now, wonder how much that will cost to revert (if possible)

Because it's a multi-purpose stadium. All other stadiums are football-designed (apart from BMO and Saputo, which are soccer) in the United Bid shortlist. It's not a great looking design for football or soccer and I have a hard time believing that CSA would want to invest time and energy into a stadium when a stadium designed for their sport is sitting nearby waiting for that time and energy. I'd be shocked if the CSA preferred Skydome over BMO. It's in their best interests to develop BMO for NTs as it is their more natural home. Much like the Argos, RC is never going to be a true home for CSA NTs.

[tomthumb2]

Whoever put mcmahon on the list was either concussed or hammered.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by JHikka

Because it's a multi-purpose stadium designed primarily for baseball. All other stadiums are football-designed (apart from BMO and Saputo) in the United Bid shortlist. It's not a great looking design for football or soccer and I have a hard time believing that CSA would want to invest time and energy into a stadium when a stadium designed for their sport is sitting nearby waiting for that time and energy. I'd be shocked if the CSA preferred Skydome over BMO. It's in their best interests to develop BMO for NTs4

It was never primarily designed for baseball, check your history. BC Place had the same design requirements as SkyDome because it was constructed to house not only football but a future hoped for baseball team.

The Big O, BC Place and BMO. What was it they used to sing on Sesame Street. One of these things is not like the other...

[elly63]

Originally Posted by tomthumb2

Whoever put mcmahon on the list was either concussed or hammered.

That list was basically tantamount to begging for bids.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by elly63

The Big O, BC Place and BMO. What was it they used to sing on Sesame Street. One of these things is not like the other...

One of them needs close to half a billion to be suitable for use under a timeline that I find highly suspect. Why include Saputo on the list if Olympic is such a surefire inclusion?

[elly63]

Originally Posted by JHikka

One of them needs close to half a billion to be suitable for use under a timeline that I find highly suspect. Why include Saputo on the list if Olympic is such a surefire inclusion?

It has to be done and will be done, it's iconic, they just have to make sure they do as good a job as Vancouver did with BC Place.