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Old Posted Aug 16, 2017, 3:36 PM
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Toronto is a bit more complicated. It's a slam dunk for location and fanbase. But neither BMO or Rogers are really A+ venues for an event like this. BMO is nice given that it's oriented to soccer, but let's face it, it's just not that big. Rogers Centre seems like a better fit, but could something be worked out with Rogers to gain access to the place for two weeks or however long it would take? I think it can be, so it would be in.
It can hold 40,000 and is a perfect venue for first round games which is really all Canada is likely to get anyways under the format of the proposed bid. 2026 will be the first "expanded" World cup with 48 teams - 16 more than before so there will be more "weaker" teams there.

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Under the format of the proposed bid unveiled Monday, both Canada and Mexico would each get the right to host 10 games apiece. The United States would be the clear centrepiece, hosting 60 of the 80 games, including everything from the quarter-finals on. Still, Montagliani said it’s possible Canada could wind up with knockout-stage matches in the round of 32 or the round of 16. Such details, he said, are a long way from being negotiated.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2017, 3:41 PM
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^ I guess it could work, but why on earth wouldn't Toronto just put in a temporary grass field into Skydome and host the WC games there? 15,000 extra seats + way more amenities makes it a far more ideal venue.
     
     
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There's this team called the Toronto Blue Jays - you may have heard of them?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2017, 3:55 PM
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There's this team called the Toronto Blue Jays - you may have heard of them?
Are you serious? Send the Blue Jays on the road for two weeks. The world won't end.
     
     
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Are you serious? Send the Blue Jays on the road for two weeks. The world won't end.
Veterans stadium was part of the 94' World Cup Bid and FIFA required the stadium to be available for 4 weeks. MLB would only send a team on the road for 2 weeks. Veterans stadium was never included as a final host.

I'm assuming the same issue stands today.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2017, 4:01 PM
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A soccer specific BMO vs more butts in the seats... think about it.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2017, 4:18 PM
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Veterans stadium was part of the 94' World Cup Bid and FIFA required the stadium to be available for 4 weeks. MLB would only send a team on the road for 2 weeks. Veterans stadium was never included as a final host.

I'm assuming the same issue stands today.
How many games did FIFA want the Vet to host in 94? I presume Skydome would host no more than 3 group stage games and maybe possibly 1 game beyond that (although I suppose it would be less hassle to just put that in MTL or VAN instead), so I'd be surprised if that translated into 4 weeks.

But yeah, I guess it comes down to how badly FIFA would want to use Skydome. If they are willing to scale down how long they need exclusive access to the venue and are willing to pay Rogers' price, then they can get it. If not, off to BMO they go.

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A soccer specific BMO vs more butts in the seats... think about it.
Stating the obvious here, but not all SS stadiums are built alike. BMO is not exactly Camp Nou, it's a small city's stadium and while it's reasonably charming and adequate for MLS and CFL teams, it's not really what most would typically imagine a World Cup venue to look like, with 40,000 people barely jammed in with temporary seats and all the compromises that would entail. That said, it's possible that it just might be good enough for the job even if it's a little cramped and lacking in some ways.

Personally, as a Canadian, I'd rather invite the world to Skydome as opposed to BMO.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2017, 4:29 PM
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I don't see BMO Field as anything greater than you do. It's actually built for soccer unlike the multi-use baseball focused stadium the road. It has the better atmosphere. It's more than adequate for group play. I've been to World Cup games. Not all games are these huge events that you see on TV or FIFA makes them out to be.
     
     
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RE BMO, Skydome:

BMO may have a better atmosphere for TFC or Argos, but Skydome is the best choice for a WC in my opinion. The monumental scale of Skydome isn't matched at BMO, and the atmosphere for WC games, especially if Canada plays there, will be less along the lines of an Argos game with 10 000 in attendance and more along the lines of a sellout Jays playoff game, more than on par with BMO. The amenities of a larger stadium are certainly not matched at BMO, nor is the access to all the hotels downtown.

If MLB is as stubborn about scheduling as they were with '94, they could be negotiated down to a doable 3 weeks or both stadiums could be used, BMO for less important matches with teams from countries that won't have many fans making the trip, and Skydome for bigger nations, Canada or quarterfinals.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2017, 6:10 PM
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RE Stade Olympique:

The entire project doesn't need to be accelerated five years. They could change up the timeline so the actual stadium portion is done by 2026. I could be wrong, but from what I gather in that La Presse article I don't see why it couldn't.

What I don't see is why replace the roof. It will never be a long-term home to a baseball team again, and it will host occasional events like the WC or concerts or Als and Impact games thatwon't necessarily require a roof.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2017, 6:12 PM
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I also think Rogers Centre would be the ideal location for games in Toronto over BMO (assuming it's logistically possible). With a full crowd and an open roof - it has a great atmosphere... much like packed Jays games. And the location can't be beat.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 16, 2017, 6:22 PM
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Good article in the Winnipeg Sun today which explains why Winnipeg didn't put in a bid. It also offers some insight as to the other cities' chances of hosting MWC games.

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But it's no egregious slight against the 'Peg


By Paul Friesen, Winnipeg Sun

First posted: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 06:20 PM CDT | Updated: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 07:28 PM CDT

That was an interesting list of stadiums touted as potential sites for the 2026 World Cup on Tuesday.

The U.S., Canada and Mexico are bidding for the 2026 FIFA extravaganza, and the bid committee released a list of 49 potential stadiums in 44 cities, including seven cities in Canada, that could either host games or national team training camps.

There are the obvious ones: Vancouver (B.C. Place), Montreal (Olympic Stadium) and Toronto (the stadium formerly known as SkyDome).

But the list also included Edmonton (Commonwealth Stadium), Calgary (McMahon), Ottawa (TD Place) and Regina (Mosaic).

Noticeably absent was Good Old Home Town, and the facility inhabited by the Blue Bombers, which helped host the women's World Cup in 2015.

But hold your inferiority complexes -- this was no egregious slight against the 'Peg.

In fact, when the posturing ends and it's time for cities to put up or shut up, by Sept. 5, there likely won't be more than the Big 3 still standing.

It turns out some forward-thinking local types got ahead of the curve and asked some questions about what the World Cup requirements would actually be in a conference call with Soccer Canada officials, last Wednesday.

“We had some tough questions they had tough answers to,” Manitoba Soccer Association executive director Hector Vergara was saying, Tuesday. “And based on that information it was determined that it wasn't feasible. The requirement of the men's World Cup is much different than the requirements of the women's World Cup. It's the way FIFA operates.

“The players involved are worth millions and millions of dollars. So there are a lot of variables they take into consideration.”

Starting with the stadiums, which must have 40,000 permanent seats. Not temporary -- permanent.

“I don't know if there's space to put 40,000 seats in there,” Vergara said of the Bombers' home, which seats around 33,000. “But you can imagine the magnitude of the costs to put 7,000 seats in that space. FIFA will not pay for the rebuilding of those facilities.

“There's no sense in Winnipeg getting involved in a bidding process where you have to spend millions of dollars.”

It won't be feasible for Calgary, either, where there's talk of replacing McMahon with a new home for the Stampeders.

It won't be feasible in Ottawa, where they just opened the new place a couple years ago.

And it certainly won't be in Regina, where the 33,500-seat home of the Riders still has that new-car smell.

We haven't even mentioned the FIFA requirement for grass fields. Add another $2-3 million to change over from turf.

And we're just getting started.

“They require at least two practice venues per team, and they have to be grass fields,” Vergara said. “And they have to be at the same level as the actual playing field for the competition. Dressing rooms, all the amenities required by them -- you're talking about an investment of millions and millions of dollars.”

Safe to say the Ralph Cantafio Soccer Complex on Waverley would have to be bulldozed and rebuilt entirely.

Even if there was the political will to go all-in in some of the smaller Canadian cities, the payoff isn't there, since Canada is getting just 10 games, total.

“Pick three cities, and you have three matches in each city -- and that's it,” Vergara said. “The economic impact is not going to be that huge in a city that hosts just three games.”

So for Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal, sure, they've got the stadiums in place and won't have to spend gobs of money for infrastructure.

They can also meet another of FIFA's demands: luxury accommodations for the pampered athletes and VIP's.

“They need five-star hotels, more than just the two or three we may have,” Vergara said. “The demands of a FIFA men's World Cup are huge... the number of rooms.”

Vergara touts the Brazil World Cup as an example, where the national teams of Spain and Germany rented a high-end soccer club, with four brand new fields, hotel-style rooms for the players, a kitchen, living rooms, meeting rooms, theatres – the whole nine yards.

“It became their venue for the entire World Cup,” Vergara recalled. “That's the kind of level you're talking about here.”

Teams will also want to be centrally located in the U.S., Vergara predicts, to mitigate travel.

So even the prospect of hosting a training camp before the World Cup is a non-starter for Good Old Home Town.

Within three weeks, Calgary, Ottawa, Regina and probably Edmonton will come to their senses, too, and that list of potential Canadian sites will get down to a sensible number.

“The reality comes down to this: Canada only has certain facilities that will be used for this World Cup,” Vergara said. “And it's obvious.”

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I also think Rogers Centre would be the ideal location for games in Toronto over BMO (assuming it's logistically possible). With a full crowd and an open roof - it has a great atmosphere... much like packed Jays games. And the location can't be beat.
Of course if Canada is in the round robin. Otherwise, I don't think you will fill up the dome for a match between lower ranking countries. It's not comparable to these friendlies with well known European clubs.
     
     
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Of course if Canada is in the round robin. Otherwise, I don't think you will fill up the dome for a match between lower ranking countries. It's not comparable to these friendlies with well known European clubs.
Host nations qualify automatically, and Canada will be playing all its group stage matches on Canadian soil. Toronto is the obvious choice, unless someone decides BC Place is a more suitable stadium.
     
     
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Article on Big O renos.

Rénovation du Parc olympique: une facture de 400 millions en 20 ans
Andre Dubuc La Presse May 2 2016

They're going to redo the roof. Plus the inside of the stadium too: seat replacement, sound system, lighting, etc.

It's scheduled for completion by 2031 but if there is a WC on the table I am sure they'd accelerate.
See? I believed and it came true.

Here's the useful stuff

After 2021, it will be the turn of the Stadium to undergo a rejuvenation: sound system, LED lighting, restoration of the toilets, replacement of benches, fenestration (windows and doors), renewal of sound and video control and modernization of subsystems, mechanical ventilation and electric power stations that power the offices.

What is not included in the 400 million bill
  • $ 43.5 million to transform the 45-degree sloped concrete mast into an office building for the Desjardins Access D division. The amount will be borrowed by the RIO. It will be repaid over 20 years with the income from the lease.
  • 150 million minimum for a new roof
  • $ 25 million for the construction of a National Sport Institute
I thought I remembered that last part about the NSI
     
     
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Otherwise, I don't think you will fill up the dome for a match between lower ranking countries. It's not comparable to these friendlies with well known European clubs.
Every game, no matter who is playing, will have no problem selling out.
     
     
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Edmonton has logistic hurdles.
Never seemed to hurt them in the past with large multisport competitions, we're only talking about two WC games (as big an event as they may be)
     
     
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The two most suitable venues for hosting WC matches in Canada are BMO and BC Place followed by Commonwealth
I'd be embarrassed if we had games at BMO with Winnipeg and Regina not represented. This isn't a shot at Toronto, it's a shot at the facility.
     
     
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Host nations qualify automatically, and Canada will be playing all its group stage matches on Canadian soil. Toronto is the obvious choice, unless someone decides BC Place is a more suitable stadium.
In the case of the 2026 bid - that's not confirmed yet
     
     
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