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Centretown ~85 metres above sea level
Lowertown ~75 metres above sea level
LeBreton ~65 metres above sea level

LeBreton may very well be the downest part of downtown



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Bronson-area land preferred site for new library, says study

Matthew Pearson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: June 2, 2015, Last Updated: June 2, 2015 5:32 PM EDT


Constructing a brand new $86-million central library in downtown Ottawa is a better option than renovating the current building on Metcalfe Street, says a new report to be considered by the public library’s board of directors next week.

The project is still a long way from becoming a reality, but consultants have identified city-owned land at 557 Wellington St., just west of Bronson Avenue, as the preferred site.

It topped six other city-owned locations in the central core, including 7 Bayview Rd., the future home of the city’s new Innovation Centre.

The Wellington Street site is considered a superior location because it is on the edge of the downtown precinct, is close to commercial, residential and institutional facilities, and is easily accessible by public transit, walking, cycling and car.

The site is just east of where the new Pimisi light-rail station is to be located.

Somerset Coun. Catherine McKenney said Tuesday that she has often believed that the central library should be located east of Bronson. But the Wellington site is just on the other side of Bronson and would be well-served by transit and cycling routes.

“If you look at it from that perspective, it’s a fantastic site,” she said.

The report comes almost a year after the library board was given three options for modernizing its existing facility at 120 Metcalfe St. — renewal, renovation, redevelopment.

But none of those options was seen as workable, especially considering the cost was estimated at as high as $70 million.

The board then directed staff to develop a business case for a new facility with the potential for a public-private partnership.

Consultants were hired to identify city-owned sites close to public transit that have the potential to accommodate the 130,000 square feet needed to build a new library, and to develop cost estimates and get an appraisal to determine the estimated value of the existing building.

The current main library and administrative offices total 109,000 square feet. A 132,000-square foot central library would represent a 21 per cent increase in size.

The modernized facility is envisioned as a downtown, community-based creative learning library that would serve as both a downtown branch and provide city-wide services, be user-friendly, accessible and welcoming. It would feature flexible spaces, have wireless service throughout the building and provide the ability for some components to be open when library is closed.

One of the principles of the new-build option is that the new central library should remain in the urban core to provide convenient access to the Confederation line when it opens in 2018.

Seven city-owned sites were identified that are within or near the downtown core and close to a planned station on the Confederation line.

The sites are: 7 Bayview Rd., 557 Wellington St., 156-160 Lyon St., 110 Laurier Ave. W., 70 Clarence St., 300 Coventry Rd., and 141 Bayview Rd.

Five of those sites didn’t pass the first test and were not given further consideration because they did not score high enough (the evaluation criteria included the site’s physical capacity, LRT and pedestrian access, and location in the downtown central area).

The Bayview and Wellington sites were given a closer look, but Bayview scored lower because it’s on the western edge of the central area and is not near any commercial, residential or institutional facilities.

The site also has “significant environmental and geotechnical issues,” the consultants say.

In addition to the city using public funds to build a new library on city land, the consultants identified four other options for structuring the project, including the possibility of partnering with a private-sector consortium to design and build the new facility on land that’s either owned by the city or by the developer.

When it considers the report next week, the library board will also be asked to approve spending $800,000 this year to continue planning for the project. A new central library has also been identified as a priority in the strategic initiatives exercise, which is currently underway.

The library board and, ultimately, city council aren’t expected to award the contract until 2017. Construction would likely begin the following year.

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557 Wellington Street is the exact site of the Confederation Line tunnel's west portal staging yard:



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An odd choice of sites, IMO. It's not really "downtown", not that it necessarily has to be, but it's not really central either, nor is it close to any schools or offices, where most users would come from. It is sort of close to a new LRT station, but where are the shops and cafes? where is the pedestrian traffic flow that should be all around a library?

But hey, it is close to Lebreton Flats... maybe Claridge will lowball the bid and use some of the leftover materials from Fusion. A yellow brick library anyone?
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That lot has long been earmarked for tall buildings, I'm curious to see what kind of Public/Private Parternship the city cooks up for this one...so long as Claridge is not involved.
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An odd choice of sites, IMO. It's not really "downtown", not that it necessarily has to be, but it's not really central either, nor is it close to any schools or offices, where most users would come from. It is sort of close to a new LRT station, but where are the shops and cafes? where is the pedestrian traffic flow that should be all around a library?

But hey, it is close to Lebreton Flats... maybe Claridge will lowball the bid and use some of the leftover materials from Fusion. A yellow brick library anyone?
Shops & cafes can be part if the library if needed. The LRT station TOD & new LRT station nearby will make pedestrian traffic a non-issue.
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I really like that location. Far enough west to be part of the rejuvenation of this part of town, far enough east to be easily connected to the current core.
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I don't think any decision on a site has been made.

The Business case say that the procurement model could be based on building on a city site, or it could allow the bidder to propose a site they own.

So there could be a scenario where a developer who owns land within the designated area could propose to integrate a new central library with their development.

EDIT: The report specifies that the site could be potentially anywhere in the area defined by this map:
http://app05.ottawa.ca/sirepub/cache...1511445747.PDF

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I don't think any decision on a site has been made.

The Business case say that the procurement model could be based on building on a city site, or it could allow the bidder to propose a site they own.

So there could be a scenario where a developer who owns land within the designated area could propose to integrate a new central library with their development.

EDIT: The report specifies that the site could be potentially anywhere in the area defined by this map:
http://app05.ottawa.ca/sirepub/cache...1511445747.PDF
This link appears to be broken.
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2015, 5:42 PM
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Central library plan calls for more creative, kid-friendly space
Report favours $86M new build over renovations

By Emma Jackson
Ottawa West News, June 3, 2015


The Ottawa Public Library is getting creative as it continues to hash out its central library plan.

A new framework, which the library’s board will consider on June 9, is the culmination of a year of research and consultation into what residents want to see in a new and improved main branch.

Staff is recommending it be built brand new somewhere between Bayview Road and King Edward Avenue, with a price tag of about $86 million.

That same amount could pay for a complete overhaul – staff suggest renovating the current location could cost between $46 and $86 million – but they argue it’s simply too small to accommodate the needs of a modern main branch.

Central libraries built elsewhere in North American are less a warehouse for books and more a community gathering space, and estimated space requirements for a city like Ottawa is about 130,000 square feet. The Metcalfe Street location is only 109,000, with considerable limitations when it comes to layout, lighting and maintenance.

The preferred city-owned spot for a new building is 557 Wellington St., just west of the Albert and Bronson intersection. It’s in the downtown core, close to rapid transit and part of a priority development area, which makes it ideal.

But the door’s not closed to building on privately-owned land with similar benefits in partnership with a developer, either. Those details could still take several years to confirm.

What is clear is the need for more space to be creative, as well as extra room for kids and teens, according to library business manager Elaine Condos.

“The overall space is about the same size as what was proposed last year,” said Condos. “But because of the public input and a review of the trends and best practices, there were some key changes.”

The ratio between publicly accessible space and private corporate space for staff in the 132,000 square foot plan has shifted in the public’s favour, she said. Creative space has grown the most, ballooning from a suggested 1,500 square feet in last year’s report to more than 3,500 sq ft today. That could include things like film and music studios, a maker space or a “messy lab” where people can get their hands dirty doing art and other workshops.

Space for a children’s discovery centre has also grown from 6,000 to more than 10,300 sq ft, and the teen zone has jumped from 2,500 to 4,000.

Consultants working with library staff predicted those areas were going to be too small in the original plan, Condos said, and that was borne out in the public consultations held earlier this year.

More than 200 residents attended a workshop at city hall in March, and hundreds more provided input online or through in-person activities at the 40-year-old Main branch on Metcalfe Street.

Ideas for the new building ranged from in-house coffee shops to a public laudromat, but the common themes made it clear most people are looking for a place they can be creative, come together and access learning materials.

The new plan also includes a small cafe, 6,500 sq ft for a geneology centre and 12,000 sq ft worth of community meeting space.

NEXT STEPS

The library board will consider the program framework, building options and the tendering process – as well as $800,000 to continue this year’s planning – on June 9.

From there, council will meet in July approve its strategic initiatives, of which the central library is one.

Then it’s a three-year process to nail down partnership opportunities, location, programming details and budget, Condos said.

As soon as council approves the library as a strategic priority, Condos said staff can get to work gathering even more information about how the city might go about constructing the new library. That will include doing site investigations and researching funding and grant opportunities.

That process should wrap up by the end of 2016, when staff will go back to the library board for approval so it can start screening interested developers by fall 2016. Staff will finally begin accepting requests for proposals by early 2017, and Condos said construction will likely start in 2018.

“It seems like a long time, but there’s a lot of work to do,” Condos said.

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We are killing our downtown if we choose to place our central library branch outside of downtown and I do not consider Bayview or Lebreton Flats as part of downtown.
I agree that Bayview is not downtown, but LeBreton certainly is (or will be in a few short years, once full redeveloped).

Arts Court and the Market are also "downtown", imo.

I still think the best location for a new Central Library would be around the old Ottawa Tech High School. Perhaps built above the future LRT Lyon Station?
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130,000 sq.ft is far too small. Ottawa is a much bigger city than Halifax, and it just opened a 120k sq.ft facility, whereas Calgary, which is comparable in size to Ottawa, is building a new library at 240k sq. ft.

Why are we aiming for something so small?
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130,000 sq.ft is far too small. Ottawa is a much bigger city than Halifax, and it just opened a 120k sq.ft facility, whereas Calgary, which is comparable in size to Ottawa, is building a new library at 240k sq. ft.

Why are we aiming for something so small?
Because the city is cheap.
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Bronson-area land preferred site for new library, says study

Matthew Pearson, Ottawa Citizen
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Published on: June 2, 2015
Last Updated: June 2, 2015 5:32 PM EDT


Constructing a brand new $86-million central library in downtown Ottawa is a better option than renovating the current building on Metcalfe Street, says a new report to be considered by the public library’s board of directors next week.

The project is still a long way from becoming a reality, but consultants have identified city-owned land at 557 Wellington St., just west of Bronson Avenue, as the preferred site.

It topped six other city-owned locations in the central core, including 7 Bayview Rd., the future home of the city’s new Innovation Centre.

The Wellington Street site is considered a superior location because it is on the edge of the downtown precinct, is close to commercial, residential and institutional facilities, and is easily accessible by public transit, walking, cycling and car.

The site is just east of where the new Pimisi light-rail station is to be located.

Somerset Coun. Catherine McKenney said Tuesday that she has often believed that the central library should be located east of Bronson. But the Wellington site is just on the other side of Bronson and would be well-served by transit and cycling routes.

“If you look at it from that perspective, it’s a fantastic site,” she said.

The report comes almost a year after the library board was given three options for modernizing its existing facility at 120 Metcalfe St. — renewal, renovation, redevelopment.

But none of those options was seen as workable, especially considering the cost was estimated at as high as $70 million.

The board then directed staff to develop a business case for a new facility with the potential for a public-private partnership.

Consultants were hired to identify city-owned sites close to public transit that have the potential to accommodate the 130,000 square feet needed to build a new library, and to develop cost estimates and get an appraisal to determine the estimated value of the existing building.

The current main library and administrative offices total 109,000 square feet. A 132,000-square foot central library would represent a 21 per cent increase in size.

The modernized facility is envisioned as a downtown, community-based creative learning library that would serve as both a downtown branch and provide city-wide services, be user-friendly, accessible and welcoming. It would feature flexible spaces, have wireless service throughout the building and provide the ability for some components to be open when library is closed.

One of the principles of the new-build option is that the new central library should remain in the urban core to provide convenient access to the Confederation line when it opens in 2018.

Seven city-owned sites were identified that are within or near the downtown core and close to a planned station on the Confederation line.

The sites are: 7 Bayview Rd., 557 Wellington St., 156-160 Lyon St., 110 Laurier Ave. W., 70 Clarence St., 300 Coventry Rd., and 141 Bayview Rd.

Five of those sites didn’t pass the first test and were not given further consideration because they did not score high enough (the evaluation criteria included the site’s physical capacity, LRT and pedestrian access, and location in the downtown central area).

The Bayview and Wellington sites were given a closer look, but Bayview scored lower because it’s on the western edge of the central area and is not near any commercial, residential or institutional facilities.

The site also has “significant environmental and geotechnical issues,” the consultants say.

In addition to the city using public funds to build a new library on city land, the consultants identified four other options for structuring the project, including the possibility of partnering with a private-sector consortium to design and build the new facility on land that’s either owned by the city or by the developer.

When it considers the report next week, the library board will also be asked to approve spending $800,000 this year to continue planning for the project. A new central library has also been identified as a priority in the strategic initiatives exercise, which is currently underway.

The library board and, ultimately, city council aren’t expected to award the contract until 2017. Construction would likely begin the following year.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-...ary-says-study

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All I can say is the area around the north end of Bronson has been dead as far back as I can remember. No shopping, no places to eat and right now, no place pleasant to walk. The Bronson and Albert/Slater intersection is like a freeway interchange and is not a pleasant place for pedestrians. I am sure we will see changes in the area, but it is hard to create a new business district when it is so cut off from existing business districts to the east and west and south.

I was hoping for a location closer to our traditional downtown, which is the Bank, Sparks, Rideau axis. The farther we get away from that, the less desirable it gets in my opinion.
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130,000 sq.ft is far too small. Ottawa is a much bigger city than Halifax, and it just opened a 120k sq.ft facility, whereas Calgary, which is comparable in size to Ottawa, is building a new library at 240k sq. ft.

Why are we aiming for something so small?
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All I can say is the area around the north end of Bronson has been dead as far back as I can remember. No shopping, no places to eat and right now, no place pleasant to walk. The Bronson and Albert/Slater intersection is like a freeway interchange and is not a pleasant place for pedestrians. I am sure we will see changes in the area, but it is hard to create a new business district when it is so cut off from existing business districts to the east and west and south.

I was hoping for a location closer to our traditional downtown, which is the Bank, Sparks, Rideau axis. The farther we get away from that, the less desirable it gets in my opinion.
Those intersections are a damn mess. My preference would be to, after the Confederation Line is finished:
1) Close the part of Slater west of Bronson
2) Make Albert two-way through to Bronson
3) End Commissioner at Albert

... Thus making for a much cleaner set of intersections.

Also, find some way of connecting the Scott-Albert MUP to the Laurier MUP through the area, possibly using the closed part of Slater.
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I hate to be blunt about this but our Central Library has been a daytime homeless shelter for many years. We now plan to move it to the opposite end of downtown from where the shelters are located. Is this a bit of social engineering going on here? I think that generally speaking it is good idea to give homeless people a warm and quiet place to go during the day, otherwise, what will these people be doing? I am thinking, up to no good. I know we don't like to talk about such things, but are their unintended consequences possible?

Also, we talk about Bronson being a great access route by car. That might be true but where do you park? This is right up against the escarpment with few streets nearby and based on current planning trends, it is unlikely that we will see more than the bare minimum of parking spaces in our future plans for Lebreton Flats. I know it is all about the Confederation Line but I just see this location as being less accessible than Metcalfe Street. After all, the vast majority of Ottawans will not live within walking distance of the Confederation Line and we all know that transit will always be the pits pretty well everywhere else outside of peak periods.

I looked at the location of the new Halifax, Calgary and Vancouver Central Libraries and they all seem to be more in the 'centre of the action' than this plan.
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Let's try this:
http://app05.ottawa.ca/sirepub/view....&fileid=293376

The RFP may allow the bidders to propose a site anywhere in the pink area on the map. I don't believe the Bronson site is set in stone.
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