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Ok...First of all, we are going to have to agree to disagree about Rob. I think he is an amazing visionary who puts these ideas out there for Sacramento on a grand scale when very few others are. 2) He did not call for the "Disneylandification" of Old Sac. He proposed a few ideas that would make it better. What's wrong with people in period clothing walking around (for general info or historic education)? The piped in smells? Ok...that's not all that necessary. But, the lighting and the music...ABSOLUTELY that would be amazing in that area! What an (even more) amazing place Old Sac would be if it were a cohesive district tied together by period-specific music and historic significance!!! I don't get what's wrong with his ideas. He's not wanting parades/shows or Disney characters walking around...he's proposing things that "plus" Old Sac and add to it's charm.
I agree about Rob Turner. I enjoy reading his quarterly ideas.
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I recently had some friends, who have lived in San Francisco for many years, come to stay with me for a weekend. Sunday morning, we rode our bikes down T street, had breakfast at Fox and Goose, took a peek in the Crocker art museum and then headed over to Old Sac. Even though they have lived only 90 miles away for two decades they had no idea why anyone would ever come to our town. It had been “common knowledge” how terrible Sacramento was, and they were shocked by how much they liked it after actually bothering to visit.
I bring this up since everyone is talking about Old Town. People who live in Sacramento tend to forget about it, but to people who are not from here, it is an unexpected treat to visit.
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Developer revises plan for 7-story mixed use building on I Street

http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/ne...-revises-plan-for-7-story-mixed-use.html

Bay Miry’s D&S Development has revised a plan with the city for i15, a mixed-use project of seven stories at 1431 I St., at what's now a shuttered car repair shop.

According to a revised proposal recently submitted to the city of Sacramento, the building would have 91 residential units and 2,000 square feet of first-floor retail space, kitty-corner to the Sacramento Memorial Auditorium.

The item does not indicate what was previously proposed for the site or what revisions are being proposed. Miry did not immediately return a call for comment.

Details in the proposal show residence units on every floor, with four behind the first-floor retail and, in an apparent nod to sensibilities of modern urban living, a bike storage room.

The second through fifth floors would have units of a square footage not described in the proposal, while the top two floors would be composed of lofts, apparently slightly larger in size than the units below. There also would be an outdoor terrace on one floor, apparently facing west.

The project will be a bit of a squeeze into a lot directly east of a Quality Inn motel, which has a pool just north of the i15 project site.

There also is no described parking for the project, though changes in city planning codes last year included an easier path to approval for projects without identified parking. There’s also a handful of parking garages nearby.

Another Miry mixed-use project now under construction, 16 Powerhouse in midtown Sacramento, has a floor designated for an automated parking system unique to the region but found in other cities.
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This is the first true test if the planning commission will approve a project of this size with zero parking places, allowed under the new zoning rules they just approved.

Let's let the free market decide how much parking is needed.

I think it's great, let put in 10 more of these down I and J.
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Excellent proposal! Very encouraging seeing things pick back up.
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I suppose 7 stories is decent for that area.

And I love the complete lack of parking. I really hope this becomes the new trend. I also hope the vast majority of the surface parking in the grid goes away this decade.
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It's a very old joke, I'm more interested in how to leave the Majin Crew. Although on this, he and I agree--I'd like to see more buildings like this in place of surface parking lots downtown. It's also just the sort of building that developers were knocking down until the 1990s or so because housing downtown was "obsolete," and nobody would rent in a building without a parking structure. I didn't pay much attention to that sort of thing back then, but reading a lot of old articles from the 1980s and 1990s, what strikes me is how much a building like this reminds me of places like the Merrium and Francesca, in function if not explicitly in form.

Plenty of people visit Old Sacramento and really like it, they do not share the bias against their hometown's tourist attraction/amenity. It's not uncommon at all for people to downplay the local tourist trap--not a lot of San Franciscans go to Fisherman's Wharf a lot, nor Chicagoans to Navy Pier, except when family is in town and they want to go someplace touristy and family-appropriate--just like Old Sacramento. The same Capitol Mall that people talk about as being boring and uninspired makes visiting photographers whip out their cameras, from cellphone shots to folks with tripods and gigantic lenses. The problem is, Interstate 5 and a lack of reasons to cross it means that many visitors to Old Sacramento don't realize that there is a whole city on the other side of the bridge.
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Just checked the 301 thread. 500/833 units had soft deposits.
Ironically it was close.
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2014, 2:26 AM
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I had met her a couple times years ago and she was very nice.
I've met he twice and she was quite curt both times. I supported her up until Johnson ran against her.
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2014, 2:30 AM
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It's a very old joke, I'm more interested in how to leave the Majin Crew. Although on this, he and I agree--I'd like to see more buildings like this in place of surface parking lots downtown. It's also just the sort of building that developers were knocking down until the 1990s or so because housing downtown was "obsolete," and nobody would rent in a building without a parking structure. I didn't pay much attention to that sort of thing back then, but reading a lot of old articles from the 1980s and 1990s, what strikes me is how much a building like this reminds me of places like the Merrium and Francesca, in function if not explicitly in form.

Plenty of people visit Old Sacramento and really like it, they do not share the bias against their hometown's tourist attraction/amenity. It's not uncommon at all for people to downplay the local tourist trap--not a lot of San Franciscans go to Fisherman's Wharf a lot, nor Chicagoans to Navy Pier, except when family is in town and they want to go someplace touristy and family-appropriate--just like Old Sacramento. The same Capitol Mall that people talk about as being boring and uninspired makes visiting photographers whip out their cameras, from cellphone shots to folks with tripods and gigantic lenses. The problem is, Interstate 5 and a lack of reasons to cross it means that many visitors to Old Sacramento don't realize that there is a whole city on the other side of the bridge.

Very true... Also not everybody who lives in the central city will own a car.
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BTW what good has the Old City Assoc. really done for this city? Now you guys are trying to save the suburban-style housing projects in West Broadway because they're "historic." Really? Forgive me if I take your opinion with a grain of salt. Sorry to be so harsh but I've about had it with your Mr Know-it-all attitude.
Yeah, the New Helvetia Housing Projects are historic! That used to be the murder capital of Sacramento! I mean sure it went quiet for a decade or so, but recently has started to show signs of life again with a handful of recent murders! That's totally worth protecting!
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I think what truly needs to be said is that there is an entire generation of Sacramentans, of which I'm a part of, that came of age everywhere from Elk Grove to East Sac and all over the city. We remember being passengers in our parents' cars driving around downtown and seeing, well, nothing. Now we've gone off to school, to cities like Portland, San Diego, and Seattle, right as all the other cities are booming. What we want (and I use we loosely since I know I can't wait to return home) is Sacramento to be just as good, if not better, than all those cities. The whole point of going to architecture school is so that I can return home to be a part of that change to my city. At the very least, I'm sick of a lot of the "no we can't," Boomer-era Sacramento thinking, and at the worst, it's sickening. We have the opportunity to be a better city than Portland; we already have a better climate, better access to our (much cleaner) rivers, and more great local food options. Sacramento needs to grow up, and now's the best opportunity we have, burning bright like a phoenix coming out of the recession, because I don't know about everyone else, but I remember driving through Tent City every other weekend and I refuse to let that happen to my city again.

Bring on the wrecking balls; there isn't a single two-story condo downtown that doesn't need demolishing.
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I think what truly needs to be said is that there is an entire generation of Sacramentans, of which I'm a part of, that came of age everywhere from Elk Grove to East Sac and all over the city. We remember being passengers in our parents' cars driving around downtown and seeing, well, nothing. Now we've gone off to school, to cities like Portland, San Diego, and Seattle, right as all the other cities are booming. What we want (and I use we loosely since I know I can't wait to return home) is Sacramento to be just as good, if not better, than all those cities. The whole point of going to architecture school is so that I can return home to be a part of that change to my city. At the very least, I'm sick of a lot of the "no we can't," Boomer-era Sacramento thinking, and at the worst, it's sickening. We have the opportunity to be a better city than Portland; we already have a better climate, better access to our (much cleaner) rivers, and more great local food options. Sacramento needs to grow up, and now's the best opportunity we have, burning bright like a phoenix coming out of the recession, because I don't know about everyone else, but I remember driving through Tent City every other weekend and I refuse to let that happen to my city again.

Bring on the wrecking balls; there isn't a single two-story condo downtown that doesn't need demolishing.
I don't think I'm of that generation (maybe a few years older). But, I agree wholeheartedly!...and I can't wait to come back either!
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I've met he twice and she was quite curt both times. I supported her up until Johnson ran against her.
This was my experience the one time I met her. All on her as she was unprovoked.
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This was my experience the one time I met her. All on her as she was unprovoked.
I did meet her through a mutual friend. So, that may have been the reason (or just my normal charms! ).
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I think what truly needs to be said is that there is an entire generation of Sacramentans, of which I'm a part of, that came of age everywhere from Elk Grove to East Sac and all over the city.
There are several generations of Sacramentans who grew up in the slurbs. I'm one of them too, but of the previous generation--the so-called "Generation X" in between the Millennials and the Boomers (mid-30s to about 50.) You don't hear about us much, but some of us moved downtown 20-30 years ago, and plenty of us never left, despite reports that we all moved to the slurbs to raise kids.
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We remember being passengers in our parents' cars driving around downtown and seeing, well, nothing.
You should have gotten out of the car, because you missed a rather nice city. I took the bus downtown, walked around, and saw all sorts of things: beautiful buildings, sidewalks where people actually walked, grown adults riding bikes. Record stores and bookstores that sold totally different stuff than you found at the mall, restaurants that served food that wasn't anything like the fast food in a suburban strip mall, coffee shops that stayed open until midnight where crazy-looking people hung out until well after midnight, and flyers everywhere for punk shows, poetry readings, dance clubs and plays, midnight movies and street festivals. I didn't get to much of the late-night stuff because I had to take the bus back home and the bus line in my slurb stopped running by like 8 PM (unless I didn't mind getting stranded and walking around all night.) I decided that I wanted to live in a place like that when I grew up.
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Now we've gone off to school, to cities like Portland, San Diego, and Seattle, right as all the other cities are booming. What we want (and I use we loosely since I know I can't wait to return home) is Sacramento to be just as good, if not better, than all those cities. The whole point of going to architecture school is so that I can return home to be a part of that change to my city.
I went off to school in a small college town, which had its own charms but by the end of the school year I couldn't wait to get back to Sacramento, which had big-city charms I liked. At least once I seriously considered missing the first week of school because there was some great show happening in downtown Sacramento that would never come to my little college town. After school I came back to the slurbs, but moved to Midtown once I got a chance. I still didn't have a car, and I wanted to be part of the vibrant music and art scene that I saw in the neighborhood--and be part of the change I saw going on. That was when people were moving from cities like Portland to Sacramento to be part of the music scene, and San Francisco was still recovering from the big quake--the dot-com boom hadn't kicked in yet. I spent a lot of time in other cities too, and tried to bring back ideas that I saw there if I liked them. Some stuck, some haven't.
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At the very least, I'm sick of a lot of the "no we can't," Boomer-era Sacramento thinking, and at the worst, it's sickening. We have the opportunity to be a better city than Portland; we already have a better climate, better access to our (much cleaner) rivers, and more great local food options.
I used to be down on Boomers too, until I got to know a few of them, and discovered that many of them moved to Midtown (before anyone called it Midtown) in order to live a more urban life in a more walkable place. They were the ones calling for transit, bike lanes, and increased residential/mixed use of downtown, legalized street life, opening art galleries and stores, all that Jane Jacobs stuff, back in the 1970s when the Metro Chamber and downtown developers were still pushing the line that nobody should ever live downtown, they should just drive from the suburbs to enjoy their fancy new K Street Mall and Downtown Plaza (instead of visiting the mall in their suburb that sold the same stuff.) Some of the first experiments in what we now call "new urbanism" took place in Sacramento, in the wake of a redevelopment era where the Boomers' parents (and grandparents) had the bright idea that if they kicked out everyone who lived downtown and destroyed all the buildings, they could solve the problems of the city (by leaving the city.) The Boomers who moved downtown were the ones who turned the tide and the mass demolitions that cut the central city's population in half. And, like GenXers like me, a lot of them never bothered moving to the slurbs either.

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Sacramento needs to grow up, and now's the best opportunity we have, burning bright like a phoenix coming out of the recession, because I don't know about everyone else, but I remember driving through Tent City every other weekend and I refuse to let that happen to my city again.
We are in an interesting time with a lot of opportunity. What is your plan to resolve the Tent City issue, which, so far as I know, hasn't actually been solved, just shifted to other areas of town and mostly out of public view?
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Bring on the wrecking balls; there isn't a single two-story condo downtown that doesn't need demolishing.
The only two-story condos I'm familiar with in the central city are the profusion of 2-3 story "skinny house" condos and row houses, like Tapestri Square, 2500 R, 5th & V, Washington Square, Metro Square etcetera, all built within the past 10-20 years with a lot more on the way on infill sites throughout the central city, along with the many midsize apartment buildings recently completed, under construction or on the drawing board. Much of this represents the culmination of those Boomers that received so much flak from the city back in the 1970s.

Those 2-3 story condos also represent ownership housing, which is seriously lacking in the central city (90% of the Grid is rental.) Do you seriously want to destroy these brand-new and recently built buildings? Why?
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Keeping it short, I agree with a lot of what ThatDarnSacramentan said. I did get a chance as a kid to get around downtown a bit, and always enjoyed it, especially coming down from the foothills. It was just so different and on such a larger scale. I only made more trips when I had the means to come down on my own time.

I (begrudgingly) am identified as a Millennial, but have seen many good things from those of us in the upper age range of the generation. There's a feeling, and perhaps a solid percentage more of "us" interested in urban living than earlier generations, but "we" certainly can't think we're pioneers. I also think we'll see a larger push though from retiring/aging Boomers who either want something different or maybe even have no choice better than to live in an urban setting. I do know for a fact that I'm glad to call midtown home, and only see the area improving over time over what is already the best neighborhood in the region, IMO.

Now we just need to get many of the visiting suburbanites to realize where they are when they drive in the grid and quit trying to blow through every light they come across.

As for the 2 (or 3) story buildings that need demolishing, we can start with those awful "Villas" for the Sacramento Commons project.
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Developer revises plan for 7-story mixed use building on I Street

http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/ne...-revises-plan-for-7-story-mixed-use.html

Bay Miry’s D&S Development has revised a plan with the city for i15, a mixed-use project of seven stories at 1431 I St., at what's now a shuttered car repair shop.

According to a revised proposal recently submitted to the city of Sacramento, the building would have 91 residential units and 2,000 square feet of first-floor retail space, kitty-corner to the Sacramento Memorial Auditorium.

The item does not indicate what was previously proposed for the site or what revisions are being proposed. Miry did not immediately return a call for comment.

Details in the proposal show residence units on every floor, with four behind the first-floor retail and, in an apparent nod to sensibilities of modern urban living, a bike storage room.

The second through fifth floors would have units of a square footage not described in the proposal, while the top two floors would be composed of lofts, apparently slightly larger in size than the units below. There also would be an outdoor terrace on one floor, apparently facing west.

The project will be a bit of a squeeze into a lot directly east of a Quality Inn motel, which has a pool just north of the i15 project site.

There also is no described parking for the project, though changes in city planning codes last year included an easier path to approval for projects without identified parking. There’s also a handful of parking garages nearby.

Another Miry mixed-use project now under construction, 16 Powerhouse in midtown Sacramento, has a floor designated for an automated parking system unique to the region but found in other cities.

What's a project announcement without a rendering!



Seeing what I have of the Planning/Design commission, I think there's plenty of smarts to see what a good project/concept this is, especially for this site. The north side of I Street at that corner is a bit depressing currently.
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What's a project announcement without a rendering!



Seeing what I have of the Planning/Design commission, I think there's plenty of smarts to see what a good project/concept this is, especially for this site. The north side of I Street at that corner is a bit depressing currently.
um this render is a little larger than 7 stories.........
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