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Old Posted Sep 5, 2013, 2:38 PM
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They didn't bother trying. They are saying the demand wouldn't be/isn't there (which is of course bullshit). I think we are seeing a bit of the Montreal theory at play though, i.e. artificially limiting capacity in the hopes that a shortage makes demand/perception bigger (which I still think has a limited return and backfires in the end).

They also put in corporate boxes, which you can see ringing the stadium between the first and second decks. This has limited how much they could add in terms of expansion seating. There was a blocked off a street in '95 as well, something they didn't want to do this year.

A photo from '95 off of the city of Regina Website (55k capacity):

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True. ( . . . . and for other reasons as mentioned above.)

In '95, that game was the 'trial run' game for organizers to iron out any deficiencies in advance to the Grey Cup - for it was the first Grey Cup ever held in Regina. (Attendance was 55,438 for the trial run game; and the '95 Grey Cup's attendance was 52,564.)

After the '95 Grey Cup, the temporary bleachers were sent to Atlanta for the '96 Olympics.

The 2003's Grey Cup had 50,909 attendees.

44,910 is still pretty good - considering the reduced Grey Cup expansion potential at Mosaic.
     
     
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The Argos have agreed a 5 year lease extension at Rogers Centre - according to Argos CEO Chris Rudge

19 minutes in

http://iphone.tsn.ca/tsnpodcasts/DriveShow_HourTwo_Sept4.mp3

Conversely Tim Leiweke was on a conference call today and he mentioned they are looking into possibilities of adapting BMO to suit football should the need arise

About 25 minutes into the call here

http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/
     
     
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What shows are these, so we can listen to the archive. Please and thank you.

I guess the first one is the drive show hour two? And is the second PTS?
     
     
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The first link is from the TSN Radio Drive Show Hour 2 yesterday

The second link is from a conference call that Leiweke was giving about Kevin Payne being fired. It just happened to be on the Sportsent Fan590 website
     
     
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Conversely Tim Leiweke was on a conference call today and he mentioned they are looking into possibilities of adapting BMO to suit football should the need arise
I would say if he can get movable stands and some sort of roof, the Argos will be playing at BMO. If I read between the lines correctly he's saying if it can be done without making the experience for soccer fans worse he's not against it. The soccer fans must be flipping now.

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The problem with that article is that the NFL will have to change their no corporate ownership rule for that to happen. Highly unlikely.
Just listening to this interview Frankie posted, sounds like there has been discussion about changing this.

TSN Radio Drive Show Hour 2 September 4/2013 (Starts about 13:55)

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Update on Tim Hortons Field from RawMeat1000 at the Ticats.ca Forums



The east stands are staring to really take shape. Both beams are now on 5 spans and you can see the angle at the back on top.



Those beams to support the lights are quite wide.



The west stands are past the halfway point for the steel. A couple more weeks and this stage should probably be finished.



At first I didn't think much had been done on the west side with only a couple more seating spans up but facing the street a lot of steel has been erected.
     
     
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BY GORDON KENT, EDMONTON JOURNAL

EDMONTON - Premier Alison Redford has refused Edmonton’s request for $7 million to help build a community rink beside the downtown arena, according to letters released Friday.

In a June 11 letter to Mayor Stephen Mandel, Redford states that the province already provides “significant funding” to municipalities through the Municipal Sustainability Initiative.

“Additional provincial funds are not available to support the community rink project; however, the city may wish to consider using a portion of its remaining MSI funding.”

The letter was obtained by the Canadian Taxpayers Federation through access to information legislation.

The city had hoped to receive $7 million each from the provincial and federal governments toward the $21-million rink, intended to be used by the public and as Oilers practice ice.

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Argos could play at BMO Field: Leiweke
Bill Lankhof, Toronto Sun September 05, 2013

TORONTO - Football may be coming to BMO Field.

In a conference call that will be disquieting for soccer fans, but welcomed by Argonauts fans, Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment president Tim Leiweke indicated Thursday the stadium could be in for changes.

Leiweke said while the interests of soccer fans wouldn’t be ignored, he didn’t guarantee keeping a grass field, and he didn’t rule out reconfiguring the stadium to accommodate football.

The Toronto Sun’s Frank Zicarelli wrote Wednesday that MLSE could be entering discussions with the Argonauts about purchasing the club. Leiweke indicated there have been discussions about BMO Field, and that they are on-going. The Argos are negotiating with the Rogers Centre for a new lease (renewed for 5 years - JM) but want to move to a smaller venue such as the MLSE-owned BMO Field.

Leiweke is meeting with TFC season-ticket holders Sunday. “We’re going to stand front and centre and look them in the eye and communicate here — good, bad and indifferent. What we’ll tell them on football is that we did football at (the Stub Hub Center) in L.A. with different games including the high school championships and a whole series of games there,” Leiweke said, when Toronto Sun soccer writer Kurt Larson asked about the possibility of the Argos moving into BMO.

“We’ve done rugby (at BMO). They do football down in Houston at (BBVA Compass Stadium). To me, it’s not a debate about do you do football or not. It’s a debate about if it’s the CFL can you design the stadium so that it grows for the CFL and shrinks back down to its current intimacy for soccer. That’s money, and it requires cash and we’re trying to figure out what that means.”

Leiweke’s comments would indicate an interest in the Argonauts.

But he is also being careful not to alienate TFC’s rabid fans.

It is a fan base that has been very possessive about the club’s stadium, and what effect a sharing arrangement would mean.

“We clearly understand and would never think of taking the stadium and ruining the intimacy of an MLS game by building it into a static setup for only CFL and then having huge amounts of gap between the fans and the pitch,” Leiweke said. “The only way to think about this is the stadium (end zone) is going to have to be able to move in and out. The pitch is going to have to be scheduled in a way where you can’t do football and MLS on the same weekend. There are ways to make it work. No decision has been made.”

The pitch is a sensitive issue with soccer fans who fear a football team might mean a switch to turf. Or, a grass field that is chewed up by football use.

“We’re going to continue to look at it,” said Leiweke. “But the commitment we’re going to make is we will not ruin the intimacy of the viewing and current setup of MLS and we will do it in a way where we’re not going to turn the field into dirt.”
     
     
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MLSE LOOKS AT BMO FIELD IMPROVEMENTS, CFL REFITTING
THE CANADIAN PRESS 9/5/2013

TORONTO -- The owners of Toronto FC say they are looking at whether BMO Field can be refitted to accommodate the CFL game.

Tim Leiweke, president and CEO of Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, said the project was currently at "the information-only stage" and was part of a larger plan to see how the lakefront stadium can be improved.

Leiweke said high school football championships have been played at the StubHub centre, home to the Los Angeles Galaxy. Football is also played at the home of the Houston Dynamo.

And BMO Field has played host to the Canadian rugby team "which is just as tough on a pitch as football if not more so," Leiweke said on a conference call Thursday. "And we find a way to make it work."

"To me it's not a debate of whether you do football or not," he added. "It's a debate about if it's the CFL, can you design the stadium so that it grows for the CFL and shrinks back down to its current intimacy for soccer?"

The Toronto Argonauts currently play at Rogers Centre, with many fans wishing for a more intimate setting. There has been speculation in the local media recently that MLSE is interested in purchasing the CFL team from current owner David Braley.

The Argos and Rogers Centre agreed on a new lease agreement prior to the 2013 season.

Leiweke says no decision has been made on changing the BMO Field set-up but there is talk underway to see what could be accomplished.

"We're going to continue to look at it but the commitment we're going to make is we will not ruin the intimacy of the viewing and the current set-up for MLS. And we will do it in a way where we're not going to turn the field into dirt," he said.

"And whether or not we can do that, it means we've got to spend more money. To the credit of ownership, what they've told us is 'Go look at it.' They haven't approved it, because we don't know what it is yet. And so we're still working on it."

Leiweke said MLSE won't even look at it unless it includes upgrades to the current MLS viewing experience. "And that means, yeah, we're looking at a roof."

MLSE is sending people to see other MLS stadiums, to see new designs and technology.

"This league is changing quickly," Leiweke said. "BMO worked when we first began eight, nine years ago when we started building it. But today we're going to have to change. And that means everything is in and under consideration. Nothing has been decided."

Originally the brainchild of the Canadian Soccer Association, the $62.5-million stadium was built as a way to bring the FIFA under-20 World Cup and an MLS team to Toronto.
     
     
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Soccer fans are absurdly territorial when it comes to BMO Field. Soccer and football fields are almost exactly the same... in essence, the bottom few rows of end seating would have to be made retractable to accommodate a full CFL-sized field, but other than that very little would have to be done. What is their issue with that?

That said, I would really love to see the Argos get their own facility given that BMO is not that great a stadium, but it could do as an interim home while something bigger and better is built.
     
     
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It's how they go about it and the logistics - retractable seating in the endzones I'm guessing is what they are envisioning.

At both ends there's large concrete stairs to be demolished.

I'm not even sure they can move the south end further back as there is a road running tight to the south of the stadium.

At the north there's the box office and group suites to be demolished as well - not to mention knocking the scoreboard down.

It'll be complicated.
     
     
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If MLSE buys Argonauts, it opens up a can of worms
Bill Lankhof, Toronto Sun September 05, 2013

If the CFL isn’t careful, it could end up as the entree at a Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment-sponsored headhunters’ convention.

MLSE is casting solicitous eyes toward the Toronto Argonauts. It is a tryst, like that of Prince Charles and Lady Diana, that could see a third suitor lurking outside the bedroom door.

The NFL.

A union with MLSE would bring the Argonauts benefits. MLSE has money, connections and power in the corporate community. The buzz word in business — and in pro sports — is synergy. So this could be really, really good.

It could also turn into corporate synergy run amok.

Depending on MLSE’s ultimate intentions, it could make the Argonauts the jewel in the crown of the CFL — or, alternatively, spell the demise of a league that has been part of the Canadian mosaic for more than a century.

There isn’t much that moves, and sweats, and has the potential for a financial return, that doesn’t pique interest at Toronto’s monolithic sports empire.

When a corporate mogul such as Tim Leiweke, president and CEO of MLSE, speaks seriously about what it might take to convert their soccer stadium at BMO Field for football, as he did Thursday in a conference call, it is a sign there is something afoot.

It is also a refreshing change from the usual denials, prevarications and stone-walling that often has marked MLSE’s culture.

It already owns the Maple Leafs, the Raptors and, actually, they’re not bad at building condos, either. So the object of their entrepreneurial infatuation doesn’t even have to show much mobility, which kind of explains the moribund nature of its soccer club, the TFC.

They don’t own the Blue Jays, but Rogers Communications does — and MLSE is related in a second-cousin kind of way. Toronto may be a big city, but the power brokers pushing the cocktail napkins on the sports scene are like the Family Compact.

When it comes to corporate inter-marriage, there are a lot of cousins grappling in the hay loft. The Argonauts have become a forgotten orphan in that scenario.

So, joining the family, hooking up with MLSE, would appear to be a dream match.

It would allow the Argonauts to keep up with the Joneses in a CFL that has not seen such an upsurge in fortunes since the early 1980s. New stadiums are popping up. TV ratings are solid. Next year, the league expands back to Ottawa.

And then, there is the black hole of Toronto. We used to have a baseball team that played in a football stadium. We fixed that. Now we have a football team that plays in a baseball stadium.

The Argos have talked of upgrading a latrine for geese that doubles as their practice facility at the U of T’s Erindale campus since before the invention of Pinball Clemons.

In spring, the fields are so flooded, players are ferried around various high school fields to practice. A couple of years ago, a fire ravaged the makeshift portables. The bad news, a cynic might note, is that the fire brigade got there in time to stop it from burning down the whole thing.

So consummation of any relationship with MLSE, regardless of the outcome, would be welcome, right?

After all, with all that MLSE money, a stadium could be built. Actually, they don’t even have to build one. They’ve BMO Field.

“This is a (facility) built with public money and yet we still have the Argonauts playing at the Rogers Centre. It doesn’t make sense,” said Rudge, of the MLS soccer pitch.

Then there’s MLSE’s practice facility for its soccer team at Downsview. There’s already a football field, too. The Argos admit they’ve spoken with MLSE about practising at those facilities.

Just one more layer of synergy.

So what’s not to like?

With MLSE’s monopoly on sports teams and with their TV connections, it all makes so much sense.

MLSE could be the Holy Grail for the CFL — and certainly for the Argonauts. Owned by David Braley, he’d prefer to be the ex-owner.

Preferably as soon as yesterday.

“Mr. Braley’s first priority has and always will be the best interest of the CFL and he won’t deviate from that. He will put it in the hands of someone who will ensure the health of the Argos,” said Rudge.

So MLSE’s interest comes at a prescient moment.

It looks too good to be true. And you know what people say about things that are too good to be true.

They usually are ... too good, that is.

As MLSE and the Argos skip down their yellow brick road, perhaps it is intuitive to peek behind the curtain. You know, before the Argos find themselves in Kansas ... cloned in New England, or Miami and a half-dozen other NFL cities.

Now, remember, we’re playing “what if ...” here. But even Rudge admits playing that game is all part of what makes the sports industry so intriguing.

“There are a lot of ‘what ifs’ and I guess this is one of them. It’s the fun part about sports. It may be rumours, but at least people are interested enough that we’re part of the water-cooler discussion,” said Rudge this week, after sources told the Sun that a senior executive of MLSE had toured the Argonauts’ spartan practice venue.

“I can remember not long ago when we’d have welcomed this kind of interest.”

The question is, in putting out that welcome mat, what are the motives of those stepping across it? There is nothing simplistic about an Argonauts-MLSE union that could have sinister ramifications.

Multiple sources have told the Sun that MLSE’s ultimate goal is to bring an NFL team to Toronto. And there could be no darker day than that for the CFL.

Don’t be fooled. The NFL in Toronto is the CFL’s death-knell. They cannot co-exist. It will kill the Argos. But it will also kill the Roughriders. The Blue Bombers will become dinosaurs, starved into history, because the corporate money that supports the league comes out of Toronto.

If the NFL is in Toronto, that pipeline closes. Leiweke, who took over as president and CEO of MLSE, came close to getting an NFL franchise for Los Angeles. As president and CEO of Anschutz Entertainment Group, he merged more than 50 divisions and companies in all aspects of the entertainment and sports business. He came to Toronto to make the Leafs and Raptors competitive, but more importantly, to build a sports legacy. The word on the street is that he believes he can accomplish that by bringing an NFL franchise north.

As much as this could be the gilding of the Argonauts franchise, it could just as well add up to being the entire league’s Venus flytrap.

The NFL has reservations about stepping over the border. They would prefer not to be perceived as the bad guys in any doomsday scenario for the CFL.

Leiweke, perhaps, does not share, or care, if he is perceived as the bad guy, particularly in western Canada where the CFL is a treasured commodity — at least not if it meant making him and Roger Goodell the toast of Toronto.

Corporations can’t own NFL franchises. But there are sugar daddies willing to be front men, willing to let MLSE run the show while they collect the money and smile for the photo ops.

So the question is, how would owning the Argonauts help MLSE land an NFL team?

There is no good answer. Sources have indicated there is a feeling within MLSE that proving they can do a good job running the Argos would endear them to the NFL. That seems like so much fairy dust. There doesn’t appear to be a connection, except that there are a lot of ways to kill something — including doing it with kindness. So it remains germane to speculate where MLSE might take the Argos — and the CFL with them.

This is about more than sports. It isn’t merely about wins and losses. It certainly isn’t about how it would affect grassroots Canadian football. It’s not even only about MLSE and the Argonauts.

It’s about money. Big business. The tentacles intertwine like an octopi orgy.

Just who owns what, and whom, is a matrix of confusion. Much of it comes back to television.

There is Rogers, which owns Sportsnet and the Blue Jays.

Bell owns TSN.

Rogers and Bell are partners in MLSE. Which makes a cynic note that MLSE actually already own the Argonauts. Why? Because TSN owns the league. It has 300 hours of coverage this year, including the broadcast of all 72 games live. So if TSN wants a Tuesday game at 4 p.m. in Saskatchewan, hey, they’ve got it. A night game in Edmonton to fill between the tennis and SportsCentre, even if it is minus-20? No problem.

Which does bring us back to this NFL angle. How happy would TSN be — owned by Bell, which owns MLSE, for which Leiweke works — if getting the NFL is his end game? The Argos may not make money, but as part of the CFL, they provide much of TSN’s programming. Suddenly, they’d have 300 hours to fill. And, face it, there’s only so many NASCAR races and bonspiels to fill that kind of hole.

It’s synergy in-breeding with synergy — and somebody is getting scrooged. But with cocktail napkins being pushed in a dozen directions, it’s difficult to figure out how, or why and what for ...

Take TFC. The Red Patch Boys, despite cheering for a lousy on-field product, have turned BMO field into a mini-soccer mecca. But, ominously, in a conference call Thursday, Leiweke refused to guarantee it would remain a soccer-only facility.

He declined to guarantee it would remain a grass field. There was talk of moving the end zones. Great for the Argos — not so great for soccer fans.

MLSE’s involvement makes sense because of its sports and TV connections. It could stabilize the CFL’s flagship franchise.

“It would be a natural fit. If it is going to happen,” said Rudge. “Whether they would pursue an NFL team, I can’t speak to. Speculation about an NFL franchise has been going on forever. I don’t think that will ever go away. How that would impact the CFL, the Argos, that’s fodder for the armchair critics.”

Argonauts fans would enjoy an intimate relationship with their team at BMO Field. But it would not come without a clash of synergies and angst. And, then, there is the elephant in the room — throw in those NFL aspirations, and it could become a doomsday scenario.

THE PLAYERS

Bell Media: Owns 37.5 % of MLSE, as well as CTV, special sports channel TSN, which has 300 hours of CFL programming, and 18% of the Montreal Canadiens.

Rogers Communication: Owns 37.5 % of MLSE, as well as the Blue Jays, the Rogers Centre and SportsNet.

MLSE: Owns the NHL Maple Leafs, the NBA Raptors, Major League Soccer TFC and the AHL Marlies. Owns Air Canada Centre, Maple Leaf Square, Lamport Stadium and Mastercard Centre. Also operates the City of Toronto-owned BMO Field and Ricoh Centre.

Tim Leiweke: Currently president and CEO of Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment (MLSE). Former President and CEO of Anschutz Entertainment Group (AEG), which owns the Los Angeles Kings, the Los Angeles Galaxy, part of the Los Angeles Lakers, the L.A. Live entertainment complex, and numerous sporting and entertainment venues around the world.

Toronto Argonauts: Founded Oct. 4, 1873. The oldest existing professional sports team in North America still using its original name.

David Braley: Owner of the Toronto Argonauts. A Hamilton native and a member of the Canadian senate, he also owns the CFL B.C. Lions, making him the only owner in North America to hold two professional football franchises.

National Football League: Most economically powerful sports league in the world. CBS, NBC, ESPN and ABC pay a combined $4.9 billion annually to broadcast NFL property. Considered the most popular sporting league in North America.
     
     
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^ Wow that's a long article... but have to laugh at how oblivious it is in some regards... The Argos the flagship franchise? That's pretty laughable, seeing as the Eskimos have been that since the 70s, with the Riders up with them for that title now. Or sponsorship... Clearly not aware that most of the Saskatchewan sponsors are resource/agricultural companies, crown corporations, or co-operatives based in Saskatchewan or other Western provinces. Scotiabank alone is no longer a league sponsor (still sponsors some teams) because Winnipeg has a major finance company based in Winnipeg as their stadium and now team sponsor.

Toronto is an important market for sure... but this article is definitely taking it to the extremes of illusions of self-importance. I wouldnt be surprised if the Riders brought in more revenue last year than the Argos even with their hosting the Grey Cup (though the Argos books aren't public, so it would be impossible to know).
     
     
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If MLSE buys Argonauts, it opens up a can of worms
Bill Lankhof, Toronto Sun September 05, 2013

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Multiple sources have told the Sun that MLSE’s ultimate goal is to bring an NFL team to Toronto. And there could be no darker day than that for the CFL.

Don’t be fooled. The NFL in Toronto is the CFL’s death-knell. They cannot co-exist. It will kill the Argos. But it will also kill the Roughriders. The Blue Bombers will become dinosaurs, starved into history, because the corporate money that supports the league comes out of Toronto.

If the NFL is in Toronto, that pipeline closes.

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Bell owns TSN.

Rogers and Bell are partners in MLSE. Which makes a cynic note that MLSE actually already own the Argonauts. Why? Because TSN owns the league. It has 300 hours of coverage this year, including the broadcast of all 72 games live. So if TSN wants a Tuesday game at 4 p.m. in Saskatchewan, hey, they’ve got it. A night game in Edmonton to fill between the tennis and SportsCentre, even if it is minus-20? No problem.

Which does bring us back to this NFL angle. How happy would TSN be — owned by Bell, which owns MLSE, for which Leiweke works — if getting the NFL is his end game? The Argos may not make money, but as part of the CFL, they provide much of TSN’s programming. Suddenly, they’d have 300 hours to fill. And, face it, there’s only so many NASCAR races and bonspiels to fill that kind of hole.
I don't mind Lankhof's articles but this "death-knell" thing is pure BS. Would an NFL team change the sporting dynamic in Toronto, and other places in Canada? Sure. But kill the league? No way. There's a chance it could doom the Argos, but even then it's not a surety in my opinion.

While the TV money has increased, the CFL is still very much a gate-driven league, with a good base of local sponsorship and a solid core of fans that it can grow. Some CFL fans do not watch the NFL. Many of us appreciate both the NFL and the CFL - even given a Canadian team and the opportunity to attend games, we would most likely continue to enjoy the NFL the way we always have, on TV. Football fans that prefer the NFL already ignore the CFL.

There are plenty of national sponsors to go around.

There is still a viewship for TSN too.

Western markets are strong. Eastern markets have lots of work to do, but they don't rely on Toronto and their success/failure depends on their own management and ability to capture their local markets. If the Argos failed it would be a shame, but on its own it would do little to dampen fan support in Hamilton, Ottawa, or Montreal.

The worry here is very overblown.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2013, 9:45 PM
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Soccer fans are absurdly territorial when it comes to BMO Field. Soccer and football fields are almost exactly the same... in essence, the bottom few rows of end seating would have to be made retractable to accommodate a full CFL-sized field, but other than that very little would have to be done. What is their issue with that?

That said, I would really love to see the Argos get their own facility given that BMO is not that great a stadium, but it could do as an interim home while something bigger and better is built.
a soccer field is 100 yds long. a canadian football field is 150 yards long. have you seen how many yards are behind bmo fields endlines? 5 at most. you think removing a couple rows of seats would make up for the extra 40 yards? not a chance. both endzone stands would have to be demolished and the road in behind the south stand closed while possibly running out of room at the north stand because of the food building standing in the way

lets not even get started on if they switched back to turf. or if they actually think they can maintain a grass pitch for football and soccer
     
     
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