Regina | New Mosaic Stadium

[Festivus]

Yeah parking is actually going to be worse at this new stadium than the current one it seems. They could always consider a parkade, but I doubt that will happen.

[Baker58]

Personally, I think we are spoiled with the amount of parking that we have now. If you go to any other stadium anywhere in the country you take public transit or park and walk a much further distance. There is more than enough parking available.

[one_brick_at_a_time]

Originally Posted by Festivus

Yeah parking is actually going to be worse at this new stadium than the current one it seems. They could always consider a parkade, but I doubt that will happen.

People need to learn to get used to walking. Regina is way to dependant on cars and people are slow to learn that even a 30 minute walk is usual these days in places like Toronto when busy. A 15 - 20 minute walk from nearby Cathedral, downtown, or North Central is not the end of the world. You just need to plan ahead.

A parkade would be very useful tho, but traffic jams after and before games would still be inevitable.

[Le-TanK-]

When do they show new renderings of the stadium?

[Stormer]

I agree that parking will be pretty decent especially until the Mosaic lands are developed. In Winnipeg they are taking riverboats to IGF. I wonder who owns the big empty whole block across Elphinstone from the Armoury, North of the Lawson and what the plan is for that.

I like the alignment of the main east exit with 10th Ave - purple circle. Also I wonder why the area circled in red is not in the parking plan? Secret Evraz Place project perhaps?

[micheal]

Originally Posted by Stormer

I agree that parking will be pretty decent especially until the Mosaic lands are developed. In Winnipeg they are taking riverboats to IGF. I wonder who owns the big empty whole block across Elphinstone from the Armoury, North of the Lawson and what the plan is for that.

I like the alignment of the main east exit with 10th Ave - purple circle. Also I wonder why the area circled in red is not in the parking plan? Secret Evraz Place project perhaps?

i think its owned by the DND.

[Stormer]

Originally Posted by Stormer

It sounds like a bit more info came out at the City's open house last night. Demo of 3 buildings and building a new cell tower starts right after the Ex. They released the site parking and road plan. This is the largest version I could find. Obviously there will also be huge amount of parking across Elphinstone, especially until the Mosaic site is redeveloped. I am a little concerned about ingress and egress as this is a nightmare when 6000 people are at the Brandt Centre. I am not sure how it will work when there are 33,000. I would estimate there will only be onsite parking for about 12,000 in these green areas

Apparently there are 4000 parking spaces on site according to CTV. This would be about what I said, room for 12,000 at an average of 3 fans per car.

[Beadyeyez]

Originally Posted by Nathan

^ That would definitely be undersized. We are going to be stuck with this next stadium for 40 yrs or so. The CFL is definitely on an upswing, and Saskatchewan's diverse resources (as well as other sectors that are improving) should keep Saskatchewan on a growth trend for a while. 40k is way undersized for a max capacity, especially considering the 2 previous Grey Cups were 55k and 50k, with this one 45k, which is too low as it is. Yes, we will surely have some down seasons (which is why I don't want 45-50k permanent), but I think building so it can never go up to that point would be a mistake we will regret many times over.

This is so true. I don't know why they feel that Grey Cup expansion to 40k - 45k capacity is enough. With the CFL making record money through TV deals and growing gate revenue, I don't think a new stadium with those kind of limits is a good idea. We had 55k at the Grey Cup in '95...when the league was almost at its rock bottom. We should be striking when the iron is hot and taking advantage of the opportunity we have. I think minnimum capacity should be 35k with expansion to 50-52k for Grey Cup or concerts.

I think the CFL will catch steam in the East again once the new stadium is finished in Hamilton and when Ottawa comes back. The Argos NEED to leave the Skydome and push for a 25k stadium of their own. Once the supply comes down the demand might go up.

It will be a great time in this city once the work on our new stadium becomes evident and people can watch it rise out of the ground. It will be surreal to have a brand new home for our Riders after sooo many years at Taylor Field. I just hope it's done right!!

[rypinion]

Originally Posted by Beadyeyez

With the CFL making record money through TV deals and growing gate revenue

Actually, gate numbers this year (revenue might be different) hasn't been great outside of Regina and Winnipeg. Here's the spreadsheet I've been using to keep track:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...QMFNtZnZwOTZScDI5eHVFbVVQSFE&usp=sharing

Edmonton is good too, but not compared to normal I believe.

[one_brick_at_a_time]

Originally Posted by rypinion

Actually, gate numbers this year (revenue might be different) hasn't been great outside of Regina and Winnipeg. Here's the spreadsheet I've been using to keep track:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...QMFNtZnZwOTZScDI5eHVFbVVQSFE&usp=sharing

Edmonton is good too, but not compared to normal I believe.

Go Riders! Look at us on top of sales. That is amazing.

[Beadyeyez]

Originally Posted by rypinion

Actually, gate numbers this year (revenue might be different) hasn't been great outside of Regina and Winnipeg. Here's the spreadsheet I've been using to keep track:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...QMFNtZnZwOTZScDI5eHVFbVVQSFE&usp=sharing

Edmonton is good too, but not compared to normal I believe.

Guelph's stadium is definately bringing down Hamilton's gate sales. I think their new stadium...as poor as it is IMO....will draw curiosity ticket sales for a year or two, and hopefully most will keep attending. If the CFL keeps scheduling Tuesday and Thursday games in Toronto...they are going to reap what they sow. Next year Ottawa will add to the gate sales as a new revenue stream(for how long is anybodys guess). Edmonton had some poor weather for at least one of their home games. Montreal is staying steady but also reflecting the product on field. I think this year is a minor hic-cup in some markets due to the circumstances.

[Dillweed]

Originally Posted by Beadyeyez

Guelph's stadium is definately bringing down Hamilton's gate sales. I think their new stadium...as poor as it is IMO....will draw curiosity ticket sales for a year or two, and hopefully most will keep attending. If the CFL keeps scheduling Tuesday and Thursday games in Toronto...they are going to reap what they sow. Next year Ottawa will add to the gate sales as a new revenue stream(for how long is anybodys guess). Edmonton had some poor weather for at least one of their home games. Montreal is staying steady but also reflecting the product on field. I think this year is a minor hic-cup in some markets due to the circumstances.

I'm no fan of the new stadium in Hamilton, I think they could have done a lot better. Something with at a least a partial roof might have been in order. After all it is Hamilton not Arizona. When you dig a little under the surface with what this stadium is offering the fan experience in terms of premium seats, box suites etc. It doesn't look like all gloom and doom.

From the video I've seen the box suites look superior to me to what IGF Field is offering. And that's not a knock against IGF Field as a whole I think it looks like a fine stadium. Hamilton's stadium can also be easily expanded over time.

As I pointed out in an earlier post fan attendance in the NFL has been steadily declining as well. Thats less problematic for both the NFL & the CFL than some might think. Since the majority of revenue the teams in these leagues makes comes from broadcast revenue. It's ratings that count more than anything in this day and age.

The figure I have heard in the NFL is that each team receives just over $100 million in revenue from the broadcast rights for the games. And starting next year the new TV contract begins and each team in the CFL will be making almost the equivalent in revenue from TSN for what the salary cap is for each team.

So basically what the teams are able to make from the gate, concessions etc. will be gravy for them. So even Ottawa when they come into the league next year will probably be profitable.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by Dillweed

I'm no fan of the new stadium in Hamilton, I think they could have done a lot better. Something with at a least a partial roof might have been in order. After all it is Hamilton not Arizona. When you dig a little under the surface with what this stadium is offering the fan experience in terms of premium seats, box suites etc. It doesn't look like all gloom and doom.

From the video I've seen the box suites look superior to me to what IGF Field is offering. And that's not a knock against IGF Field as a whole I think it looks like a fine stadium. Hamilton's stadium can also be easily expanded over time.

As I pointed out in an earlier post fan attendance in the NFL has been steadily declining as well. Thats less problematic for both the NFL & the CFL than some might think. Since the majority of revenue the teams in these leagues makes comes from broadcast revenue. It's ratings that count more than anything in this day and age.

The figure I have heard in the NFL is that each team receives just over $100 million in revenue from the broadcast rights for the games. And starting next year the new TV contract begins and each team in the CFL will be making almost the equivalent in revenue from TSN for what the salary cap is for each team.

So basically what the teams are able to make from the gate, concessions etc. will be gravy for them. So even Ottawa when they come into the league next year will probably be profitable.

I think even with the new deal, the TV revenues will only make up about 25% of revenue for most teams. For the Riders, probably somewhere around 10%. The CFL, although on firmer ground, is still much more reliant on gate revenues than the NFL.

[Shinook]

So now that the Sasatchewan economy is expected to go down the shitter by being cut in half, I'm wondering if the province will begin to tighten it's limited purse strings on this project. Would only make sense.

[Stormer]

Originally Posted by Shinook

So now that the Sasatchewan economy is expected to go down the shitter by being cut in half, I'm wondering if the province will begin to tighten it's limited purse strings on this project. Would only make sense.

That's pretty funny. Even if the entire potash industry completely evaporated, Saskatchewan would still have a higher GDP per person than Manitoba. Further, if the Canpotex cartel folded, there could be substantially more potash produced in Saskatchewan than there is now, which would actually increase GDP, while decreasing the profitability of the industry. This might also decrease royalties, which would have to be adjusted to take into account the new pricing model.

Edit: I just read the story that I assume Shinook was referring to that said SK's projected GROWTH in GDP for the year could be halved. Still growing though.

[thefourthtower]

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[circle33]

Hmmm, this potash thing just broke today and could play out in a number of ways. It's a little early to be declaring it "game over" for Saskatchewan. Besides, potash has nothing to do with our prosperity rather it's the direct result of personable premier Brad Wall and the business friendly policies of his Sask Party government. Everyone knows that.

[Festivus]

Bad news, but it's only growth being cut in half (and only by some predictions), not the entire economy being cut in half. SK would still be growing faster than MB or eastern provinces.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by Shinook

So now that the Sasatchewan economy is expected to go down the shitter by being cut in half, I'm wondering if the province will begin to tighten it's limited purse strings on this project. Would only make sense.

As others have said, it's the growth that is being cut, not the entire economy... but in any case, if Manitoba can fund a stadium while in deficit, I'm sure Saskatchewan can do the same.

[Chadillaccc]

hahahahaha ohhh Shinook, my ol' buddy

The growth in Sask and AB these last few years have been incredible, it's not like no one ever expected it to end. Regardless, I'm sure Sask will pick up again even if it does decline in the short term, the resources there are far too valuable to our planet. I doubt this hickup will have an effect on the budget of a stadium which is already late in the design process, can't wait to see this $280 million beauty!