Regina Construction II

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by blacktrojan3921

How in the hell it is undersized? It's about the average seating capacity for a CFL stadium.

Undersized for expansion capacity; the 33-35k figure for regular seating is definitely the sweet spot at present.

The first Grey Cup here was 55k, the second 50k, this one around 45k. Meanwhile the CFL is much more popular than it was in the low period of the 90s/early 2000s. If we box ourselves in with a max capacity of 42k, I'm a little worried we'll get into the same position we are in with the Brandt Centre. It fulfills its main purpose (housing the Pats), but is too small for large concerts (those all go to Saskatoon basically), the Brier is a rarity to get now due to our only being able to seat 8k or so, and we couldn't host any Team Canada games in the world juniors.

With the new stadium, we could get into a situation where the time in the rotation for Grey Cups gets longer and longer due to them favouring stadiums that hold 50k+ (Vancouver, Edmonton, Toronto, Montreal, Calgary (depending on what they do with a new stadium)) more and more.

And if Saskatchewan continues to grow as it is, and the CFL continues to improve, due to the enclosed nature of the stadium, there is no possibility whatsoever to expand beyond 42k without fully building a new stadium, which won't happen for another 50+ years given the trouble it has been to get this one off the ground.

The idea of trying to engineer scarcity to increase demand also worries me because eventually, it could backfire. Why, when the Riders are so much more popular now than in the 90s are we hosting a Grey Cup with 10k less seats than the first time? Ticket prices for a Grey Cup in Regina are also way above the normal prices elsewhere (with the possible exception of the 100th last year in Toronto). I was at Calgary's and Edmonton's in '09 and '10, and they definitely were't charging what we are charging this year. We're cutting out whole swaths of fans, and building a stadium that can only hold 42k for a Grey Cup is going to make it even worse.

I just think it's short-sighted thinking. We are better off building a bit of excess capacity now so that there is no way we get into a situation where it doesn't fulfill its purpose completely.

[UrbanClimate]

CSP tower:




GoR tower:






Mosaic tower:

[Dougler306]

Great photo update!! Just to think GoR still has like 4 floors to go or so to as well and CSP has one believe/the roof. Plus i just love the photo of all three towers and the very last one, it shows our density well. Should upload those to the canadian photo thread!! Nice work Urbanclimate

[Baker58]

Originally Posted by Dougler306

Great photo update!! Just to think GoR still has like 4 floors to go or so to as well and CSP has one believe/the roof. Plus i just love the photo of all three towers and the very last one, it shows our density well. Should upload those to the canadian photo thread!! Nice work Urbanclimate

GoR actually has 7 floors to go. The first 4 are parking and then I believe it is 11 floors of condos.

Edit, nvm I am wrong. It is only 12 total.

[jw6969]

Minus 45 with the windchill. Those construction workers have to work up there.

[SkydivePilot]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Undersized for expansion capacity; the 33-35k figure for regular seating is definitely the sweet spot at present.

The first Grey Cup here was 55k, the second 50k, this one around 45k. Meanwhile the CFL is much more popular than it was in the low period of the 90s/early 2000s. If we box ourselves in with a max capacity of 42k, I'm a little worried we'll get into the same position we are in with the Brandt Centre. It fulfills its main purpose (housing the Pats), but is too small for large concerts (those all go to Saskatoon basically), the Brier is a rarity to get now due to our only being able to seat 8k or so, and we couldn't host any Team Canada games in the world juniors.

With the new stadium, we could get into a situation where the time in the rotation for Grey Cups gets longer and longer due to them favouring stadiums that hold 50k+ (Vancouver, Edmonton, Toronto, Montreal, Calgary (depending on what they do with a new stadium)) more and more.

And if Saskatchewan continues to grow as it is, and the CFL continues to improve, due to the enclosed nature of the stadium, there is no possibility whatsoever to expand beyond 42k without fully building a new stadium, which won't happen for another 50+ years given the trouble it has been to get this one off the ground.

The idea of trying to engineer scarcity to increase demand also worries me because eventually, it could backfire. Why, when the Riders are so much more popular now than in the 90s are we hosting a Grey Cup with 10k less seats than the first time? Ticket prices for a Grey Cup in Regina are also way above the normal prices elsewhere (with the possible exception of the 100th last year in Toronto). I was at Calgary's and Edmonton's in '09 and '10, and they definitely were't charging what we are charging this year. We're cutting out whole swaths of fans, and building a stadium that can only hold 42k for a Grey Cup is going to make it even worse.

I just think it's short-sighted thinking. We are better off building a bit of excess capacity now so that there is no way we get into a situation where it doesn't fulfill its purpose completely.

Hear, hear: Extremely well said!!! You took the words right out of my mouth!

UrbanClimate: Amazing shots!!!

[TechnicalRecession]

Originally Posted by Dougler306

Great photo update!! Just to think GoR still has like 4 floors to go or so to as well and CSP has one believe/the roof. Plus i just love the photo of all three towers and the very last one, it shows our density well. Should upload those to the canadian photo thread!! Nice work Urbanclimate

I beleive GoR has a height of 13, so certainly more than four floors left, CSP one more full floor plus the smaller middle part of another floor.

[jw6969]

GOR has the smaller crane but taller building and CSP has a bigger crane but smaller building. LOL.

[wacko]

I also agree with Nathan. I am concerned that a maximum expanded capacity of 42,000 for the new stadium is limiting ourselves a bit for Grey Cups. Ideally, I would have liked to see that number at 45,000.

A few days ago I wrote out a longer post with some thoughts on the preliminary proposed stadium design, however my account timed out and my post got eaten. Alas, such is life.

[SkydivePilot]

Originally Posted by wacko

I also agree with Nathan. I am concerned that a maximum expanded capacity of 42,000 for the new stadium is limiting ourselves a bit for Grey Cups. Ideally, I would have liked to see that number at 45,000.

A few days ago I wrote out a longer post with some thoughts on the preliminary proposed stadium design, however my account timed out and my post got eaten. Alas, such is life.

Oh, for Grey Cup games, they'll address that capacity-related issue(?) appropriately for they know how crazy we are for football in Riderville.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

I got into the 2003 Grey Cup for free. The event doesn't need to be as exclusive as the Super Bowl but they should definitely not have to give tickets away for it. I think 45,000 is fine for Saskatchewan. We don't have the hotels to even support that amount of fans, and all the associated personnel. It was nuts in 1995 trying to find places for people. You also have to remember that this stadium is going to be partially enclosed. It's not easy to make space for more than 20,000 extra seats and not have the place look and feel oversized when the Cup isn't there. I guarantee the new stadium with room to expand to 45k will attract Grey Cups more often than we are getting them now and it will be a spectacularly intimate experience. For those who didn't read the concept design, they are invisioning most of the extra seating going on the side lines on the concourse. That is much better than a bunch of end zone seats.

Endzone seats for a Grey Cup fill a market though. Sideline seats although better, are being sold for $350 here in Regina... What family is going to take their kids/young teens to a first Grey Cup at that price? I know I'd have never been allowed to go when I was younger if it was going to cost that much. Having endzone seats at a cheaper price allows you to at least attempt to catch all segments of fans.

And we probably have double the hotel rooms we had in 1995... and probably a fair amount more than 2003 as well. Still not really enough, but definitely better off than we used to be. We will never be able to expand further than 42k though if we build a rounded, partially covered stadium like they plan. Even if the hotel situation improves and Regina gains 100k people in the next 20 years, we'd be locked at 42k, and still a good 3 decades out from even being allowed to publicly consider another stadium.

[Baker58]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Endzone seats for a Grey Cup fill a market though. Sideline seats although better, are being sold for $350 here in Regina... What family is going to take their kids/young teens to a first Grey Cup at that price? I know I'd have never been allowed to go when I was younger if it was going to cost that much. Having endzone seats at a cheaper price allows you to at least attempt to catch all segments of fans.

And we probably have double the hotel rooms we had in 1995... and probably a fair amount more than 2003 as well. Still not really enough, but definitely better off than we used to be. We will never be able to expand further than 42k though if we build a rounded, partially covered stadium like they plan. Even if the hotel situation improves and Regina gains 100k people in the next 20 years, we'd be locked at 42k, and still a good 3 decades out from even being allowed to publicly consider another stadium.

I can't remember the article and have been trying to find it but I remember reading an article from Patel when he was here answering questions about the design.

He was asked about the number and said something about 42k is the amount of seats that could be permanently fixed to the stadium but the stadium design (if they used the design his firm has been working on) is expandable beyond that.

[cutterp]

Take it to the stadium thread boys. Lets keep this thread free of the stadium drivel.

[Baker58]

Originally Posted by cutterp

Take it to the stadium thread boys. Lets keep this thread free of the stadium drivel.

Didn't realize that a 370 million dollar construction project in Regina didn't belong in the Regina Construction thread. My bad.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by cutterp

Take it to the stadium thread boys. Lets keep this thread free of the stadium drivel.

Fair point to move it to the stadium thread, but I wouldn't call the discussion drivel; the points being discussed are not really childish or trivial.

[Baker58]

Originally Posted by djforsberg

The construction cost will be $278 million.

That's what I get for not proofreading. Damn fat fingers.

[Dan0myte]

The second location of Five Guys Burgers is now open at 2531 Quance Street.

[Stormer]

Looks like Lululemon is fully stocked and ready to open. The signs are lit.

[one_brick_at_a_time]

Can anyone go and take some pics of the lululemon once it is open? I'd love to see how that corner will look being an active store front again!

Also, I really hope out of the new downtown buildings being built that we might get some tall hotels too.

[dsmmace]

Screw the pics of the building, take pictures of the girls please.