Calgary Federal Politics

[shreddog]

And then Harvery says WTF!?!?!?!

When Lagace asked whether Trudeau believed Canada was better off “when there are more Quebecers in charge than Albertans,” Trudeau replied in the affirmative.

“I’m a Liberal, so of course I think so, yes. Certainly when we look at the great prime ministers of the 20th century, those that really stood the test of time, they were MPs from Quebec ... This country — Canada — it belongs to us.”

Out of context? Really?

[PoscStudent]

I believe he mentioned that his father, Mulroney and Chretien were the best Prime Ministers.

[The Chemist]

And the Liberals wonder why they can't win seats in Alberta. Good grief.

[fusili]

Originally Posted by PoscStudent

Yes, I just saw another poll on twitter that was conducted on the 20 and 21 that has the NDP at 12%, the Greens at 17%, the Liberals at 32% and the Conservatives 37%.

If the poll is to believed Joan Cockatt should win after the Liberals screw ups this week.

Funny how that poll was conducted by Bruce Cameron from Return on Insight. Bruce Cameron is working on Harvey Locke's Campaign. Bruce Cameron also worked on Barb Higgins campaign. Remember when Nenshi was at 16% a week before the election in one poll, and Barb Higgins kept saying it's a two-horse race?

Donn Lovett is also the campaign manager for both Barb Higgins and Harvey Locke. Same tired old strategy to discredit the strongly rising 3rd candidate as un-electable. It doesn't work. Fear doesn't win elections. Inspiring people does.

[RyLucky]

Here's the main reason I am starting to lean towards Chris Turner:

If he is elected, not only will it send a message that the candidates from all parties need to work to win Calgary, but I also believe that he will have a disproportionately high amount of media and speaking time as oppose to the other candidates. He's a smart guy, seems reasonable, and he could get Calgary Centre a lot of attention. His environmental philosophy is similar to mine, and quite different (and I think far more reasonable) that Elizabeth May's, and as 1/2 of his party he should have a sizable influence.

Crockett - she is the wrong kind of influence to add to the CPC. Had they chose someone more moderate and amiable, I would have considered voting CPC.

Locke - On paper, he's great. But the Liberal base is all from Eastern Canada (which I realize his election would help), and I don't think he'll amount to much more than a backbencher. I don't see eye to eye with all of his policies, which perhaps is because they seem a little ambiguous and reactionary.

Anyway, seeing as how the election is Monday, I thought I'd share my final thoughts. Get out and vote!

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by fusili

Funny how that poll was conducted by Bruce Cameron from Return on Insight. Bruce Cameron is working on Harvey Locke's Campaign. Bruce Cameron also worked on Barb Higgins campaign. Remember when Nenshi was at 16% a week before the election in one poll, and Barb Higgins kept saying it's a two-horse race?

Donn Lovett is also the campaign manager for both Barb Higgins and Harvey Locke. Same tired old strategy to discredit the strongly rising 3rd candidate as un-electable. It doesn't work. Fear doesn't win elections. Inspiring people does.

Not really. The history of the Mayoral polls were as such:

September 19: Leger
McIver 43%
Higgins 28%
Nenshi 8%
everyone else less than 3%

October 5th: ROI (Bruce Cameron)
McIver 31%.
Higgins 28%
Nenshi 16%
17% undecided.

October 11th: Ipsos Ried
Higgins - 37%
McIver - 34%
Nenshi - 21%
19% undecided

October 14: Leger
McIver - 33.3%
Nenshi - 30.1%
Higgins - 29.6%
All amongst decided voters

October 18: Election
Nenshi - 39.6%
McIver - 31.7%
Higgins - 25.8%


It's not accurate to say Cameron's mayoral polls were false and therefore these ones must be too. On October 5th, Higgins and McIver were a statistical tie, with Nenshi more than 10 points back. However, the poll did fall right in line with the Nenshi trend from 3%-8%-16%-21%-30%-39% all within a short time span. Whether he worked for Higgins or not, his poll showed the early trend, so one can't simply assume because of some supposed association with Locke his poll isn't valid.

Hey, I love Turner too, but I think it's time to be realistic. The poll Evan Solomon quoted on Power and Politics (even though the source is uknown) shows a similar split. This is not the 2010 mayoral race.

I would like to see one more poll though.

[MalcolmTucker]

Originally Posted by PoscStudent

Yes, I just saw another poll on twitter that was conducted on the 20 and 21 that has the NDP at 12%, the Greens at 17%, the Liberals at 32% and the Conservatives 37%.

If the poll is to believed Joan Cockatt should win after the Liberals screw ups this week.

And it is a real human caller poll too, weighted for demographics and whatnot!

http://return-on-insight.com/wp-content/...Media-Release-YYC-Centre-poll-Nov-22.pdf

I wouldn't compare this poll to the others and form a trend. I would say the only thing that can be gathered from this poll and the others is we know who is in first, second and third place. They can't all be wrong on that. Vote accordingly.

[Full Mountain]

The 1CalgaryCentre voting results are in

http://www.1calgarycentre.com/the-results/

Looks like its Turner, Locke, Meades, Crockatt in order

Note: this shouldn't be considered a poll, as the respondents self selected

[Radley77]

Yeah, I also view Chris Turner's point of view on energy development very different than Elizabeth May. I think Turner would have had a better shot at winning the election as an independent not tied to any other leader or policies. I think this is a key point of differentiation from the Nenshi campaign. Nenshi presented a lot of his ideas on the way forward, so when it came to election day it was easy for a lot of people to buy in to the idea that Nenshi would result in better agent for change. It's harder when you have a bunch of decent candidates and then start having to choose which candidate and then factoring in the party policies. Elizabeth May can be damn ignorant at times with respect to the oilsands debate.

[PoscStudent]

Originally Posted by fusili

Funny how that poll was conducted by Bruce Cameron from Return on Insight. Bruce Cameron is working on Harvey Locke's Campaign. Bruce Cameron also worked on Barb Higgins campaign. Remember when Nenshi was at 16% a week before the election in one poll, and Barb Higgins kept saying it's a two-horse race?

Donn Lovett is also the campaign manager for both Barb Higgins and Harvey Locke. Same tired old strategy to discredit the strongly rising 3rd candidate as un-electable. It doesn't work. Fear doesn't win elections. Inspiring people does.

So you think someone would compromise their business and their reputation just to get a friend elected?

[PoscStudent]

Originally Posted by RyLucky

Here's the main reason I am starting to lean towards Chris Turner:

If he is elected, not only will it send a message that the candidates from all parties need to work to win Calgary, but I also believe that he will have a disproportionately high amount of media and speaking time as oppose to the other candidates. He's a smart guy, seems reasonable, and he could get Calgary Centre a lot of attention. His environmental philosophy is similar to mine, and quite different (and I think far more reasonable) that Elizabeth May's, and as 1/2 of his party he should have a sizable influence.

Crockett - she is the wrong kind of influence to add to the CPC. Had they chose someone more moderate and amiable, I would have considered voting CPC.

Locke - On paper, he's great. But the Liberal base is all from Eastern Canada (which I realize his election would help), and I don't think he'll amount to much more than a backbencher. I don't see eye to eye with all of his policies, which perhaps is because they seem a little ambiguous and reactionary.

Anyway, seeing as how the election is Monday, I thought I'd share my final thoughts. Get out and vote!

Elizabeth May doesn't even get to speak during Question Period every week, so neither will Chris Turner. He may be able to ask a question every couple of weeks, he also won't be able to join committees. The media doesn't even include the Greens when they speak to MPs from the three major parties.

[fusili]

Originally Posted by PoscStudent

Elizabeth May doesn't even get to speak during Question Period every week, so neither will Chris Turner. He may be able to ask a question every couple of weeks, he also won't be able to join committees. The media doesn't even include the Greens when they speak to MPs from the three major parties.

Elizabeth May has spoken more than any single MP in Parliament during Question Period, including Stephan Harper (this is from official records of Parliament). She was elected the "Parliamentarian of the year" by members of Parliament themselves this week.

I also disagree with May's take on certain issues, but I respect her commitment to the fundamentals of democracy and Parliament.

[Elbownian]

Originally Posted by PoscStudent

Elizabeth May doesn't even get to speak during Question Period every week, so neither will Chris Turner. He may be able to ask a question every couple of weeks, he also won't be able to join committees. The media doesn't even include the Greens when they speak to MPs from the three major parties.

Yet May claims she's spoken more than any other MP since her election, and I see her in the media fairly regularly. Besides which, what guarantee do we have that a Liberal or NDP backbencher would have any more opportunity to speak?

[fusili]

Originally Posted by PoscStudent

Elizabeth May doesn't even get to speak during Question Period every week, so neither will Chris Turner. He may be able to ask a question every couple of weeks, he also won't be able to join committees. The media doesn't even include the Greens when they speak to MPs from the three major parties.

Just a general question- from your Avatar name, I assume you are a Political Science Student. Is that right? The reason I ask is that I also did my undergrad in Political Science, but with more of a focus on International Relations, Comparative Politics and Foreign Policy.

If you are at UofC, do you mind me asking what you think of the program?

[Cage]

Originally Posted by Radley77

I think Turner would have had a better shot at winning the election as an independent not tied to any other leader or policies.

Independants don't get anything in HoC. If they get to survive an election (exclude independants who are thrown out of their caucus) its usually due to a very usual local riding situation. Nenshi could run as an independant in Calgary Centre and win on name recognition.

If Turner wants into politics, he should consider running for Councillor in the next election (remember this is the last year when Alderman will be used as the job descriptor).

Let's crowd source Turners next gig - City of Calgary Councillor.

Questions
(1) What wards work best to Turner's strengths?

(2) What wards are likely to have vacancies?

(3) What wards would Turner most likely want to represent?

(2) What current Alderman would SSPers most likely see unseated by Turner?

[PoscStudent]

Originally Posted by Elbownian

Yet May claims she's spoken more than any other MP since her election, and I see her in the media fairly regularly. Besides which, what guarantee do we have that a Liberal or NDP backbencher would have any more opportunity to speak?

The Green Party aren't an official party so they have limited speaking time. The Liberals and NDP get time to speak everyday in QP, not all of their MPs get to speak though obviously.

If you watch political shows the Green Party do not get air time during MP panels, May sometimes is included during environmental stuff. Though many don't care about that I would think.

[PoscStudent]

Originally Posted by fusili

Just a general question- from your Avatar name, I assume you are a Political Science Student. Is that right? The reason I ask is that I also did my undergrad in Political Science, but with more of a focus on International Relations, Comparative Politics and Foreign Policy.

If you are at UofC, do you mind me asking what you think of the program?

I've focused on Canadian politics.

I'm not in Calgary, just a political geek watching with interest from afar.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by Cage

Questions
(1) What wards work best to Turner's strengths?

(2) What wards are likely to have vacancies?

(3) What wards would Turner most likely want to represent?

(4) What current Alderman would SSPers most likely see unseated by Turner?

Answers:

(1) My viewpoint is inner city wards - 7, 8, 9. Alternates are wards where the LRT/BRT is early stages of maturit - 6 (there will be a lot of work over the next 5 years to get WLRT ridership to capacity, thisn includes stick handling complaints from people who preferred previous bus network, PnR users, and road users who might need to be inconvenienced and persuaded onto LRT), 9 and 12 (SELRT and SETWAY), 7 and 4 (NCLRT and busy BRT line).

(2) Hodges and Lowe are ready for retirement. Chabot has repeatedly been on lists of wanting to do other jobs (like mayor). Colley-Urquhart has tried to get into other things.

(3) Don't know the man, perhaps others could provide a better viewpoint.

(4) I would like Turner to give the boots to Farrell, Pootmans, or Pincott.

That said if Turner got the right desire and platform to represent ward 2 (lowe), I would vote for him and volunteer extensively on his team. I just don't know if Turner wants to represent a suburb riding, I think he is an urbanist at heart.

[Bigtime]

Pretty sure Turner wouldn't "give the boot to Farrell", if anything it would be a passing of the torch if he chose to run in her ward.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by fusili

Elizabeth May has spoken more than any single MP in Parliament during Question Period, including Stephan Harper.

Inaccurate comparison due to the following factors:
- All other parties divide questions according to shadow cabinet critic affiliations.
- All other parties have representation in committees. May is not on any committees and therefore must ask all questions at QP.
- The conservatives delegate reponses to questions to cabinet ministers and ministers of state.
- Significant members of the NDP have been engaged in leadership campaign for much of the period in question. Therefore they were not at QP for muich of the time but rather on the leadership campaign.