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As such, I doubt that we will see a new events centre in the city until 2018 at the very earliest. By that time, the cost of the centre will likely have risen to at least $120M!!
A couple of years ago, it was a proposed project of about $80M. Today, it's a $100M project. 2018 will most likely be in the range of $150M. Almost double what the original project was called for.

As a middle aged resident guy, who has been living in the downtown area all of his walking days on earth, I suddenly don't feel so good. Will I ever see this downtown events centre come to true life before I'm put in a box six feet under?

I suppose never say never. I asked myself the same question many years ago about a casino in Moncton. I guess there's still some hope.

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I heard a report in a radio newscast yesterday saying city officials would also consider other locations for an events centre for funding reasons. So that leads me to believe that if Moncton is ever able to fund this project in the future it could be built outside of the downtown core. Perhaps this would allow it to conform to some other regulations for other types of funding? If so that would really defeat the purpose of why Moncton needs this facility!
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The next federal election will be sometime in 2015. So, with possible campaigning in late 2014/early 2015, you might see the Feds tune on funding these sorts of projects change a bit, particularly if it's in an area which hasn't been too fond of Conservatives in recent elections. If that's the case, you may be promised money in 2014/2015, and by the time it will be built would be by 2019/2020 if they come through on their promise.

If Moncton is going to do this right the Arena has to be built Downtown. If it's built anywhere else it is just going to fracture the centre of the city, and confirm sprawl more and more. I don't see it viable to get less money to build an insufficient building outside of the Downtown. If you want a major upgrade it seems as though you're going to have to wait a while. If you start getting desperate and go cheap, you're going to end up with a short-term fix for a long-term issue.
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Yes, the election will be in 2015.

The city will have a site chosen and a design approved though, and assuming provincial funding is on board, the last piece of the puzzle would be the federal contribution.

I would therefore presume they would break ground in 2016. The city has already stated it would take two years to build. I therefore remain confident on my prediction of 2018.

I would then be 61 years old (or dead in my grave).
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You are correct. My mother lives in the Sira complex on Mapleton and supposedly Sira is building two new 100 unit apartment buildings, both to include underground parking. Date of completion unknown at this time. We've been trying to figure out if and where there will be an extension to these complexes, ie. will there be a connection from Hopper Street. Wonderful - more traffic in Moncton North (please note sarcasm).
Interesting note about this. Sira was before the GMPDC in their November meeting, seeking a variance to allow construction of residential buildings in a suburban commercial zone. One of the things they were looking for was a variance to exceed the height requirements for that zone in order to allow for an "architectural feature" for these buildings.

I wonder what this means and what this architectural feature is. If porchmouse is correct and these are two 100 unit buildings, they could be of significant height. The fact that underground parking is planned means to me that these could be significant buildings and not just wood and vinyl siding.
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from the editorial page of today's T&T

Downtown events centre: more than just a rink
Published Tuesday December 13th, 2011
by alan cochrane
Times & transcript staff

OK, so the Grinchy bean counters in Ottawa have decided Moncton can't have money from their big jar of jellybeans for a downtown events centre. Yes it is a kick in the gut just before Christmas but as the mayor and our MP say, Moncton can't give up on the idea.

The city had been working on this project since June of 2010 with PPP Canada to complete their application process, meeting all of the information requirements, eligibility criteria and deadlines. The city says it has spent about $100,000 on the application for funding and devoted more than 3,000 hours of senior staff and council time to make it happen. But, as we reported last week, the application was rejected with the explanation that there were just too many hands in the jellybean jar - to the tune of $24 billion in applications for a pot of $1.2 billion.

Mayor George LeBlanc says the rejection comes just as the city was about to finalize the actual site for the multi-events centre and more details on what it would look like. Those are two big questions that - once answered - could help generate more interest and excitement about the project. He's determined to move forward and the idea still has the support of Premier David Alward and MP Robert Goguen. That's encouraging in these days of high deficits and cost-cutting by governments.

Moncton has been struggling to get a downtown events or convention centre off the ground for years, but at the same time seen a lot of movement on other projects like the casino and the four-ice centre. Moncton is already known as a centre for shopping, entertainment, special events, conventions and trade shows. A new multi-events centre in the downtown would put the city in a new league, but there are many questions to be answered.

The biggest question is the location. Several sites have been looked at, with most speculation being the area around the Highfield Square shopping centre or another spot along East Main Street closer to the traffic circle. Whatever the location, it will have to be a piece of land big enough to accommodate the centre and parking areas, with close links to highways to allow for traffic flow in and out of the facility before and after events.

The second big question is basically what the facility would look like and what it would include. Many people in Moncton have used the word "rink," which conjures up an idea of simply a big ice surface with seats. But this facility should be much more.

It seems to me that a downtown multi-events centre should be a place that is busy all the time, not just on days when there are hockey games or other big events. That means the "rink" would be simply the centre of a much larger facility that would include retailers, services, galleries and unique attractions surrounding it. It should be a place where people could go for lunch, get their hair cut, maybe go to the gym for a workout or do some shopping. It should also have some kind of unique attraction that would draw people from other areas. We already know that people come to Moncton from all over New Brunswick, P.E.I. and Nova Scotia to go shopping and visit attractions like the museum, the zoo, Magic Mountain and the skateboard park. The downtown events centre should have something unique as well so it draws people and generates income for itself.

Property developers and business owners have been watching the situation closely, hoping for a way to benefit from the centre. But they will only wait for so long.

Critics of the project say it would be too big, too expensive and too dependant on local folks to support. Indeed, it's hard to imagine how many big events could be staged that would attract a crowd of 10,000 people willing to shell out big bucks for tickets.

Look at the online schedule for the Coliseum for the next couple of months and you'll find the Canadian Figure Skating Championships, comedian Jerry Seinfeld, an NHL Oldtimers game, the Fish Canada Workboat Canada trade show, the Atlantic Motorcycle and ATV show and the big Gala Expo for prom dresses.

At the same time, Moncton is already missing out on some events because the Coliseum is too small and outdated to host them. When they added the agrena buildings to the Coliseum in the 1970s, there were concerns that they would never be used. Those buildings are now hosting trade shows and special events all through the year and promoters love them. The big roll-up doors and wide-open rooms of the agrena complex make it possible to display big trucks, boats, motor homes and heavy equipment during trade shows. The agrenas have also been dressed up for many other occasions.

At the same time, Moncton has benefitted from the construction of the Magnetic Hill Concert Site, the 2010 Stadium and the Casino, which have resulted in big concerts, CFL games, international sporting events and appearances by entertainers Monctonians never thought they'd see in their home town.

These events drive the economy. According to Ben Champoux, director of community business development for the City of Moncton, tourism is worth over $385 million a year to the city. Conventions are a big part of that but so are the attractions of the zoo, the theatres, the museum, sporting events and entertainment. Of that $385 million, accommodations account for $56 million. Restaurants and bar sales account for $73 million. Spending on sports, recreation and culture accounts for $25 million. Clothing sales are worth $67 million and fuel sales are worth $65 million.

"When you add it all up, that's big, that's significant," says Mr. Champoux.

We can't predict the future, but if Mayor LeBlanc and others who believe in the dream of a downtown multi-events centre want to make it a reality, they will need to generate more interest and excitement. We need to see the drawings, the plans, the 3-D models to get a better idea of what it could be like. It must also be economically viable and something that will become a centrepiece of the community that is busy all the time - something much more than just a rink.

* Alan Cochrane is an editor-at-large with the Times & Transcript. His column appears each Tuesday. He can be reached by e-mail at [email protected].

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- It is of paramount importance that, at this critical point in time, the city move forward with optioning their preferred site for the events centre and releasing the detailed renderings of the project. These moves would galvanize interest amongst the citizenry and would also provide impetus for other developers to look at potential projects in areas adjacent to the proposed events centre. This alone would provide a big boost to the downtown.

The events centre is absolutely critical for the future of the core. There is a lot of potential in downtown Moncton but this potential is mostly unrealized. The downtown core was on deaths door in the early 1990's and although projects like the Capitol Theatre, the Marriott Hotel, the new city hall complex and the new courthouse have helped, the recovery of the downtown area is certainly far from complete. The events centre is the single most important project in revitalizing the downtown. Mayor LeBlanc realizes this, Premier Alward realizes this and so does MP Robert Goguen.

- The province is still on board and federal funding will come in some form; if not for the arena then perhaps for other components of the facility. If for example there is a convention component to the proposal, then federal funding should be available for this. The feds are partially funding convention centres in Halifax and Charlottetown and also provided funding for the new convention centre in Fredericton. Given this, it would be difficult to deny similar funding for Moncton. Also, the feds have been big on funding public transit projects around the country. The new Codiac Transpo garage and HQ on Millenium Blvd was built because of federal funding. If a downtown transit terminal were included in the events centre, the feds might partially fund this as well. Who knows what cultural funding might also be available from the feds.

- Yes, this project will get built. Now is certainly not the time to let momentum flag. Now is the time to start building public support for this project so that construction can start at the earliest possible date. As John Paul Jones famously said "damn the torpedos, full speed ahead!!!"
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I 100% agree with MonctonRad. The city needs to amp up public interest for the project by announcing the building site and releasing detailed renderings. The Events Center is vital to our downtown and its future, and I'm sure the city can overcome this obstacle much more quickly than we would assume.
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Why don't they start building it and force the feds to contribute. That's what they are doing in Quebec City. I am sure once they find the site and make all the plans and all that stuff it will be at least a year anyway. They can prepare the site and get everything ready and maybe by that time the Feds will be able to contribute. I am guessing it will be at least 2014 by that time. Maybe they can even get a small amount from the Feds in 2013 and a small amount in 2014. Spread out the cost. Just a thought.
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Why don't they start building it and force the feds to contribute. That's what they are doing in Quebec City. I am sure once they find the site and make all the plans and all that stuff it will be at least a year anyway. They can prepare the site and get everything ready and maybe by that time the Feds will be able to contribute. I am guessing it will be at least 2014 by that time. Maybe they can even get a small amount from the Feds in 2013 and a small amount in 2014. Spread out the cost. Just a thought.
If the only piece they are missing is the $25 million contribution from the Feds I don't see why they couldn't go ahead and start the project on time, and work on filling in the gap in the interim. Perhaps construction companies may not be willing to start such a massive project without the guarantee of funding?
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New Cafe Archibald location

I heard some interesting news tonight and wanted to pass it along. I'm not sure if anyone remembers P.I. Richard Meat Market that used to be in operation at 40 Milner Road. It was a great locally owned and operated meat market. My parents used to take me there when I was a kid when we lived in the neighbourhood. Don Richard passed away a few years back and the location was for sale (both the business and the beautiful home that was right next door).

I was told that the house will be turned into a new Cafe Archibald. Unsure of timeline or complete accuracy but given the look and feel of the house it makes complete sense, taking into consideration the atmosphere in both Cafe Archibald locations.

It would be nice to see more restaurants in that area given there are a few businesses and not too many places to eat (ie. the Fairmont Reservations centre, Lounsbury's, Toyota, Industrial Park tenants, etc). Yes there is Subway and McD's but this would be a nice alternative for the area.

I could only find a super tiny photo online so take a look using Google Street view - 40 Milner Road, Moncton.

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Great news if true! I used to play in that house as a kid as I was a friend of the Richard's son. It's just as beautiful inside.

Great location choice!
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Not worth copying, but construction numbers for the city were released yesterday. Right around 275,000,000 so far this year for Moncton, Riverview and Dieppe.
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I heard some interesting news tonight and wanted to pass it along. I'm not sure if anyone remembers P.I. Richard Meat Market that used to be in operation at 40 Milner Road. It was a great locally owned and operated meat market. My parents used to take me there when I was a kid when we lived in the neighbourhood. Don Richard passed away a few years back and the location was for sale (both the business and the beautiful home that was right next door).

I was told that the house will be turned into a new Cafe Archibald. Unsure of timeline or complete accuracy but given the look and feel of the house it makes complete sense, taking into consideration the atmosphere in both Cafe Archibald locations.

It would be nice to see more restaurants in that area given there are a few businesses and not too many places to eat (ie. the Fairmont Reservations centre, Lounsbury's, Toyota, Industrial Park tenants, etc). Yes there is Subway and McD's but this would be a nice alternative for the area.

I could only find a super tiny photo online so take a look using Google Street view - 40 Milner Road, Moncton.

Cheers,
Don't forget "Harry's Pizza" just opened next to Econolodge as well, same owner as Notre Dame Pizza in Notre Dame and the Harry's Pizza in the Moncton Market. Harry makes some yummy pizza...

Great news, if true, about Cafe Archibald.
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abridged from todays T&T

Four Schools to be Built in Metro

Construction of new facilities will begin in 2012, minister promises
By Aloma Jardine
Times & Transcript Staff

Construction of four new schools in Metro Moncton should begin next year.

Education and Early Childhood Development Minister Jody Carr tabled his department's $104-million 2012-2013 capital budget in the legislature yesterday.

In it, he announced four local projects will move from the design phase into construction in 2012, including the new Moncton High School, a new English-language K-8 school in Riverview, a new school to replace École Sainte-Bernadette in Moncton, and a new French-language K-8 school in Moncton's north end.

"It is good news," Carr says. "No matter what stage we are in, until people start seeing the building go up, they are still a little uncertain. I'm pleased that all four Moncton projects will be going ahead."

Carr expects planning and design work to be finalized over the winter months and construction to begin in the spring and summer.

All four schools were expected to open their doors to students in September 2013.

When asked if they would still be able to meet that target, Carr didn't say no, but he didn't give a firm yes either.

"Our commitment today is we are moving forward on these projects. With every project there are hurdles along the way. Our commitment is to build these in a timely fashion," Carr says.

The new Moncton High School is of particular concern. There hasn't been very much time to pull everything together to allow construction to go ahead.

Carr admits they have met a few stumbling blocks.

"There are always hurdles," he says. "We have been working with city officials on zoning and planning and all the issues that are required, but we are pushing forward to finish. Today what we've committed to is to move forward on the project and the school will be finished in a timely manner. There have been some issues with the city and some hurdles, but we will keep driving forward to have that school built."

The city wasn't particularly thrilled with the choice of locating the new high school at Royal Oaks, but Moncton Mayor George LeBlanc says they accept it is the province's call.

He says they are committed to making sure the school gets built as soon as possible.

"The number one issue is the welfare of these young students and that they have a safe and healthy learning environment," he says.

LeBlanc says the city is aware the province hopes to open the school within two years and says they have met several times with the province to point out some of the things that may stand in the way of that ambitious timeline.

For one thing, the parcel of land the school is to be constructed on needs to be rezoned in order for construction to go ahead.

LeBlanc says the province needs to provide the planning district commission with things like a traffic study and what infrastructure requirements there would be to support a school as well as the expected residential expansion a school will bring.

LeBlanc believes a deadline was set for today to have all that information submitted.

"It is my understanding that if they get all the information in... the deadline they've set for themselves is realistic," he says.

LeBlanc says there are also some significant infrastructure requirements that need to be addressed before construction can go ahead, things like extending water and sewer lines to the site, improving the road and building sidewalks.

"We want to make sure the taxpayers of Moncton aren't left carrying an unfair expense," he says. "Both (the Department of Supply and Services and the Department of Education) have assured me on more than one occasion that they won't let that happen."

The city is understandably hesitant after being left to cover those expenses when the new Northrop Frye School was built. LeBlanc says the city had to shift the priorities in its capital works budget in order to service the school. He says they don't want to be stuck in that position again.

LeBlanc says the city has had several discussions with the ministers of both departments to outline their concerns.

"The province has been very open to contributing to the costs of what needs to go there," he says, though no details have been hammered out.

"I think it is important that if the province is fair with the city in terms of assisting with the infrastructure costs that are out there, that would help the process along."

District 2 Education Council chairman Harry Doyle says he hasn't heard anything about a potential delay in construction, but says he wouldn't be surprised by such a turn of events.

"When I look at the extent of the project and we are just getting things organized in terms of lands, I would be lying if I told you I would be surprised by that," he says.

He would, however, be surprised if the Riverview school project didn't open in 2013. He says the school was originally scheduled to open in 2012, but when the new government took over they pushed the project back by a year.

"I would be very surprised and disappointed it they didn't manage (2013)," he says. "In Riverview the population is just going crazy in Riverview east. We really are on the wall."

Carr re-iterated the government's commitment to preserve the current Moncton High School building on Church Street during his speech yesterday.

District 1 Education Council chairman Ernest Thibodeau says they are happy to have it confirmed the new French-language school in Moncton north and a replacement for École Sainte-Bernadette are going ahead.

"We expected those projects would continue, but nothing was really sure," he says. Thibodeau says Sainte-Bernadette and the new school are still both expected to open in September 2013.

"If they wouldn't open for those times, it would be very problematic in Moncton," he says. "It is already overcrowded."

Thibodeau says the architectural plans for Sainte-Bernadette are in the works and the last he heard for Moncton north was that a tender had been put out to hire an architect.
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I heard some interesting news tonight and wanted to pass it along. I'm not sure if anyone remembers P.I. Richard Meat Market that used to be in operation at 40 Milner Road. It was a great locally owned and operated meat market. My parents used to take me there when I was a kid when we lived in the neighbourhood. Don Richard passed away a few years back and the location was for sale (both the business and the beautiful home that was right next door).

I was told that the house will be turned into a new Cafe Archibald. Unsure of timeline or complete accuracy but given the look and feel of the house it makes complete sense, taking into consideration the atmosphere in both Cafe Archibald locations.

It would be nice to see more restaurants in that area given there are a few businesses and not too many places to eat (ie. the Fairmont Reservations centre, Lounsbury's, Toyota, Industrial Park tenants, etc). Yes there is Subway and McD's but this would be a nice alternative for the area.

I could only find a super tiny photo online so take a look using Google Street view - 40 Milner Road, Moncton.

Cheers,
Just wanted to pass along a little bit more on this. This property was actually bought by a good friend of mine. The house is currently being renovated for a residential rental property for now and not a Cafe Archibald. The old Meat Shop behind the house is also available for rent. It's an awesome spot to re-open a butcher shop as it's all setup and ready to go.

I've been an avid reader of this forum It's nice to see that the city is booming and will hopefully continue to do so ....
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Just wanted to pass along a little bit more on this. This property was actually bought by a good friend of mine. The house is currently being renovated for a residential rental property for now and not a Cafe Archibald. The old Meat Shop behind the house is also available for rent. It's an awesome spot to re-open a butcher shop as it's all setup and ready to go.

I've been an avid reader of this forum It's nice to see that the city is booming and will hopefully continue to do so ....
Ahhhh sorry for the misinformation. Thanks for the clarification. I'm going to go yell at the person who relayed this info (j/k).

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Welcome to the forums Renus, don't be shy about making some input to the proceedings.

A quick observation about the new francophone school in the north end. Given it's location next to the new roundabout at Ryan/Horsman, I would expect that the city will fast-track the widening, curbing and sidewalk construction on Ryan between Horsman and Evergreen this summer. I also expect we will see the extension of Twin Oaks to the roundabout this summer as well, especially since this will border the new school property.

There will also have to be extensive roadwork in preparation for the new Moncton High School and for the new K-8 anglophone school in east Riverview.
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There will also have to be extensive roadwork in preparation for the new Moncton High School...
They have their work cut out for them as that is one dangerous road right now for pedestrians. It's as if there's no speed limits once you cross the TCH overpass. Just the other day driving to Irishtown Nature Park, the car infront of me stopped to turn into their driveway. I slowed and stopped behind them and without skipping a beat, the truck behind me and the van behind him very nearly took the ditch going around me (as if I were just a pothole) on the shoulder, going 90 easily.
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They have their work cut out for them as that is one dangerous road right now for pedestrians. It's as if there's no speed limits once you cross the TCH overpass. Just the other day driving to Irishtown Nature Park, the car infront of me stopped to turn into their driveway. I slowed and stopped behind them and without skipping a beat, the truck behind me and the van behind him very nearly took the ditch going around me (as if I were just a pothole) on the shoulder, going 90 easily.
You're right about the speeding on that road! I used to have a friend who lived out that way and I dreaded driving north of the TCH on that road. People tailgate when you're doing the speed limit and pass on solid lines. I remember one time a car passed me and five other cars in front of me on a double line one summer evening a few years ago. Apparently speed limits are not enforceable north of the TCH. If the RCMP want to catch speeders they should have a bunch of cruisers on that road all day. And road/weather conditions make no difference either there could be 4 inches of ice and drivers would still do 110km/h in a 70 zone on that road!

I don't know what the city will do to calm traffic but something will need to be worked out quickly before that new high school opens. Otherwise that is just a disaster waiting to happen!
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