The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 46

Vaillant · #**901** Posted **Nov 5, 2011, 3:20 AM**

The Montreal STM operates the third most heavily used urban mass transit system in North America, after the New York City Transit Authority, and the Mexico City Metro. As of 2011, the average daily ridership is 2,524,500 million passengers: 1,403,700 by bus, 1,111,700 by rapid transit and 9,200 by paratransit service.

what about other cities in Canada?

Travis007 · #**902** Posted **Nov 5, 2011, 3:28 AM**

More info on Toronto's new LRV streetcars and images here: http://lrv.ttc.ca/Meet_Your_New_Ride.aspx

caltrane74 · #**903** Posted **Nov 5, 2011, 4:43 AM**

Toronto's new streetcars look like Montreal's new subway cars. I have to assume that the new Eglinton subway will have a modified look based on the above pictorial shots posted above.

Rico Rommheim · #**904** Posted **Nov 5, 2011, 4:51 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vaillant

The Montreal STM operates the third most heavily used urban mass transit system in North America, after the New York City Transit Authority, and the Mexico City Metro. As of 2011, the average daily ridership is 2,524,500 million passengers: 1,403,700 by bus, 1,111,700 by rapid transit and 9,200 by paratransit service.

what about other cities in Canada?

really? 3rd? nooo, I don't buy it.

caltrane74 · #**905** Posted **Nov 5, 2011, 5:15 AM**

Well using the 2010 numbers for Toronto it appears to be right:

TTC operates the third most heavily used urban mass transit system in North America, after the New York City Transit Authority and Mexico City Metro.[2] As of 2010, the average daily ridership is 2.487 million passengers: 1,254,600 by bus, 285,600 by streetcar, and 948,100 by rapid transit.[3]

Wikipedia.org

MTLskyline · #**906** Posted **Nov 5, 2011, 5:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Rico Rommheim

really? 3rd? nooo, I don't buy it.

It is certainly in the top 5 at any rate.

Even Longueuil's bus system had 139,374 passengers per day in 2010 which is more than most mid-sized Canadian cities (although its only a matter of time before Mississauga's rapidly growing transit system overtakes Longueuil).

If Longueuil were an American city it would have the 21st busiest bus service in the country, ahead of Detroit, Phoenix, San Antonio, St. Louis, etc.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_local_bus_agencies_by_ridership

caltrane74 · #**907** Posted **Nov 5, 2011, 5:37 PM**

Toronto also has a smaller rapid transit system than Montreal and Vancouver. Of course the new Eglinton and Spadina lines will put us back in first in 5/10 years time. (40km) of new track underground and above ground.

Alexcaban · #**908** Posted **Nov 5, 2011, 10:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Toronto also has a smaller rapid transit system than Montreal and Vancouver. Of course the new Eglinton and Spadina lines will put us back in first in 5/10 years time. (40km) of new track underground and above ground.

Not so fast there, the STM is extending the blue, orange and yellow line and adding 20-25KM of track.

DrJoe · #**909** Posted **Nov 5, 2011, 10:20 PM**

The difference is so negligible I wouldn't say one is really ahead of the other. Either one could make the claim (which they seem to do) in any given year.

le calmar · #**910** Posted **Nov 5, 2011, 11:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Alexcaban

Not so fast there, the STM is extending the blue, orange and yellow line and adding 20-25KM of track.

I don't know if I will live long enough to see this with my own eyes though. It's great to see Toronto catching up on other cities. You can compare Toronto to NY or Chicago skyscraper-wise, but when it comes to transit you realize it's not playing in the same league at all. Given its size it would just be normal for TO to have a larger system than Montreal's.

Metro-One · #**911** Posted **Nov 5, 2011, 11:42 PM**

Even more odd that Vancouver, a metro only 40% the size, has more kilometers of rapid transit, and also note Vancouver was the last of the Canadian cities to start building a system, not bad at all

Of course Toronto does have its huge tram network.

And for the record starting next year we will be adding 11 km more to the skytrain network with the Evergreen Line (which will put us at 79.7 km of rail), and of course after that there is the likely the Broadway extension that will add several new km (around 10?) and the potential Surrey / Langley extension of the Expo line.

Currently skytrain has 406,000 daily riders as of Q2 2011. Not bad for a metro our size. I believe our daily transit ridership (including skytrain, buses, WCE, SeaBus) is well over a million, can find the 2011 numbers though.

And of course what I love about skytrain is the big city feel it gets being largely on elevated guideways now with significant portions of subway (primarily the Canada Line).

I am always so happy that Vancouver selected a grade separated mass transit system in the 1980s, just feels that much more big city IMO. And of course I have always enjoyed that automation as well.

caltrane74 · #**912** Posted **Nov 6, 2011, 12:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by Alexcaban

Not so fast there, the STM is extending the blue, orange and yellow line and adding 20-25KM of track.

Right now the systems have the same amount of track. In 5 years the Spadina line is finished, add 7. Four years later, add 31km.

jmt18325 · #**913** Posted **Nov 6, 2011, 1:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by le calmar

It's great to see Toronto catching up on other cities. You can compare Toronto to NY or Chicago skyscraper-wise, but when it comes to transit you realize it's not playing in the same league at all.

Sure...then compare it to other American cities. Toronto developed far faster than NY or Chicago in terms of size. It was never supposed to be as large as it turned out. That's why it has a comparatively small rapid transit system that now needs to be expanded.

jd3189 · #**914** Posted **Nov 6, 2011, 1:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by le calmar

I don't know if I will live long enough to see this with my own eyes though. It's great to see Toronto catching up on other cities. You can compare Toronto to NY or Chicago skyscraper-wise, but when it comes to transit you realize it's not playing in the same league at all. Given its size it would just be normal for TO to have a larger system than Montreal's.

I don't know about skyscraper-wise. After all, New York and Chicago have been doing this for years and were where the concept originated from. Maybe you can compare Toronto to Chicago,but the only way you can compare Toronto to New York is if you broke New York's skyline in half. Especially in the coming years.

caltrane74 · #**915** Posted **Nov 6, 2011, 3:43 AM**

Oh jeez, not this crap again. Just check the SSP Database for buildings under construction and get back, eh.

Buildings over 100 meters: Toronto 60, New York 18.

If those numbers are not right, please update the SSP Database.

Alexcaban · #**916** Posted **Nov 6, 2011, 4:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Right now the systems have the same amount of track. In 5 years the Spadina line is finished, add 7. Four years later, add 31km.

Well those 31KM, I'll believe it when i see it, how the hell is Toronto going to afford 8 billion in subway extensions. And its not really about the length that important its the ridership and the STM is spot on with that.

P Unit · #**917** Posted **Nov 6, 2011, 4:21 AM**

It's paid (insofar as any transit capital project is "paid for") for and shovels are in the ground. Barring a screwup of monumental proportions, the Eglinton line is a done deal.

The Chemist · #**918** Posted **Nov 6, 2011, 4:22 AM**

Those are some great looking streetcars for TO. Very modern, but still have the classic TO streetcar look at the same time.

nname · #**919** Posted **Nov 6, 2011, 9:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

Right now the systems have the same amount of track. In 5 years the Spadina line is finished, add 7. Four years later, add 31km.

Oh.. Let the rapid transit race begin...

Code:

	 TOR	 MON	 VAN	 CGY	 EDM
2011	68.3	69.2	68.7	46.0	20.5
2012	68.3	69.2	68.7	46.0	20.5
2013	68.3	69.2	68.7	56.9	20.5
2014	68.3	69.2	68.7	56.9	20.5
2015	76.9	69.2	79.6	59.4	23.8
2016	70.5	69.2	79.6	59.4	23.8
 ...
2020	70.5	69.2	79.6	59.4	23.8
2021	95.7	69.2	79.6	59.4	23.8

Planned	 116	  94	 119	 120	  79

The 2011-2021 section includes all the projects that are fully funded and/or currently under construction, and the km is the total length of track at Jan 1 of that year. I don't think any of the Montreal's project is currently funded or under construction. The planned section include everything that's on the drawing board (listed on the agency website with at least a preliminary routing). This one is pure estimation only - I may miss some, some lines may be added later, and some may not ever get build or may be built as BRT or "non-rapid" transit and they'll get removed from the total km. I can't read any French so I'll assume the Montreal projects are 25km long

I was planning to do Ottawa and the other new systems in planning, but I got tired after the first 5..

What's included:
2013 (C) W, NE ext; 2015 (T) Spadina ext (V) Evergreen (C) NW ext (E) N; 2016 (T) SRT disc; 2021 (T) Crosstown; Planned (T) Yonge, Sheppard E W ext (V) UBC, Guildford, Newton, Langley (M) 2 ext, 4 ext, 5 ext (C) NC, SE, downtown, NE ext, W ext, S ext (E) SE, W, NE ext, NW ext, S ext

Chadillaccc · #**920** Posted **Nov 6, 2011, 11:58 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname

Oh.. Let the rapid transit race begin...

Code:

	 TOR	 MON	 VAN	 CGY	 EDM
2011	68.3	69.2	68.7	46.0	20.5
2012	68.3	69.2	68.7	46.0	20.5
2013	68.3	69.2	68.7	56.9	20.5
2014	68.3	69.2	68.7	56.9	20.5
2015	76.9	69.2	79.6	59.4	23.8
2016	70.5	69.2	79.6	59.4	23.8
 ...
2020	70.5	69.2	79.6	59.4	23.8
2021	95.7	69.2	79.6	59.4	23.8

Planned	 116	  94	 119	 120	  79

The 2011-2021 section includes all the projects that are fully funded and/or currently under construction, and the km is the total length of track at Jan 1 of that year. I don't think any of the Montreal's project is currently funded or under construction. The planned section include everything that's on the drawing board (listed on the agency website with at least a preliminary routing). This one is pure estimation only - I may miss some, some lines may be added later, and some may not ever get build or may be built as BRT or "non-rapid" transit and they'll get removed from the total km. I can't read any French so I'll assume the Montreal projects are 25km long

I was planning to do Ottawa and the other new systems in planning, but I got tired after the first 5..

What's included:
2013 (C) W, NE ext; 2015 (T) Spadina ext (V) Evergreen (C) NW ext (E) N; 2016 (T) SRT disc; 2021 (T) Crosstown; Planned (T) Yonge, Sheppard E W ext (V) UBC, Guildford, Newton, Langley (M) 2 ext, 4 ext, 5 ext (C) NC, SE, downtown, NE ext, W ext, S ext (E) SE, W, NE ext, NW ext, S ext

What are the 119 kilometers planned for Vancouver? I know the evergreen is what expands it to 79.6... and the UBC line must be part of the "plan"... but that's only 13 km... what else? The Expo extensions can't be 106 km... are there secret plans to extend the skytrain to the North Shore? That would be awesome.