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Old Posted Jan 7, 2008, 4:58 PM
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I agree it's not an election-winning issue, but it will be a good bellwether for whether the Conservatives have a real national vision or if they are just a bunch of porkbarrellers trying to bring as much booty as they can back to their constituencies. There really is no argument to put this thing in Calgary whatsoever.

We shall see, eh?
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imho I don't think voters will change their vote based on a portrait gallery...who cares where it goes....it's not like it's the sci and tech museum.
The problem is we are creating a precedent. Once we establish bidding for national cultural institutions as federal policy, it is inevitable that the same will apply to the Science and Technology Museum, when it is finally decided to proceed with relocation.
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Old Posted Jan 7, 2008, 5:39 PM
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I saw on the news this weekend that Metcalfe and Slater was a proposed site for the Portrait Gallery...
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Hmm... interesting.
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Should it be located outside the National Capital Region, might I suggest it be re-named the Stephen Harper Memorial Pork Gallery?
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Any news from anybody here on Ottawa's pitch for this thing?
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Portrait Gallery of Canada an embarrassment

Jake Rupert - The Ottawa Citizen
Friday, January 18, 2008

One of Canada's leading cultural experts calls the Harper government's plan for the Portrait Gallery of Canada "a national embarrassment that makes us look like peasants on the international scene."

Former director of the National Gallery of Canada Shirley Thomson said the requirement that only private sector development firms can bid to build the gallery is an affront to all Canadians.

She said the she can't think of another country where such an important federal institution, such at the gallery, has been turned over to a private developer.

"It's a public cultural asset highlighting a rich public national history, and it should be a public building because its the responsibility of the state to safe guard our history and culture," she said.

"This is totally embarrassing for Canada. I'm appalled."

She feels the people of Canada should build, own and operate the gallery and by mandating that it be privately developed, the government is inviting unseemly or demeaning results, like the gallery playing second-banana to an office tower or condo project.

Others also dread a possible corporate naming.

"It's like saying our national institutions are up for sale, and it's wrong," said Capital Councillor Clive Doucet in a recent debate on the issue.

The gallery, which has been in the works for six years, was supposed to go into the former United States embassy building across the street from Parliament Hill, but the government cancelled that project last year, citing escalating costs.

Then last fall, it announced a competition to determine where the gallery will be located. The request for proposals is open ended. It describes the space needed and that it must be designed to suit a gallery. It states only privately owned or controlled development firms are allowed to bid on the project. However, a recent revision allows municipalities to also bid, but with Canada's major cities all experiencing financial woes, it's doubtful they can.

Control of the artifacts, displays and the gallery itself will remain with the Library and Archives of Canada of which it's part of.

Ottawa is competing with Vancouver, Halifax, Quebec City, Montreal, Toronto, Winnipeg, Edmonton and Calgary for the right to have the gallery.

The move has drawn criticism for pitting cities and regions against each other, and City of Ottawa officials feel that it's obvious that the gallery should located here along with the bulk of national institutions.

Josée Verner, Minister of Canadian Heritage, Status of Women and Official Languages responded by saying the government is practicing "open federalism.

"The argument that we cause an injustice to our historic portrait collection by even considering cities outside of Ottawa and Gatineau is ridiculous," she said in a statement.

Her spokesman, Andrew House, said yesterday the requirement for private sector bids is designed to save money.

"The process is designed to get maximum impact for every tax dollar spent by taking advantage of private sector support and experience," Mr. House said.

He said it would be an error to call the project a public-private partnership. He said the final agreement could see the government owning the building outright, leasing it, leasing it then buying it or a myriad of other arrangements.

The deadline for getting bids into the government was initially Feb. 16, but to give more time for suitors to prepare, it was recently extended to April 16. The government also decided that municipalities themselves could submit a proposal as developer for the gallery. The same conditions would apply to a city as with other prospective developers.

Ottawa Mayor Larry O'Brien requested the extension in a letter to government officials in order to allow a rumoured five Ottawa bids to be pulled together with city support.

Yesterday, his spokesman, Pat Uguccioni, said the mayor is pleased the deadline has been extended, but that the mayor maintains locating the gallery outside Ottawa is going cost tax payers $50 million extra over the course of 50 years.

In the letter, Mr. O'Brien said this on top of the $11 million already spent to get the former embassy ready to host the gallery.

"(The numbers) would seem to not only negate any potential savings through a public-private partnership in another city but also to significantly increase the cost for the taxpayers of Canada," the mayor said.

In the letter, he urged the federal government to open up the competition to federally owned downtown sites and buildings in Ottawa and Gatineau.

Jerry Grey, an artist and member of Friends of the Gallery, said she thinks there is a big role for the private sector to play in the gallery through endowments and donations but that having a private developers owning the building the gallery is in is not advisable.

"Federal institutions should wholly owned by everybody," she said. "I think the government made a mistake, and we are getting stuck with it."

Deborah Morrison, president of Canada's National History Society, said it would be better to have the gallery remain wholly public, but she said the government is not putting up the kind of funding need to keep historical and cultural institutions public.

Under the circumstances, she said she "thinks there's a role for the private sector to play as long as the preservation of history remains at the forefront of any project."

Liberal MP Mauril Bélanger said he has requested several times for an explanation behind the approach the government is taking to the gallery, he has received no response, and he suspects it's because there is no explanation.

"This is a collection that shows the history of this country and Canadians who played roles in that history, and they are proposing to have a private developers deeply involved in what happens to this collection," he said.

"It's the privatization of our heritage, and I think people who feel embarrassed about this are right to feel that way."

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Yeah I read that article and I was wondering if anybody had a scoop on the five rumoured bids... Maybe at the base of Charlesfort's proposal at bank and sunnyside?
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PS. the headline of that article is just all too fitting. Auctioning off Canadian heritage for 'maximum value' and forcing municipalities to cough up for national projects. Combined with the fact that this is all just a big whitewash for some Alberta-style porkbarrelling. I'm beginning to miss Jean...
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Jean Chretien was the man! Nothing EVER stuck to that guy.
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From now on I'm voting Liberal. They're all corrupt, but the libs do it in style...
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Yeah I read that article and I was wondering if anybody had a scoop on the five rumoured bids... Maybe at the base of Charlesfort's proposal at bank and sunnyside?
Looks like Charlesfort is one of them, but on Lisgar Street facing City Hall, not at Sunnyside. There is Claridge with that big parking lot next to Place Bell (a spectacular site). There is Brookfield with the Place de Ville IV site. The other ones I don't know.
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Old Posted Jan 21, 2008, 12:19 AM
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I am liking the sound of the Charlesfort bid already. How do you get the inside scoop on this stuff? Any renderings, by chance?
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I am liking the sound of the Charlesfort bid already. How do you get the inside scoop on this stuff?
I think Mille Sabords works at City Hall...or maybe he goes on vacation with Randall Denlay
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PS. the headline of that article is just all too fitting. Auctioning off Canadian heritage for 'maximum value' and forcing municipalities to cough up for national projects. Combined with the fact that this is all just a big whitewash for some Alberta-style porkbarrelling. I'm beginning to miss Jean...
Right, because only people who live in Ottawa are enititled to easy access to the nation's cultural treasures. God forbid that Ottawa would have to share with the rest of the country.
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Right, because only people who live in Ottawa are enititled to easy access to the nation's cultural treasures. God forbid that Ottawa would have to share with the rest of the country.
It's not about people in Ottawa having access to these museums. Ottawa is a tourist destination for people who want to learn about Canadian history, culture, and government. It's great to have all the museums in a single city so that people can travel here and learn about their country. I have no problem with other cities having cultural institutions, but national museums belong in the nation's capital. If I want to see oil execs in pink coyboy hats, topless female hockey fans, and a bunch of lilacs I'll go to Calgary. If I want to see a national museum or gallery, I'll come to Ottawa. Agree? Doubt it.
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I think Mille Sabords works at City Hall...or maybe he goes on vacation with Randall Denlay
How did you know that I vacation with Citizen columnists?
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I, for one, look forward to visiting Canada's EnCana National Portrait Gallery.
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It's not about people in Ottawa having access to these museums. Ottawa is a tourist destination for people who want to learn about Canadian history, culture, and government. It's great to have all the museums in a single city so that people can travel here and learn about their country. I have no problem with other cities having cultural institutions, but national museums belong in the nation's capital. If I want to see oil execs in pink coyboy hats, topless female hockey fans, and a bunch of lilacs I'll go to Calgary. If I want to see a national museum or gallery, I'll come to Ottawa. Agree? Doubt it.
Nothing says class like slagging another city based on your impressions garnered from a photo thread last summer.
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