The Bay Parkade Redevelopment | 315, 271, 239m | 80, 69, 68fl | Proposed

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by Bokimon

With the ridiculous amount of hotel rooms this project is proposing using uneven scalloped columnless floorplates I am kind of puzzled to the metrics of this supertall hotel tower where it is going to be 315m of what Residence Inn/Garden Inn and a Ritz/Waldorf at the upper portion holding 600+ rooms? Somebody must of been fudging up the performa to amp up the big wigs as I don't know any strictly supertall hotel builds in existence anywhere around the world.... Except the hotel of doom in North Korea.
Would of been better to assign the lower half a flagship hotel and the upper half lux residences with shared amenities, high tier clientele will probably be waiting eons for elevator rides from the top floors to get down.

I think a close comparable would be the Sheraton Wall Centre complex, which hosts a similar 3 towers, conference facilities, and clocking in at 742 rooms.

Certainly not easy, but not an unimaginable business case, considering that this location would be even more central and desirable, and with newer amenities and more unique amenities holding Vancouvers crown.

[madog222]

Given the umber of rooms I doubt Holborn would operate the hotel in house. My guess is IHG with an Intercontinental.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by madog222

Given the umber of rooms I doubt Holborn would operate the hotel in house. My guess is IHG with an Intercontinental.

Might they consider Westin? Their Melbourne hotel is a Westin (although under 300 rooms), and the Westin Bayshore, with 501 rooms is now the only Westn Downtown, and since Concord acquired it, is likely to be a redeveloped one day.

[madog222]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Might they consider Westin? Their Melbourne hotel is a Westin (although under 300 rooms), and the Westin Bayshore, with 501 rooms is now the only Westn Downtown, and since Concord acquired it, is likely to be a redeveloped one day.

Possible especially given the proposed event space but I'm assuming an operator would put a flagship brand given the building's prominence.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by madog222

Possible especially given the proposed event space but I'm assuming an operator would put a flagship brand given the building's prominence.

I guess there aren't many flagships that would want to try to operate 900 rooms. Assuming they actually build it, maybe they will split brands with upper and lower parts of the tower? If they don't go with an established brand, they have 2 in-house brands with Paradox and Aava, or they could opt for a new unique brand.

It's easy to speculate, and hard to think of a project that makes economic sense to incorporate the rezoning design and a single hotel operator, and of course, all we have so far is a rezoning, so really it's just uses, heights and massing. Vin seems convinced it's going to happen, so we'll just have to wait and see. As long as it isn't a Trump Hotel.

[officedweller]

Remember, as Bokiman mentioned, there are 2 hotel flags here with separate skylobbies
- short term up top and long term below, and common lobbies on P2 for valet and at street level.
Whoever goes in would have to have two compatible flags.


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/holborn-...e-redevelopment-approved#google_vignette

Here's the SkyTrain concourse level (P2 level) below grade
(note that it looks like free passage to Hudson's Bay Building outside faregates)
Note:
Green elevators are for Obersation deck (access from Level P1)
Beige elevators for Long Term stay.
Pink elevators for Short Tern stay.


https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applicatio...-692%20Seymour%20St/addendum-booklet.pdf

[GenWhy?]

Yo does that mean you could access the hotel reception right off the pedway if you took the train from the airport?

[madog222]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Yo does that mean you could access the hotel reception right off the pedway if you took the train from the airport?

Yes, but it's a bit of a circuitous route getting to Granville Station from the airport.
I suggest just walking the block from Vancouver City Centre station.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by madog222

Yes, but it's a bit of a circuitous route getting to Granville Station from the airport.
I suggest just walking the block from Vancouver City Centre station.

If the future HBC building redevelopment has a public connection between Granville and VCC it would make a lot of sense to just stay underground. Here's hoping!

[Migrant_Coconut]

Add an entrance to the VAG bus stop while we're daydreaming.

[chowhou]

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[AlessioSBT]

Someone working in the industry told me Holborn has no intention to build this. They are planning to wait for the market to improve and then sell the project to someone else and make money in the process.
I don't know this person personally so take this as it is (random person saying something).

[Glow Fun City]

Originally Posted by AlessioSBT

Someone working in the industry told me Holborn has no intention to build this. They are planning to wait for the market to improve and then sell the project to someone else and make money in the process.
I don't know this person personally so take this as it is (random person saying something).

The Bonnis approach

[csbvan]

Originally Posted by AlessioSBT

Someone working in the industry told me Holborn has no intention to build this. They are planning to wait for the market to improve and then sell the project to someone else and make money in the process.
I don't know this person personally so take this as it is (random person saying something).

Certainly raises the chances of this thing being built (and possible dumbed down)!

[Spr0ckets]

Originally Posted by AlessioSBT

Someone working in the industry told me Holborn has no intention to build this. They are planning to wait for the market to improve and then sell the project to someone else and make money in the process.
I don't know this person personally so take this as it is (random person saying something).

I mean,... I made the same prediction a couple of posts higher up, but to be honest, it doesn't take that much of a genius or a clairvoyant to work out that that's what the play is here.

Even in the best of market conditions, there's just too much risk involved in a project of this magnitude without considerable backing (both financial and experiential) and I just don't see either coming together on this one.

And as noted in the post before mine, we can literally see Bonnis running the exact same play in a couple of their project proposals in real time as we speak, just a few blocks away.

I'll be more interested to see who actually buys it from them and subsequently what their plans will be, just as I'm more interested now in seeing what Onni* does with the former Bay store and building next door.

(*....though I realize it will be a long while before we see any movement, or even a proposal on that front. But at least with them we know they're not just buying it to sit on it for a couple of years, submit a proposal and then sell on a couple of years later for a profit.)

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by AlessioSBT

Someone working in the industry told me Holborn has no intention to build this. They are planning to wait for the market to improve and then sell the project to someone else and make money in the process.
I don't know this person personally so take this as it is (random person saying something).

This is critical: was the person wearing an orange vest?

[bb1510]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

This is critical: was the person wearing an orange vest?

I too have heard someone say this. The individual wears a suit sometimes and is an UHNW, nine figure plus, individual in the industry

[hollywoodnorth]

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

This is critical: was the person wearing an orange vest?

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by chowhou

If the future HBC building redevelopment has a public connection between Granville and VCC it would make a lot of sense to just stay underground. Here's hoping!

The Vancouver Centre mall is a more direct route (vs Pacific Centre) via Hudson's Bay,
but a new branch could also be built directly from the Vancouver Centre under the street without HBC
(either from the mall or under Scotia Tower).

Ignore the red boxed unit.


Here's P1 of Vancouver Centre under Scotia Tower closer to the Seymour corner.


Side Note:
If you are wondering about the Vancouver Centre areas under Georgia St. in the NW corner,
that was the original passage between Pacific Centre and Vancouver Centre before the Canada Line Station entrance was built.
That former passage is now occupied by London Drugs. The mall used to be a big "U" with Birks/Bollum's Books/Duthie Books in the middle.

[Bokimon]

I can just imagine the proponents of this project are as greasy as the mega hotel resort developers in Las Vegas with several properties on gigantic lots holding thousands of rooms over a gigantic building like the Aria or Fontainbleau, or those who play the Bonnis type of game to sit and sell the sites over a number of years to simply cash in their profits with no intention of building anything which I am certain Vancity would probably not allow. Isn't a condition tied heavily to the construction of the low income housing tower nearby? So if they are all in with this proposal, I hope there is a magic rabbit that can be pulled out of their deep collective top hats and snag some huge hotelier or resort conglomerate that can actually provide a business case of making 900 hotel/long stay rooms work in DT Van including probably leveraging the adjacent condo towers to cushion as much costs as possible.